Really need to fix NB or tone down some of the Vet Content

TheAmu · May 2014

Only fellow NBs understand. If you have a class which is designed to be a DPS then they should have abilities that allow us to kill foes before they can even touch us. That's the idea. We deal damage.

Now, maybe the designers looked at the NB and thought, hang on. If we actually give our DPS class the ability to deal some proper damage, they will be way too powerful in PvP. So they buffed up every other class.

Meanwhile, NBs are sneaking about, launching themselves at a target in what they think is a cunning surprise attack, and finding that they basically just poked a dragon with a toothpick.

Bromburak · May 2014

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Its only DKs and Sorcs saying there isn't a problem. The biggest problem for NBs is lack of AoE damage.

And the biggest strength of a NB is single target dps in the fastest time of all classes.

Thats exactly how you should play , picking single targets and kill them real quick while the DK stands there still getting hit hard by all of the mobs because AOE dps takes longer to get all the mobs down.

However, the biggest problem are those players that think they need to solo Vet Content with AOE. In general this strategy is a pretty bad idea because it wont work for most of the High vet content no matter what class you are.

Anyway good luck with that!

Tavore1138 · May 2014

Getorix wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Getorix wrote: »

Suck it up wow kiddies.

Forest or frost troll?

Do you even know what a troll is?

We finally have an mmo that has a small degree of difficulty outside of raiding and the wow kiddies are already screaming nerfs, and its only going to get worse as more and more of them enter the horrible NIGHTMARE! that is vet levels.

And if you'd read the title of the thread or the thread itself you'd realise it is people doing VR content talking about their experiences & the well known fact that for people who rolled NB a lot of the abilities are bugged... not in need of buffing, just in need of working as intended.

And if you had understood that much you'd have realised that widespread nerfing is not what is being asked for but the fixing of broken things in the game so that a damaged class can compete with those, like yours, that work as intended.

A poster of good intent would get that and comment accordingly, a troll would make smart alec comments aimed to get a rise - thus why I named you as one.

Squishy · May 2014

Just for info, I play a Sorcerer. True that if I keep spamming CC and crystal, yeah, sure it works... but it is freaking boring as hell, and it does not stop me from dying, as mobs with immunity to snare/CC usually one or two shot me. So, I tried modifying the build, I added pets, vampire abilities, restoration staff and their abilities... it seems that the only near viable option for sorcerer is crytal + CC non stop... not really play as I want there I'm afraid

.

I then tried to have the vamp drain and the poisonous mist form, the 2 sorc pets (twilight restores my health when I get too low, assuming that worthless thing does not die before me

), and the electric form AOE thingy. In ultimate, either the bats + invisibility, which is useless as far as not taking damage goes, since everyone, mobs included can hit me while in that form (the point of being invisible being...?), or the Dark magic shield thingie(I'm quite terrible with names

), now this one, is a lot more usefull, assuming the mobs are not immune to CC. And yet, a group of 3/4 mobs is quite bloody deadly, unless my ultimate is nearly charged at the beginning of the fight.

So yes, it can be done, obviously since I am nearly done on the story of all 3 alliances, my point being, it is too hard, since we no longer seem to have a freedom on how we want to play. Either, we have to go with the only near viable option available, or we're forced to wait 30 minutes+ to find someone to group with, hoping he/she actually know how to play his/her class.

I... want... to solo, without dying every 2 minutes. That's hardly worth being called a Wow kiddie.

I was part of eve-online, until it became too big for my liking (hell, that was a 2nd job I was paying for :S). I finished TSW within the first week (and by that, I mean all the stories and content, including achivements that were working, minus the grinding ones which bored me)without the need to group, with a build that was so special, I was directly responsible for the first nerf in TSW (passives no longer procing on certain effects, and synergies having a hidden CD's and no longer stacking HOT's), this was done with the Dev knowledge, and me explaining how my built worked as a volunteer, on the test server.

