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You Ignored EVERY piece of U36 PTS Feedback
acastanza_ESO
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This is not okay.
Pigeonholing Wardens into Ice Staffs over their vigorous objections.
Ignoring actual PVPers feedback on how poorly thought our Emperor Scaling was
Constant feedback that magicka focused Sorcerers needed serious adjustments that aren't just "moar pets".
Ignoring our feedback about PVP breaking sets that still need to be adjusted (Ward).
You clearly aren't listening to your player base. This kind of disrespect comes from the very top. Shame on you ZOS. Shame.
Edited by acastanza_ESO on November 1, 2022 6:13PM Pigeonholing Wardens into Ice Staffs over their vigorous objections.
Ignoring actual PVPers feedback on how poorly thought our Emperor Scaling was
Constant feedback that magicka focused Sorcerers needed serious adjustments that aren't just "moar pets".
Ignoring our feedback about PVP breaking sets that still need to be adjusted (Ward).
You clearly aren't listening to your player base. This kind of disrespect comes from the very top. Shame on you ZOS. Shame.
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Kingsindarkness✭✭✭✭✭I dunno...I think that's a bit over the top, but in saying that I was disappointed at the lack of engagement on the PTS server forums, and the overall bugginess of this patch launch.
When this stuff happens it really highlights that ESO is the number two game and what ever they are currently working on is the priority.25 -
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✭acastanza_ESO wrote: »This is not okay.
Pigeonholing Wardens into Ice Staffs over their vigorous objections.
Ignoring actual PVPers feedback on how poorly thought our Emperor Scaling was
Constant feedback that magicka focused Sorcerers needed serious adjustments that aren't just "moar pets".
Ignoring our feedback about PVP breaking sets that still need to be adjusted (Ward).
You clearly aren't listening to your player base. This kind of disrespect comes from the very top. Shame on you ZOS. Shame.
Your forum profile says you joined in 2013. You've been here long enough to know how it goes.ZeniMax has no obligation to correct any errors or defects in the Services.
Greetings! We've closed this thread due to its non-constructive nature.
"You know you don't have to be here right?" - ZOS_RichLambert27 -
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✭✭They didn't ignore my feedback.
There was a very well thought out suggestion about emperor scaling feedback and how things had to change, they didn't ignore that person's feedback.Edited by Dr_Con on November 1, 2022 6:59PM3 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
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You either accept it or move on. It's never going to change."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."12 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, reading them I was like, "Wow, this is just a copy/paste of the Week 3 notes."
The purpose of the PTS becomes less and less clear with every successive patch as less and less feedback is being responded to.
It's basically just a place to see how the new costumes look on your character and to preview furnishing items.39 -
Ghaleb✭✭✭✭✭It is what it is.
You either accept it or move on. It's never going to change.
No offense to you. But isn't that a sad statement in any kind of relationship (customer - company, partner - you, friend - you, etc) to make?
But I agree to your statement unfortunately. I for one am still waiting for the promised U35 Q&A. Talked to my daughter about the Toothfairy today. I'll add the mythological animal of Q&A to it, as we'll probably never see it.42 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm surprised anyone still plays on the PTS, the tone for engagement was set with the feedback on the AwA changes earlier in the year, and compounded by the non-existent Q&A on the combat changes since then.34 -
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »
It was my feedback on how things should be. Glad they noticed a great idea when it was presented. Just doing my service to the player base.
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✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »
Probably their constant "everything is fine" nonsense.
They changed literally nothing in response to any feedback.Edited by acastanza_ESO on November 1, 2022 7:13PM18 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm surprised anyone still plays on the PTS, the tone for engagement was set with the feedback on the AwA changes earlier in the year, and compounded by the non-existent Q&A on the combat changes since then.
I think most people who play on the PTS nowadays either just want to see the new stuff (new zone, new story, new items, etc.) or they want to see how their characters DPS will change.
But there's also probably a minority of players who log onto PTS who believe their feedback will make a difference."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."11 -
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✭✭I'm surprised anyone still plays on the PTS, the tone for engagement was set with the feedback on the AwA changes earlier in the year, and compounded by the non-existent Q&A on the combat changes since then.
I think most people who play on the PTS nowadays either just want to see the new stuff (new zone, new story, new items, etc.) or they want to see how their characters DPS will change.
But there's also probably a minority of players who log onto PTS who believe their feedback will make a difference.
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✭✭acastanza_ESO wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »
Probably their constant "everything is fine" nonsense.
They changed literally nothing in response to any feedback.
Hey, it wasn't nonsense.2 -
MagicalLija✭✭✭✭✭As a warden main (2000 hours+) I really never liked winter's embrace. It always felt like rushed and just that they ran out of ideas. Wardens have always felt more based on nature and animals rather than nature/animals and then also frost for some random reason.
Sticking us into suffering with a 2% damage bonus unless we use a staff which is fairly clunky in my opinion and which attacks are way too boring and stale when compared to lightning or inferno.
But whatever, ZoS love changing everything every 2 weeks so yk im sure at some point we'll get another change which you know might be enjoyable to play with.6 -
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✭✭✭✭I'm surprised anyone still plays on the PTS, the tone for engagement was set with the feedback on the AwA changes earlier in the year, and compounded by the non-existent Q&A on the combat changes since then.
I gave up on PTS once they required a separate purchase for PC to access it. As a console player, I had wanted to see things earlier and give feedback. Doesn’t seem like it’s really listened to, so that turned out to be no big deal.4 -
me_ming✭✭✭✭✭It's sad that after all these years, ZoS are still listening to players who barely test anything on the PTS. Meanwhile, people who actually DO test stuff are being ignored. If that isn't nonsense, I don't know what is. Personally, I think the greatest years of ZoS was when they were listening to players who logged in to PST and actually tested these things. Not just their mere observations and opinions, but actually have numbers to show.
