Hint at where we are going next year?

Lumsdenml · November 2022

In Memorial Hall, after talking to everyone, I found a map up on the stage behind Lady Arebelle. It seems to have a staple (or something) right where Whiterun should be.

Bat · November 2022

I also took notice of this, but figured it's just a part of the easel clipping through from the backside as these are two separate assets.

Lumsdenml · November 2022

Yeah, could be nothing, or intentional... Guess we'll find out!

FeedbackOnly · November 2022

Say it with me, it's bosmer's turn

Vrienda · November 2022

Eastern Morrowind and Black Marsh were teased this DLC. Neither of which I’m excited for. The former because ZOS are likely to avoid/water down the more controversial aspects of Morrowind like slavery (I’d half expect the plot to be about us getting the Telvanni to give it up and join the Pact, naturally with the pro-slavery elements having a secret organisation/cult with some scheme to rule/destroy the world.) and the latter because Argonians are the most boring race in the game to me and Murkmire/Shadowfen are my two most hated zones in the game.

I’m hoping for Hammerfell around the Taneth area since I enjoyed 2014’s depiction of Redguards quite well but I’d be okay with Whiterun.

Ultimately we know the plot will involve helping/being betrayed by the rulers and fighting some secret organisation or cult who plan to rule/destroy the world as told over an “epic” year long adventure. So I guess setting doesn’t really matter outside of what art assets we want to see more of.

ArchMikem · November 2022

Wouldn't this be considered speculation of unconfirmed content? The new policy was broken in record time.

SammyKhajit · November 2022

Please let it be the Redguard or the Bosmer. Sammy cannot stand another season of icy weather 🥶

Kingsindarkness · November 2022

Call me crazy, but I honestly think they are going to split the locations this time between Morrowind and Blackmarsh...

I think they want to do something world-spanning.

ArchangelIsraphel · November 2022

ArchMikem wrote: »

Wouldn't this be considered speculation of unconfirmed content? The new policy was broken in record time.

Kevin actually clarified this in a thread regarding the subject. We are allowed to speculate and discuss future possibilities. What we are not allowed to do is post actual evidence of these theories that come from outside sources, such as datamines that ZOS themselves has not published. This screenshot would not count under that category as it was deliberately placed in the game for all eyes to see as a sanctioned hint, if it is a hint at all.

barney2525 · November 2022

Is this speculating?

we need to incorporate Atlantis into this game.

FlopsyPrince · November 2022

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Wouldn't this be considered speculation of unconfirmed content? The new policy was broken in record time.

Kevin actually clarified this in a thread regarding the subject. We are allowed to speculate and discuss future possibilities. What we are not allowed to do is post actual evidence of these theories that come from outside sources, such as datamines that ZOS themselves has not published. This screenshot would not count under that category as it was deliberately placed in the game for all eyes to see as a sanctioned hint, if it is a hint at all.

For now. The policy is very flexible and can mean what they want it to mean. I am sure he means well, but that doesn't mean it will always be applied that way. Not that they couldn't carry out bans anyways, so I am not sure the exact value of the policy. Probably some legal aspect someone decided was important.

Though I wonder how many are excited about "what is next" now versus a year or several ago.

Grizzbeorn · November 2022

Personally, I'd love to see Whiterun (and more Skyrim, in general [Nords are my people]), but I think it's too soon; Western Skyrim and the Reach weren't that long ago.

I think it's more likely that either it'll be a region we haven't visited [via new content] in a while, such as Morrowind, which brings to mind the Telvanni peninsula, or a spot on the map that hasn't been explored yet (e.g., as it was with the Bretons this year, it could be time for the Redguard or Bosmer to have their day in the sun).

Kappachi · November 2022

I think it's finally about time we finish off Skyrim and have it all available to explore, so the middle part of skyrim including Whiterun, though I guess it'd exclude Falkreath Hold since we already have that zone in a dungeon.

FluffyBird · November 2022

Kappachi wrote: »

I think it's finally about time we finish off Skyrim and have it all available to explore, so the middle part of skyrim including Whiterun, though I guess it'd exclude Falkreath Hold since we already have that zone in a dungeon.

If they make one more chapter leeching off nostalgia and make it Skyrim again so soon after DHoS, I'm out.

Beilin_Balreis_Colcan · November 2022

Kappachi wrote: »

I think it's finally about time we finish off Skyrim and have it all available to explore, so the middle part of skyrim including Whiterun, though I guess it'd exclude Falkreath Hold since we already have that zone in a dungeon.

We're still missing a big chunk of Skyrim from The Throat right up north to Winterhold. The Throat would be good, perhaps with an extra nasty frost troll partway up as a world boss

And Winterhold would be pre-Great Collapse, so should be bigger than in ES 5.