I played SWG (as a wookie entertainer, unarmed, wearing no armor even after the "patch"), until near it's end, COH as a controller (gravity/storm), only controller to my knownledge able to immobilize (only for about 1.5 seconds though) and teleport world bosses (yes, it could be done if you did your maths right with enhancements), MXo (I was nicknamed Freddy Krugger due to my special talent of emptying entire zones of npc's , before all the bodies disappeared).

In Teso, so far, to my knowledge, I was the first person to make a guide on how to break/disrupt/kill bots, which as far as I'm concerned, is a bloody achivement.

I was also the person, if you were there, that managed to calmly get 100 players to back away from those non spawning portals in coldharbour, so we could actually move forward ^_^.

I played Wow, for 3 days, and never looked back.

So sir, about your comment:

Getorix:4:40PM
Suck it up wow kiddies.

I certainly hope that was not aimed at me, because that does hurt my feelings,and you sir, shall have no sweetrolls from me

.

I take pride in my gaming, and I take pride in being one of a kind in any games I play online.

Up to RK1, it was douable, some exotic builds could be done, and were more or less viable. In RK1, it is no longer the case, hence, it needs to be toned down.

Otherwise, we might as well get templates of skills assigned to us as soon as we reach RK1. We could also all be forced to wear the inventory consuming disguise we get for levelling up, so we all look the same too?

pmn100b16_ESO · May 2014

Bromburak wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Its only DKs and Sorcs saying there isn't a problem. The biggest problem for NBs is lack of AoE damage.

And the biggest strength of a NB is single target dps in the fastest time of all classes.

Thats exactly how you should play , picking single targets and kill them real quick while the DK stands there still getting hit hard by all of the mobs because AOE dps takes longer to get all the mobs down.

Can you explain your NB rotation that takes down 4 mobs 1 at a time whilst staying alive? Not saying it can't be done. I can just about do it at vr2, not sure how it will go at vr5+. Anyway, you seem like you know what you're talking about concerning NBs so am interested in your skill rotation. Thanks.

Getorix · May 2014

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Getorix wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Getorix wrote: »

Suck it up wow kiddies.

Forest or frost troll?

Do you even know what a troll is?

We finally have an mmo that has a small degree of difficulty outside of raiding and the wow kiddies are already screaming nerfs, and its only going to get worse as more and more of them enter the horrible NIGHTMARE! that is vet levels.

And if you'd read the title of the thread or the thread itself you'd realise it is people doing VR content talking about their experiences & the well known fact that for people who rolled NB a lot of the abilities are bugged... not in need of buffing, just in need of working as intended.

And if you had understood that much you'd have realised that widespread nerfing is not what is being asked for but the fixing of broken things in the game so that a damaged class can compete with those, like yours, that work as intended.

A poster of good intent would get that and comment accordingly, a troll would make smart alec comments aimed to get a rise - thus why I named you as one.

What reality do you live in? The title of the thread is "Really Need to Tone down the Vet Content" Now if the title was "Nightblade abilities are broken and need to be fixed" you would be atleast right about one thing, but it doesn't and youre not.

I agree that nightblade abilities need to be fixed asap but im not going to sit back and watch people who try to solo 3 vet mobs at once in leather armor and a 2hander call for content to be nerfed to conform to their ignorance.

And ive never made a post just to get a rise out of anybody, im just easily annoyed by stupid people.

Getorix · May 2014

Squishy wrote: »

Just for info, I play a Sorcerer. True that if I keep spamming CC and crystal, yeah, sure it works... but it is freaking boring as hell, and it does not stop me from dying, as mobs with immunity to snare/CC usually one or two shot me. So, I tried modifying the build, I added pets, vampire abilities, restoration staff and their abilities... it seems that the only near viable option for sorcerer is crytal + CC non stop... not really play as I want there I'm afraid .

