I forget who it was but someone suggested that piercing cold could proc bleed damage for that additional buff that ice staffs get for a melee weapon (bow maybe? I'm just spitballing) so stam wardens could take advantage of it as well, but weird to religate an entire passive to only staff wielders of a class.

I think what you don’t understand is that this game isn’t about “play how you want” it’s “play how ZOS wants you to” and what ZOS wants is a blanket slate that’s easier to balance.

So they removed class identity and build diversity in an effort to make everyone run the same thing so they don’t have as much to balance.

Welcome to eso man, your class will get destroyed and have it’s core identity changed ever other update. You get used it. [snip]

[edited for minor bashing]

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

I forget who it was but someone suggested that piercing cold could proc bleed damage for that additional buff that ice staffs get for a melee weapon (bow maybe? I'm just spitballing) so stam wardens could take advantage of it as well, but weird to religate an entire passive to only staff wielders of a class.

It shouldn't be linked to any weapon at all though no /class/ passive (or skill) should require a weapon. It's why there's different skill lines for weapons and classes.

The highest damage setup is still useing no arena wep right? It’s rele + pillar with kilt and monster helm no? If that’s still the case then it really doesn’t matter what your back bar is… I.e you could run bow/2h/destro and I think the dps difference between them would be very small

cuddles_with_wroble wrote: »

dmnqwk wrote: »

I just did a quick test on the trial dummy and I was at 100k. U34 and 35 I was at... 100k (fairly cosistently 99k to 101k) I don't think there's much of a change except for seeing 155% crit dmg max hahaha.

The point being that I don't think Stamden damage went massively downhill with the changes and I haven't altered gear from last patch - still rele/nirn/kilt/kjalnir.

I'd like to know why a 10% bonus for Ice staff is worth using over dual wield - Considering your spammable must become silver shards (which is worse than rapid strikes) and you have no execute/aoe anymore. I think it's overreacting to worry about stamden being weakened from previous patch.

You might think your still at 100k but they buffed dps on the dummy by about 30 ish % so your actually parsing around 25-30% lower than you were in update 34, but like I said the dummy got changed so you can’t really tell. Sneaky huh?

This is misleading.

I am fully aware of how everybody lost damage and the dummy gained to compensate, that's old news. I am referring to how I maintained my damage on the dummy after the loss (meaning I am aware I went down around 20% damage in real world targets).
My point was that post dummy buff and global nerf U35, I parsed 100k. Yesterday, after Firesong U36 - I still parsed 100k. Firesong didn't really affect my Stamden in a way other think it affected them. I kept the same, meaning I wasn't becoming relatively weaker unless all the other classes got a buff (which they did not, especially Templar).

I parse about 100k for 3 classes - Stamblade, Stamden and I added StamDK recently. So between the three I maintain about the same damage. In real world tests I do about 50k on bosses for those, plus 45-50k for Magplar, Stamcro and Stamsorc. It's only anecdotal, but I want to stress how empathically I do not believe Stamden is struggling simply because of Firesong changes.

Regarding the 'identity' issue - I have played an Oakensoul bleed build for fun because outside of Shalks being the wrong damage type for both sides of the coin (Magicka and Stamina) I think our bleed damage has been cemented well.
Also, emphatically, I don't believe class identity needs to exist around a damage type. Ice is a defensive type in ESO, not an offensive one. ZOS trying to pander to the 'I wanna be an ice mage' crowd is fine, until it impacts on my tanking with Ice. Then I will fight vigorously and vociferously to shut it down to protect my own interests - as anybody would.

Ice is for tanking, stop trying to ruin ice for tanks with the suggestions of 'we need a new staff'. We do not, Ice is fine as part of the destruction options!

Magden was weakest DD in game, so ZOS showed some love to it. Stamden is far from strongest, but it isn`t weakest DD in game. Thats why they didn`t make anythink for stam den.

No class passive should mandate a weapon type. Just like no weapon passive should require a specific class.

It's fine for a class passive to affect damage of certain weapons (like Sorcerer getting 5% more lightning damage, or DK with extra fire damage). It's also fine for a weapon passive to affect class skills (like Winter's Revenge getting more chilled procs from Elemental Force). These provide build synergy without creating severe limitations.