Sythen88411 · November 2022

Dark elf time when?

fizzylu · November 2022

FluffyBird wrote: »

If they make one more chapter leeching off nostalgia and make it Skyrim again so soon after DHoS, I'm out.

Yeah, I was disappointed we didn't get Whiterun in Greymoor, it was my favorite city in The Elder Scrolls V.... but I'd hate to see them take us back to Skyrim so soon. Andddd I can't help doubting ESO would manage to do it justice anyway so hahahahaaaa

TaSheen · November 2022

Sythen88411 wrote: »

Dark elf time when?

Never would still be too soon for me.

Finedaible · November 2022

Whiterun was the most boring aspect of Skyrim in my opinion, and there's been enough of milking Skyrim's curdled milk.

tinythinker · November 2022

I wouldn't mind more dunmer and saxhleel material if it takes us to an interesting place with the narrative and does very well with the zone design.

Janni · November 2022

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Wouldn't this be considered speculation of unconfirmed content? The new policy was broken in record time.

Kevin actually clarified this in a thread regarding the subject. We are allowed to speculate and discuss future possibilities. What we are not allowed to do is post actual evidence of these theories that come from outside sources, such as datamines that ZOS themselves has not published. This screenshot would not count under that category as it was deliberately placed in the game for all eyes to see as a sanctioned hint, if it is a hint at all.

For now. The policy is very flexible and can mean what they want it to mean. I am sure he means well, but that doesn't mean it will always be applied that way. Not that they couldn't carry out bans anyways, so I am not sure the exact value of the policy. Probably some legal aspect someone decided was important.

Though I wonder how many are excited about "what is next" now versus a year or several ago.

Agreed. This policy is the sort of thing that is entirely to the benefit of the company and how it can be interpreted is left very deliberately loose. For some reason video game companies in particular absolutely hate when they don't have an iron fist clutching over all aspects of their press release.

Katheriah · November 2022

Vrienda wrote: »

Ultimately we know the plot will involve helping/being betrayed by the rulers and fighting some secret organisation or cult who plan to rule/destroy the world as told over an “epic” year long adventure. So I guess setting doesn’t really matter outside of what art assets we want to see more of.

I'm still hoping they're ditching that format. It's just... Not doing it for me.

ArchangelIsraphel · November 2022

Janni wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Wouldn't this be considered speculation of unconfirmed content? The new policy was broken in record time.

Kevin actually clarified this in a thread regarding the subject. We are allowed to speculate and discuss future possibilities. What we are not allowed to do is post actual evidence of these theories that come from outside sources, such as datamines that ZOS themselves has not published. This screenshot would not count under that category as it was deliberately placed in the game for all eyes to see as a sanctioned hint, if it is a hint at all.

For now. The policy is very flexible and can mean what they want it to mean. I am sure he means well, but that doesn't mean it will always be applied that way. Not that they couldn't carry out bans anyways, so I am not sure the exact value of the policy. Probably some legal aspect someone decided was important.

Though I wonder how many are excited about "what is next" now versus a year or several ago.

Agreed. This policy is the sort of thing that is entirely to the benefit of the company and how it can be interpreted is left very deliberately loose. For some reason video game companies in particular absolutely hate when they don't have an iron fist clutching over all aspects of their press release.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in support of this policy at all and highly disagree with its implementation and how loosely it can be interpreted, I just wanted the OP to know that, for now, its okay to post a thread like this. I for one am a big supporter of datamines and piecing together evidence to discover what the next Charpers will be, so I'm sad that I can no longer come to the official forums for that. It really was part of the hype for me. I'll have to go to Reddit now.

ArchMikem · November 2022

Katheriah wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

Ultimately we know the plot will involve helping/being betrayed by the rulers and fighting some secret organisation or cult who plan to rule/destroy the world as told over an “epic” year long adventure. So I guess setting doesn’t really matter outside of what art assets we want to see more of.

I'm still hoping they're ditching that format. It's just... Not doing it for me.

Think about it though, what else is there? The Questline HAS to have a big bad, so it's either a Mortal Cult/Organization, or a Daedric Entity. Otherwise, would people pay for content where everything was pretty peaceful? No conspiracies or plots, not much fighting. I don't say this as an insult this time but most people have short attention spans, and need big bads to keep interested.

Katheriah · November 2022

ArchMikem wrote: »

Katheriah wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

Ultimately we know the plot will involve helping/being betrayed by the rulers and fighting some secret organisation or cult who plan to rule/destroy the world as told over an “epic” year long adventure. So I guess setting doesn’t really matter outside of what art assets we want to see more of.

I'm still hoping they're ditching that format. It's just... Not doing it for me.

Think about it though, what else is there? The Questline HAS to have a big bad, so it's either a Mortal Cult/Organization, or a Daedric Entity. Otherwise, would people pay for content where everything was pretty peaceful? No conspiracies or plots, not much fighting. I don't say this as an insult this time but most people have short attention spans, and need big bads to keep interested.