I then tried to have the vamp drain and the poisonous mist form, the 2 sorc pets (twilight restores my health when I get too low, assuming that worthless thing does not die before me ), and the electric form AOE thingy. In ultimate, either the bats + invisibility, which is useless as far as not taking damage goes, since everyone, mobs included can hit me while in that form (the point of being invisible being...?), or the Dark magic shield thingie(I'm quite terrible with names ), now this one, is a lot more usefull, assuming the mobs are not immune to CC. And yet, a group of 3/4 mobs is quite bloody deadly, unless my ultimate is nearly charged at the beginning of the fight.

So yes, it can be done, obviously since I am nearly done on the story of all 3 alliances, my point being, it is too hard, since we no longer seem to have a freedom on how we want to play. Either, we have to go with the only near viable option available, or we're forced to wait 30 minutes+ to find someone to group with, hoping he/she actually know how to play his/her class.

I... want... to solo, without dying every 2 minutes. That's hardly worth being called a Wow kiddie.

I was part of eve-online, until it became too big for my liking (hell, that was a 2nd job I was paying for :S). I finished TSW within the first week (and by that, I mean all the stories and content, including achivements that were working, minus the grinding ones which bored me)without the need to group, with a build that was so special, I was directly responsible for the first nerf in TSW (passives no longer procing on certain effects, and synergies having a hidden CD's and no longer stacking HOT's), this was done with the Dev knowledge, and me explaining how my built worked as a volunteer, on the test server.

I played SWG (as a wookie entertainer, unarmed, wearing no armor even after the "patch"), until near it's end, COH as a controller (gravity/storm), only controller to my knownledge able to immobilize (only for about 1.5 seconds though) and teleport world bosses (yes, it could be done if you did your maths right with enhancements), MXo (I was nicknamed Freddy Krugger due to my special talent of emptying entire zones of npc's , before all the bodies disappeared).

In Teso, so far, to my knowledge, I was the first person to make a guide on how to break/disrupt/kill bots, which as far as I'm concerned, is a bloody achivement.

I was also the person, if you were there, that managed to calmly get 100 players to back away from those non spawning portals in coldharbour, so we could actually move forward ^_^.

I played Wow, for 3 days, and never looked back.

So sir, about your comment:

Getorix:4:40PM
Suck it up wow kiddies.

I certainly hope that was not aimed at me, because that does hurt my feelings,and you sir, shall have no sweetrolls from me .

I take pride in my gaming, and I take pride in being one of a kind in any games I play online.

Up to RK1, it was douable, some exotic builds could be done, and were more or less viable. In RK1, it is no longer the case, hence, it needs to be toned down.

Otherwise, we might as well get templates of skills assigned to us as soon as we reach RK1. We could also all be forced to wear the inventory consuming disguise we get for levelling up, so we all look the same too?

I feel sorry for all of you people that took the whole "You can play any way you want" gimmick seriously, but people who have been around awhile knew it was either meant very loosely or it was just a sales pitch. It is not viable and will never be viable in any mmo ever.

That doesn't mean everything is cookie cutter, that is why we have such a small selection of skills we can have at our disposal at one time, im always swapping skills in and out for different situations.

Nerfing content to cater to people who have any build they want will only lead to a boring joke of a game even worse than our current selection of post wow mmos.

And if you only played wow for 3 days and I didn't quote you when I made the wow kiddies remark why on earth would you think I was refering to you.

Tavore1138 · May 2014

Getorix wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Getorix wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Getorix wrote: »

Suck it up wow kiddies.

Forest or frost troll?

Do you even know what a troll is?

We finally have an mmo that has a small degree of difficulty outside of raiding and the wow kiddies are already screaming nerfs, and its only going to get worse as more and more of them enter the horrible NIGHTMARE! that is vet levels.

And if you'd read the title of the thread or the thread itself you'd realise it is people doing VR content talking about their experiences & the well known fact that for people who rolled NB a lot of the abilities are bugged... not in need of buffing, just in need of working as intended.

And if you had understood that much you'd have realised that widespread nerfing is not what is being asked for but the fixing of broken things in the game so that a damaged class can compete with those, like yours, that work as intended.

A poster of good intent would get that and comment accordingly, a troll would make smart alec comments aimed to get a rise - thus why I named you as one.

