Agree. I play console.time to move on

I see, so the people who bought and supported the game on console long before the Next Gen came out should simply be abandoned? There's loyalty to a player base for you. They would most likely lose a lot of players if they did that, there's a lot of people out there on last gen who can't find, or afford, a next gen console. (I used to play on XB1 until I was lucky enough to get my hands on a Series X)

jtm1018 wrote: »

seebra wrote: »

I'm probably going to get some hate for this thread but ZOS should start considering dropping last generation consoles because it holds game back. I'm not saying that they should do it immediately
but holding them indefinitely is bad for pc users. When it happens we could start seeing big things happening such as new classes, animations, skill trees etc. High isle gave us TOT because of console limitations.

edit: Also to clarify this, I'm not blaming console users for this.

Are pc and console on the same server?

Does performance on console server greatly hampers pc server?

Do console and pc server cross play?

Cant they develop eso any further if they dont drop last gen console? Is that really the case? Did they officially said this? Like, "last gen console is dragging down eso, we cant develop eso any further if we dont cut off those last gen console"

Devs has said that it limits them. I'm at bed atm but I can search it tomorrow.

This isn't even a valid option as far as I'm concerned. Between the lack of available next gen consoles and the economy tanking I think it will be a year or two until it is.

FluffWit wrote: »

Hapexamendios wrote: »

This isn't even a valid option as far as I'm concerned. Between the lack of available next gen consoles and the economy tanking I think it will be a year or two until it is.

Ps5's finally widely available. And you can get an xbox for $250.

No, they're not. Not everywhere has the same situation.

seebra wrote: »

I'm probably going to get some hate for this thread but ZOS should start considering dropping last generation consoles because it holds game back. I'm not saying that they should do it immediately
but holding them indefinitely is bad for pc users. When it happens we could start seeing big things happening such as new classes, animations, skill trees etc. High isle gave us TOT because of console limitations.

edit: Also to clarify this, I'm not blaming console users for this.

I think, honestly, most would agree with you, but they aren't going to drop a sizeable portion of their money making playerbase.

Yes, this needs to happen at some point in the near-future.

Perhaps it's time to abandon consoles in general. This device has an expiration date like a phone: if you purchase a console, then be ready to change it as quickly as your mobile phone

Simple way to do it is not to release new chapter content on old consoles. They can keep playing the existing content but new content can take advantage of better systems.

I suspect the OP is also underestimating the number of PC players with older or lower spec machines. Relatively few people actually buy the best gaming machines available and most only upgrade them when they have to - when something stops working or they literally can't run a new game even on the lowest settings.

Apparently the Xbox Series X or PS5 is equivalent to a PC with an i5-9600 or Ryzen 7 3700X CPU and a Radeon RX6700 XT or Geforce RTX 3070 GPU. So basically bumping up the specs to match the newest consoles would make the game unplayable for anyone who didn't buy a good gaming PC in the last 2-3 years and it wouldn't surprise me if that includes a significant chunk of ESO's PC players.

I did buy a new PC earlier this year and even then the consoles are slightly better than it (i5-2600K CPU and RTX 3060 Ti GPU). That's not a coincidence - I already had a PS5 and didn't want to get a 4K monitor so I picked cheaper components that don't support 4K, but it's not like I had to go out of my way to do that, it's a recommended model from one of those custom build places. (I did swap out a few parts, but nothing relevant here, mostly changing the case to includen a disk drive and getting rid of some of the novelty lights.)

I suppose they could compromise and continue offering slightly lower specs on PC which are still an increase over the current minimum, but any change is going to exclude some people and ZOS may well decide keeping the game available to as many people as possible is more important than a different type of rebalancing.

Danikat wrote: »

IApparently the Xbox Series X or PS5 is equivalent to a PC with an i5-9600 or Ryzen 7 3700X CPU and a Radeon RX6700 XT or Geforce RTX 3070 GPU. So basically bumping up the specs to match the newest consoles would make the game unplayable for anyone who didn't buy a good gaming PC in the last 2-3 years and it wouldn't surprise me if that includes a significant chunk of ESO's PC players.

Yeah, PC MMOs tend to want to keep their system requirements down, because it gives them the widest pool of potential customers.

(I'm playing on a computer I built in 2020, on a budget. Ryzen 5 3600, RX 570. Runs ESO at 1080p, high, 60+fps. I'm pondering a GPU upgrade for this winter or next spring, depending on what/when AMD announces the RX 7600 models. Either that or a current RX 6650 XT, i.e. a bit less than a 3060 Ti.)

Another thing I forgot to mention is the disparity between active players and active subscribers. If they retire old consoles, they'd be dropping a lot of money per month in revenue from people who don't even play the game anymore. If you look at WoW numbers, they have 10x more subscribers than they do active players, I wouldn't be surprised if the proportion of players who are subbed on console vs the number players active is also largely different as well.

In a perfect world, it would be 1:1 subs to active players, if not a smaller number of subs to active players due to the f2p nature of the game, but I know someone who quit the game like 3-5 years ago but remained subbed until last year. I convinced him to log in and he had over a hundred thousand crowns. I wouldn't be surprised if there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of players like this.