The primal role of pts is testing new content to find game breaking bugs. Yes, a lot still got through but if you’re reading through all patch notes you’d notice that it’s their main focus and they fix quite a lot. If your bug report went unnoticed you have all rights to be angry as it’s unpaid job you doing out of passion so it’s understandable.

When it comes to balance changes you can only blame the other players who constantly complain about something op or push for certain changes on this and other forums, at least this is what i saw. Frost for wardens was pushed for years by few individuals who spammed several threads every pts cycle on how to make frost a thing for competitive content, well here ya go. Sorcerers were op in high isle patch so they were nerfhammered like many previous op classes in other updates, not even that hard tbh as i still find it pretty strong and enjoy playing it in both pvp and pve. Countless sets were introduced in op state and then nerfed to the ground a few months later after the complaints. Personally, I stopped caring long ago and just roll with what is fun and/or effective rather than making a long post on why my favorite class should be buffed. It’s always hard to tell whether something will be heard or ignored, but I wouldn’t let my hopes up for something that biased as combat balancing to be looked over possibility of completing quests, dungeons, obtaining certain items or outright crashing and glitching. It never was a focus of a pts as it’s a space for free testing on bugs, new features and possibility of completion dungeons and quests with certain parameters.

What_In_Tarnation wrote: »

Well, they didn't even bother to fix purge yet in months and now dk is also bugged with their damage output, I'm really afraid to play my dk dd right now cause it's probably counted as exploited in zos' eyes

I was looking for a thread about this, I would have thought someone might have mentioned it already because it's extremely broken right now. And yes, accidentally exploiting with this is a consideration, so it sucks not to be able to use these characters.

me_ming wrote: »

It's sad that after all these years, ZoS are still listening to players who barely test anything on the PTS. Meanwhile, people who actually DO test stuff are being ignored. If that isn't nonsense, I don't know what is. Personally, I think the greatest years of ZoS was when they were listening to players who logged in to PST and actually tested these things. Not just their mere observations and opinions, but actually have numbers to show.

[Minor edit for bait.]

But it is true. I don't know many people that actually use the PTS to test. They use it to see the new content so they can blitz through it then complain after it launches that there isn't enough to do. It's the same as with the Diablo 4 Beta. Hardly anybody is looking for bugs or issues. Then those will be the same ppl, like here, that take the to the forums and complain about bugs after it launches.

I remember a time when people actually took getting into a closed beta, or using PTS as actual time to help the game and find actual problems. Now it's all for stream views to be the first to finish content upon release.

Rasande_Robin wrote: »

Zenimax are listening!
Just not to you.

There's been a person high-jacking almost every thread about making wardens great ice-mages and the wish has gotten through.

So you see they are listening... I just wished they didn't.

I guess I don't understand the downside of using Ice Staves on wardens? As a Magden main this is all I ever wanted. The passive was largely unimportant before, and now we get a boost for using ice. It didn't really feel right shooting fireballs with a staff when Winter's Revenge was a main DoT skill.

Cadbury wrote: »

NettleCarrier wrote: »

Rasande_Robin wrote: »

Zenimax are listening!
Just not to you.

There's been a person high-jacking almost every thread about making wardens great ice-mages and the wish has gotten through.

So you see they are listening... I just wished they didn't.

I guess I don't understand the downside of using Ice Staves on wardens? As a Magden main this is all I ever wanted. The passive was largely unimportant before, and now we get a boost for using ice. It didn't really feel right shooting fireballs with a staff when Winter's Revenge was a main DoT skill.

I believe some are a bit disappointed that the devs tried to give those who use frost staffs a buff to their viability. I think they feel Magden as a whole was largely ignored in favor of a niche play-style (I know some people were happy with Frost staff being used for tanking).
Edit: This is just my impression of the situation, of course.

Personally, I feel it was a nice gesture from the devs to boost frost damage viability.