What reality do you live in? The title of the thread is "Really Need to Tone down the Vet Content" Now if the title was "Nightblade abilities are broken and need to be fixed" you would be atleast right about one thing, but it doesn't and youre not.

I agree that nightblade abilities need to be fixed asap but im not going to sit back and watch people who try to solo 3 vet mobs at once in leather armor and a 2hander call for content to be nerfed to conform to their ignorance.

And ive never made a post just to get a rise out of anybody, im just easily annoyed by stupid people.

The subject of the OP was all about NB problems with the content as have the more interesting posts been too.

I am going to be interested to see if my DW NB will be able to survive 3+ mobs once the abilities are fixed, as the PvE content is meant to be able to be done solo and some of it HAS to be done solo then it is important that all classes have the requisite abilities to be able to take on the generic 2/3 mobs without dying very often.

I did take the point in your other post that play as you wish does not mean you can stroll into a VR mob with your shriven clothes and an iron sword and expect not to die fast but with decent level appropriate crafted gear and a solid (but not necessarily perfect) build a player should be able to cope - simply for the long term health of the game's income stream if nothing else.

For the record I have never played WoW.

Bromburak · May 2014

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Can you explain your NB rotation that takes down 4 mobs 1 at a time whilst staying alive? Not saying it can't be done. I can just about do it at vr2, not sure how it will go at vr5+. Anyway, you seem like you know what you're talking about concerning NBs so am interested in your skill rotation. Thanks.

I actually play like Griffith but without vamp skills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5p1DsAW4Ro

Squishy · May 2014

Getorix wrote: »

I feel sorry for all of you people that took the whole "You can play any way you want" gimmick seriously, but people who have been around awhile knew it was either meant very loosely or it was just a sales pitch. It is not viable and will never be viable in any mmo ever.

Then it's a scam, selling a product under false advertising. Up to RK1, it was fine though as far as I'm concerned.

Getorix wrote: »

That doesn't mean everything is cookie cutter, that is why we have such a small selection of skills we can have at our disposal at one time, im always swapping skills in and out for different situations.

So did TSW, same restrictions, but a fairly huge amount of abilities that could be picked, and it worked very nicely.

Getorix wrote: »

Nerfing content to cater to people who have any build they want will only lead to a boring joke of a game even worse than our current selection of post wow mmos.

Not if they don't follow the SOE way of doing things. Some builds really need a nerf, as they're way too easy to play. I'm trying DK/imperial at the moment, and it's is ridulously easy so far, compared to equivalent content as a sorc, this one can nearly be played with my eyes closed :S.

I think they really need to look at the classes again, and nerf some of them, then nerf the difficulty of the VT mobs, so it gets roughly as tough for everybody.

The alternative, would be to open all class skills to everyone. So we can truly mix and match things.

Getorix wrote: »

And if you only played wow for 3 days and I didn't quote you when I made the wow kiddies remark why on earth would you think I was refering to you.

Your comment was just after mine, and since I'm part of the crowd that truly believes the diffculty needs to be nerfed down, I felt included in that. So if it was not aimed at me, fine then, you may have a sweetroll

. You did however, quoted nobody, and kept it just like this, so it is hard to know who you're referring to

.

Getorix · May 2014

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Getorix wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Getorix wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Getorix wrote: »

Suck it up wow kiddies.

Forest or frost troll?

Do you even know what a troll is?

We finally have an mmo that has a small degree of difficulty outside of raiding and the wow kiddies are already screaming nerfs, and its only going to get worse as more and more of them enter the horrible NIGHTMARE! that is vet levels.

And if you'd read the title of the thread or the thread itself you'd realise it is people doing VR content talking about their experiences & the well known fact that for people who rolled NB a lot of the abilities are bugged... not in need of buffing, just in need of working as intended.

And if you had understood that much you'd have realised that widespread nerfing is not what is being asked for but the fixing of broken things in the game so that a damaged class can compete with those, like yours, that work as intended.