You can write an awesome story without making it feel like the same baddie in a different coat.

I loved Orsinium, Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood. All you need is a compelling story. Don't we all have regional quests and sidequests that we enjoyed?

Also I personally hate the fact that it's spread over a full year and then glued together like it's supposed to be 1 story.

I_killed_Vivec · November 2022

I asked a well known character what he was up to next and he told me he had a job to do in Black Marsh.

I hope not, can't stand the marshes

Luke_Flamesword · November 2022

Half of Blackwood zone was about Argonians and marshes, so I don't think that they will back to it too soon. They need to change themes to avoid feeling of giving us same thing again and Tamriel is diversed enough to keep at least 3-4 years cycles of returning themes.

Personally I think that most likely they will make Hammerfell or Telvanni Pennisula, because it's some time to fill some regular blanks in map and maybe some years later we wil get crazy, unexpected adventure in new regions.

Finedaible · November 2022

ArchMikem wrote: »

Katheriah wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

Ultimately we know the plot will involve helping/being betrayed by the rulers and fighting some secret organisation or cult who plan to rule/destroy the world as told over an “epic” year long adventure. So I guess setting doesn’t really matter outside of what art assets we want to see more of.

I'm still hoping they're ditching that format. It's just... Not doing it for me.

Think about it though, what else is there? The Questline HAS to have a big bad, so it's either a Mortal Cult/Organization, or a Daedric Entity. Otherwise, would people pay for content where everything was pretty peaceful? No conspiracies or plots, not much fighting. I don't say this as an insult this time but most people have short attention spans, and need big bads to keep interested.

It is incredibly narrow writing brought on by the likes of Marvel plots which require a big bad. Wrothgar did it best by having a villain with morally ambiguous goals. A great villain is often one you can partially identify with. Thieves' Guild dlc didn't even have a main villain per-say, it was more about the adventure and the people you get to know as you find out who betrayed the guild, but then it left it entirely up to the player what to do with that information at the end; it was brilliant. Even Murkmire had better writing where you could actually sympathize to an extent with the antagonist.

Amphithoe · November 2022

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Say it with it's bosmer's turn

Yes please!

I've been thirsting for a Bosmer-themed chapter for ages.

Cadbury · November 2022

Finedaible wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Katheriah wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

Ultimately we know the plot will involve helping/being betrayed by the rulers and fighting some secret organisation or cult who plan to rule/destroy the world as told over an “epic” year long adventure. So I guess setting doesn’t really matter outside of what art assets we want to see more of.

I'm still hoping they're ditching that format. It's just... Not doing it for me.

Think about it though, what else is there? The Questline HAS to have a big bad, so it's either a Mortal Cult/Organization, or a Daedric Entity. Otherwise, would people pay for content where everything was pretty peaceful? No conspiracies or plots, not much fighting. I don't say this as an insult this time but most people have short attention spans, and need big bads to keep interested.

It is incredibly narrow writing brought on by the likes of Marvel plots which require a big bad. Wrothgar did it best by having a villain with morally ambiguous goals. A great villain is often one you can partially identify with. Thieves' Guild dlc didn't even have a main villain per-say, it was more about the adventure and the people you get to know as you find out who betrayed the guild, but then it left it entirely up to the player what to do with that information at the end; it was brilliant. Even Murkmire had better writing where you could actually sympathize to an extent with the antagonist.

I agree with you, but...

Marvel/DC/Superhero movies still make bank at the box office, despite people complaining at their simplistic plots. It's easy to see how a writer could be inspired by that. Why work hard on a plot when a straightforward good-vs-evil story line will suffice?

FlopsyPrince · November 2022

Katheriah wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Katheriah wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

Ultimately we know the plot will involve helping/being betrayed by the rulers and fighting some secret organisation or cult who plan to rule/destroy the world as told over an “epic” year long adventure. So I guess setting doesn’t really matter outside of what art assets we want to see more of.

I'm still hoping they're ditching that format. It's just... Not doing it for me.

Think about it though, what else is there? The Questline HAS to have a big bad, so it's either a Mortal Cult/Organization, or a Daedric Entity. Otherwise, would people pay for content where everything was pretty peaceful? No conspiracies or plots, not much fighting. I don't say this as an insult this time but most people have short attention spans, and need big bads to keep interested.

You can write an awesome story without making it feel like the same baddie in a different coat.

I loved Orsinium, Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood. All you need is a compelling story. Don't we all have regional quests and sidequests that we enjoyed?

Also I personally hate the fact that it's spread over a full year and then glued together like it's supposed to be 1 story.

Its what you get when you rely on the income of an upgrade sale each year, with DLC packs, as in the current approach.

Changing would likely throw off their current business model, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for something different. The business end usually drives most companies.