I see it as an interesting attempt at it ... but it also does give a bit of the feeling of being railroaded into a specific style, and some people rebel against that. My warden is a single bar dual wield sword and dagger..... and a werewolf
The ONLY frost spell I use is Arctic blast, so that I can engage in Ruffian from my weapon line .... but I also only play overland with him.....

I have thought about using an ice staff, as he is a Nord, and cold magic could work for that.... but haven't really gotten that far with it, and I like having him travel with the Wolf from Solitude, and ride the large wolf..... and yes, I use the Packmaster version of Werewolf.

I will see how it works out, but I also understand that there are those that don't like being stuck with one method that is better than others, as they feel it precludes things.

And, since I also play an Imperial Necro that front bars an Ice Staff, there is a bit of .. damn, I wish I had that bonus here, thing going on.

Auldwulfe

Rasande_Robin wrote: »

There's been a person high-jacking almost every thread about making wardens great ice-mages and the wish has gotten through.

So you see they are listening... I just wished they didn't.

To be fair, even those players that wanted Frost Mages to be more viable left a good bit of feedback on numerous PTS threads saying that tying a Warden's passive to an Ice Staff would be bad. I don't believe I've read one post that said the current implementation of Piercing Cold was good.

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

me_ming wrote: »

It's sad that after all these years, ZoS are still listening to players who barely test anything on the PTS. Meanwhile, people who actually DO test stuff are being ignored. If that isn't nonsense, I don't know what is. Personally, I think the greatest years of ZoS was when they were listening to players who logged in to PST and actually tested these things. Not just their mere observations and opinions, but actually have numbers to show.

[Minor edit for bait.]

But it is true. I don't know many people that actually use the PTS to test. They use it to see the new content so they can blitz through it then complain after it launches that there isn't enough to do. It's the same as with the Diablo 4 Beta. Hardly anybody is looking for bugs or issues. Then those will be the same ppl, like here, that take the to the forums and complain about bugs after it launches.

I remember a time when people actually took getting into a closed beta, or using PTS as actual time to help the game and find actual problems. Now it's all for stream views to be the first to finish content upon release.

While I don't disagree that a lot of players use the PTS for the wrong reasons, the fact is that the PTS forum has had lots of feedback threads running to many pages throughout this year, especially from the AwA update onwards. Unfortunately, pretty much all that feedback has been ignored including very little in the way of communication.

Well the company running the show is not known for successful games, the opposite in fact.

BasP wrote: »

Rasande_Robin wrote: »

There's been a person high-jacking almost every thread about making wardens great ice-mages and the wish has gotten through.

So you see they are listening... I just wished they didn't.

To be fair, even those players that wanted Frost Mages to be more viable left a good bit of feedback on numerous PTS threads saying that tying a Warden's passive to an Ice Staff would be bad. I don't believe I've read one post that said the current implementation of Piercing Cold was good.

Yeah but we're great scapegoats for people angry at zos's implementation of piercing cold.

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

This is not okay.

Pigeonholing Wardens into Ice Staffs over their vigorous objections.

I've been playing Warden for a long time, it's my main. Warden has been stripped of whatever made Warden well... Warden. I stopped paying attention to all the changes they continue to toss at it and I just play it as a lore character. I'm a Breton Druid who can do it all. Thats it, ZOS can't take that from me.

NettleCarrier wrote: »

Rasande_Robin wrote: »

Zenimax are listening!
Just not to you.

There's been a person high-jacking almost every thread about making wardens great ice-mages and the wish has gotten through.

So you see they are listening... I just wished they didn't.

I guess I don't understand the downside of using Ice Staves on wardens? As a Magden main this is all I ever wanted. The passive was largely unimportant before, and now we get a boost for using ice. It didn't really feel right shooting fireballs with a staff when Winter's Revenge was a main DoT skill.

So they couldnt isolate that to magicka only? Stamdens got wrecked. My stamden ww tank is very unhappy.