A poster of good intent would get that and comment accordingly, a troll would make smart alec comments aimed to get a rise - thus why I named you as one.

What reality do you live in? The title of the thread is "Really Need to Tone down the Vet Content" Now if the title was "Nightblade abilities are broken and need to be fixed" you would be atleast right about one thing, but it doesn't and youre not.

I agree that nightblade abilities need to be fixed asap but im not going to sit back and watch people who try to solo 3 vet mobs at once in leather armor and a 2hander call for content to be nerfed to conform to their ignorance.

And ive never made a post just to get a rise out of anybody, im just easily annoyed by stupid people.

The subject of the OP was all about NB problems with the content as have the more interesting posts been too.

I am going to be interested to see if my DW NB will be able to survive 3+ mobs once the abilities are fixed, as the PvE content is meant to be able to be done solo and some of it HAS to be done solo then it is important that all classes have the requisite abilities to be able to take on the generic 2/3 mobs without dying very often.

I did take the point in your other post that play as you wish does not mean you can stroll into a VR mob with your shriven clothes and an iron sword and expect not to die fast but with decent level appropriate crafted gear and a solid (but not necessarily perfect) build a player should be able to cope - simply for the long term health of the game's income stream if nothing else.

For the record I have never played WoW.

I play a dk and I do not stroll into three mob packs and just destroy them, if I see theres 3 mobs I have to think. And I definitely put away my 2hander and pull out my shield.

Nightblade bugged abilities aside, if you have appropriate gear and know how to play your class you will be fine in vet levels. People who don't know their abilities and their synergies (ex. what ability dazes a mob and which ability exploits that daze) are going to have a hard time, and personally I find it very refreshing to see that small increase in difficulty return to mmos.

If you charge into three vet mobs in full leather armor swinging a 2hander with a bar full of aoes youre probably going to die, and you should.

Mackeh · May 2014

Idrinkwhatibrew wrote: »

You say it is a "Play as you want" game. Well I'm sure there will be many people on here saying "learn to play your class", "learn to play". blah blah blah. Well I'm VR3 atm almost VR4 and I can tell you for a Night Blade the Vet content is hard. I played DK and Sorc in beta and decided since it was "play as you want", I would make a Heavy NB. Well I can tell you I've spent literally over 100K on respecs, just since i hit VR1 alone. I've tried medium armor, light armor, heavy armor. I'm maxed in all class abilities, I'm maxed in all weapons minus resto staff, so yes I've tried them all. It is almost stupid how hard it is to Solo on the VR levels. Now if you are playing a DK or Sorc and wanna chime in and tell me how you are VR 2000, great, i'm happy for you. I've seen a few posts, and i haven't been digging, about how NB is pretty much confined to a single target DSP. Well I can confirm this. You say "play as you want". But it appears that unless i'm sneaking up on someone and stealth killing them, i'm pretty much worthless. So all I ask is at least tell the truth zenna. I mean really, I'm not a group dungeon player, I'm not a "i got my guild to help me" player. Tell me how is a NB suppose to beat the VR content unless I got a buddy with me? Seriously.

I feel your pain fellow NB. I am veteran 10, and most of the journey from vr2-vr10 has been painful. I haven't been able to 'play as I want' for 8 veteran levels. Support have acknowledged the problem, and even stated to me that "you have chosen a particularly difficult combination at the moment" - um, what?

We can only hope they either do something about it, or tweak the enemies. I'm currently in the last zone (vr10), and have about 9 quests I can't do, despite them being for solo play. The truth atm is that it's very hard to feel satisfied with your character when you're not able to play it how you'd like, despite even normal enemies being too much to handle. I even met a harvester that was able to 1-shot me earlier, which simply made me laugh.

In the same support email I eluded to earlier they said they were looking at it, specifically balance, but I wish they'd get on with it .. nothing worse than spending ages developing a character for you to feel utterly weak almost all the time, and not being able to play how you'd like in a game that was marketed as 'play how you want'.