[Minor edit for bait.]Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on November 1, 2022 8:00PM"We're heroes, my boon companion, and heroes always win! Let that be a lesson to you."
-Caldwell, "The Final Assault"
"There is always a choice. But you don't get to choose what is true, you only get to choose what you will do about it..."
-Abnur Tharn, "God of Schemes"]20 -
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✭✭✭✭✭My experienced-based perception is that the initial PTS patch notes look stunningly like the final product that goes to the live server - despite tons of sound feedback from very dedicated, experienced players during the PTS cycle. I know that sounds rather pessimistic but that perception could quickly be changed with reasonable engagement, explaining visions and admitting/undoing bad ideas.PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo10 -
Kendric5✭✭✭Frost for Warden sucks since the frost staff taunts and the damage seems to suck from frost.5
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✭✭✭Builds that land on PTS are Beta versions which means a focus on quality. Only minor tweaks are done at this point.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/40067469/what-is-the-difference-between-alpha-and-beta-release
https://gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/75809/what-is-the-difference-between-an-alpha-and-a-beta-release/75817
Changes might not land on PTS for 3-6 months after they are greenlit.
For example, Matt Firor proposed Battleground Weekend events on January 12. They were announced on June 23 by Gina Bruno, landed on PTS in mid-July, and released to Live servers as part of Update 35 in August. Roughly 6 months to PTS and 7.5 months to Live.
There are benefits to taking it slow but the wait that players must endure is often not enjoyable.PC NA3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »Yeah, reading them I was like, "Wow, this is just a copy/paste of the Week 3 notes."
The purpose of the PTS becomes less and less clear with every successive patch as less and less feedback is being responded to.
It's basically just a place to see how the new costumesw look on your character and to preview furnishing items.
Yup! That’s what I do. (I also like to check out new houses.)
Ever since they took stealth away from Bosmers, I have been very pessimistic about the pts and giving feedback. It’s so rare they listen.10 -
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✭✭danthemann5 wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »This is not okay.
Pigeonholing Wardens into Ice Staffs over their vigorous objections.
Ignoring actual PVPers feedback on how poorly thought our Emperor Scaling was
Constant feedback that magicka focused Sorcerers needed serious adjustments that aren't just "moar pets".
Ignoring our feedback about PVP breaking sets that still need to be adjusted (Ward).
You clearly aren't listening to your player base. This kind of disrespect comes from the very top. Shame on you ZOS. Shame.
Your forum profile says you joined in 2013. You've been here long enough to know how it goes.
2013 is .... 9 years 😂 it's 2022 how long you gotta be on here for your opinion to count?15 -
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✭acastanza_ESO wrote: »This is not okay.
Pigeonholing Wardens into Ice Staffs over their vigorous objections.
Ignoring actual PVPers feedback on how poorly thought our Emperor Scaling was
Constant feedback that magicka focused Sorcerers needed serious adjustments that aren't just "moar pets".
Ignoring our feedback about PVP breaking sets that still need to be adjusted (Ward).
You clearly aren't listening to your player base. This kind of disrespect comes from the very top. Shame on you ZOS. Shame.
ZOS needs to stop balancing and start playing their own game.
That being said I strongly recommend to stop testing their PTS server.
That will force them to change the way they are delivering the balance changes to us. Instead of putting all the balance changes in one DLC they will start delivering them biweekly as patch increments. Also they will have more time to play the live game and feel the change by themselves instead of playing on the test servers.
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✭✭✭I'm surprised anyone still plays on the PTS, the tone for engagement was set with the feedback on the AwA changes earlier in the year, and compounded by the non-existent Q&A on the combat changes since then.
I played on PTS. It was dead. Some times I saw another guildie but that was always for parsing.
Nobody seems happy with the new DLC. Remember when IC, Orsinium and Thieves Guild dropped? When we got actual new stuff...14 -
NettleCarrier✭✭✭✭✭Frost for Warden sucks since the frost staff taunts and the damage seems to suck from frost.
The frost staff doesn't taunt and hasn't in a long time, the taunt function was moved to one morph of the weapon ability so accidental taunts via frost staff wardens are not really an issue.GM of Gold Coast Corsairs - PCNA19 -
warich✭✭✭MagicAndrej wrote: »As a warden main (2000 hours+) Sticking us into suffering with a 2% damage bonus unless we use a staff which is fairly clunky in my opinion and which attacks are way too boring and stale when compared to lightning or inferno.
But whatever, ZoS love changing everything every 2 weeks so yk im sure at some point we'll get another change which you know might be enjoyable to play with.
It honestly just feels like a slap in the face to us. They rationalized all the hybrid changes to us with "play how you want" but that sentiment can't currently apply to wardens since we lose 5/10% of a passive for having the 'wrong' weapon equipped.
It just feels bad but what does it matter anymore? At this point I just want wardens to be on par with other classes, and for the shalks bug on Taleria to be fixed.5 -
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✭What are the DPS numbers looking like for magicka wardens wielding frost staves as opposed to those who aren't as well as opposed to stamina wardens?
Is it really that far ahead?Edited by BloodyStigmata on November 2, 2022 4:59AMOwner and proprietor of the Northern Elsweyr Guar Reserve and The Hunting Grounds Guar Reserve, Tamriel's home to all things guar.See the embedded brochures for all information regarding our reserves, as well as our collection status!1 -
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✭We sent in a plethora of information for U35 for it to be ignored. Prior to that I used to go to PTS and submit reports after playing. Not wasting my time again. U35 was the last straw, I don't use PTS any more. If they don't listen to the overwhelming majority of players on PTS, what is the point?31