Btw, don't take my tone as entirely negative .. I have high hopes for ESO, and want it to do well .. but this stuff really needs to be addressed sharply before potential long-term players like myself simply give up and go back to Skyrim or an alternative MMO. Right now it's quite tricky to keep positive as every time I log in it's a struggle to even do the basics .. not sure how long I can remain hopeful.

Anyway, I sympathise entirely with the OP .. all we can do is report problems and hope they get sorted out with some brevity.

GamePlayer7 · May 2014

Kiwi wrote: »

its the long list of broken skills, not the content

^that

From what I understand, NB has so many broken skills/passives, there's no way it could be fully functioning as intended.

Getorix · May 2014

Squishy wrote: »

Getorix wrote: »

I feel sorry for all of you people that took the whole "You can play any way you want" gimmick seriously, but people who have been around awhile knew it was either meant very loosely or it was just a sales pitch. It is not viable and will never be viable in any mmo ever.

Then it's a scam, selling a product under false advertising. Up to RK1, it was fine though as far as I'm concerned.

Getorix wrote: »

That doesn't mean everything is cookie cutter, that is why we have such a small selection of skills we can have at our disposal at one time, im always swapping skills in and out for different situations.

So did TSW, same restrictions, but a fairly huge amount of abilities that could be picked, and it worked very nicely.

Getorix wrote: »

Nerfing content to cater to people who have any build they want will only lead to a boring joke of a game even worse than our current selection of post wow mmos.

Not if they don't follow the SOE way of doing things. Some builds really need a nerf, as they're way too easy to play. I'm trying DK/imperial at the moment, and it's is ridulously easy so far, compared to equivalent content as a sorc, this one can nearly be played with my eyes closed :S.

I think they really need to look at the classes again, and nerf some of them, then nerf the difficulty of the VT mobs, so it gets roughly as tough for everybody.

The alternative, would be to open all class skills to everyone. So we can truly mix and match things.

Getorix wrote: »

And if you only played wow for 3 days and I didn't quote you when I made the wow kiddies remark why on earth would you think I was refering to you.

Your comment was just after mine, and since I'm part of the crowd that truly believes the diffculty needs to be nerfed down, I felt included in that. So if it was not aimed at me, fine then, you may have a sweetroll . You did however, quoted nobody, and kept it just like this, so it is hard to know who you're referring to .

So your example of an mmo that allows you to play any way you want is tsw? Hows that working out for them?

paradoxorganisationb16_ESO · May 2014

To all the NB crying here and saying this post is mostly about NB can't handle VR content.

If any of your bothered to read the posts by other people then OP and yourself there have been numerous VR10 NBs posting, other NBs pre VR10 and people like myself that has a GF and friends playing NB and again have np with VR content.

So with all those facts put together, again it's a L2P issue. Just because YOU find it hard and have a non optimal (sucky) setup doesn't mean the game or the NB class is too hard.

I know it's hard to admit, but maybe it's just you that is a bad player and/or bad skill combo.

Tavore1138 · May 2014

paradoxorganisationb16_ESO wrote: »

To all the NB crying here and saying this post is mostly about NB can't handle VR content.

If any of your bothered to read the posts by other people then OP and yourself there have been numerous VR10 NBs posting, other NBs pre VR10 and people like myself that has a GF and friends playing NB and again have np with VR content.

So with all those facts put together, again it's a L2P issue. Just because YOU find it hard and have a non optimal (sucky) setup doesn't mean the game or the NB class is too hard.

I know it's hard to admit, but maybe it's just you that is a bad player and/or bad skill combo.

Thanks - that was so incredibly helpful.

Idrinkwhatibrew · May 2014

andy.mcpheatb16_ESO wrote: »

Idrinkwhatibrew wrote: »

You say it is a "Play as you want" game. Well I'm sure there will be many people on here saying "learn to play your class", "learn to play". blah blah blah. Well I'm VR3 atm almost VR4 and I can tell you for a Night Blade the Vet content is hard. I played DK and Sorc in beta and decided since it was "play as you want", I would make a Heavy NB. Well I can tell you I've spent literally over 100K on respecs, just since i hit VR1 alone. I've tried medium armor, light armor, heavy armor. I'm maxed in all class abilities, I'm maxed in all weapons minus resto staff, so yes I've tried them all. It is almost stupid how hard it is to Solo on the VR levels. Now if you are playing a DK or Sorc and wanna chime in and tell me how you are VR 2000, great, i'm happy for you. I've seen a few posts, and i haven't been digging, about how NB is pretty much confined to a single target DSP. Well I can confirm this. You say "play as you want". But it appears that unless i'm sneaking up on someone and stealth killing them, i'm pretty much worthless. So all I ask is at least tell the truth zenna. I mean really, I'm not a group dungeon player, I'm not a "i got my guild to help me" player. Tell me how is a NB suppose to beat the VR content unless I got a buddy with me? Seriously.

I feel your pain fellow NB. I am veteran 10, and most of the journey from vr2-vr10 has been painful. I haven't been able to 'play as I want' for 8 veteran levels. Support have acknowledged the problem, and even stated to me that "you have chosen a particularly difficult combination at the moment" - um, what?

We can only hope they either do something about it, or tweak the enemies. I'm currently in the last zone (vr10), and have about 9 quests I can't do, despite them being for solo play. The truth atm is that it's very hard to feel satisfied with your character when you're not able to play it how you'd like, despite even normal enemies being too much to handle. I even met a harvester that was able to 1-shot me earlier, which simply made me laugh.

In the same support email I eluded to earlier they said they were looking at it, specifically balance, but I wish they'd get on with it .. nothing worse than spending ages developing a character for you to feel utterly weak almost all the time, and not being able to play how you'd like in a game that was marketed as 'play how you want'.

Btw, don't take my tone as entirely negative .. I have high hopes for ESO, and want it to do well .. but this stuff really needs to be addressed sharply before potential long-term players like myself simply give up and go back to Skyrim or an alternative MMO. Right now it's quite tricky to keep positive as every time I log in it's a struggle to even do the basics .. not sure how long I can remain hopeful.

Anyway, I sympathise entirely with the OP .. all we can do is report problems and hope they get sorted out with some brevity.

Thanks man, after I posted this thread, mostly in a fit of rage last night and had a few beers in me, I came back this morning, read what people had to say, paid my 14K plus in gold, respec'd again, and put on the ol' sword and board and heavy armor. Well with three healing abilities slotted (Swallow Soul, Refreshing Path, and Degeneration) plus the Shield Charge and Sap Essence I was able to finally make it through the quests at the end of Rivenspire, can't remember what they are called, but basically climbing up DoomCrag and killing the vampire at the end. So not really playing how I want, but making it through.

Also sorry for the title of the post, for those who it bothers so bad. I knew NB was broke, just no idea how bad until I saw what other people where writing. I should have listed it as something different, HOWEVER, they need to fix NB or change the Vet content, either way, like so many have said, 3-4 mobs should not strike fear into you. I like a challenging game, but the simple quests, the trash mobs, should not make me have to respec and play a certain way. It's not a matter of skill, like I've stated before, I've played MMOs since EQ, I understand how they work. I'm not running into a fight with medium armor and a 2H Sword like someone else said. I also hate WoW, only played for a month and quit, just FYI.

Thanks to all who have had constructive stuff to say. Really helped me out.

GamePlayer7 · May 2014

paradoxorganisationb16_ESO wrote: »

To all the NB crying here and saying this post is mostly about NB can't handle VR content.

If any of your bothered to read the posts by other people then OP and yourself there have been numerous VR10 NBs posting, other NBs pre VR10 and people like myself that has a GF and friends playing NB and again have np with VR content.

So with all those facts put together, again it's a L2P issue. Just because YOU find it hard and have a non optimal (sucky) setup doesn't mean the game or the NB class is too hard.

I know it's hard to admit, but maybe it's just you that is a bad player and/or bad skill combo.

I'm going to assume those vr10 nightblades know what skills are broken, (and therefore suck), and so they avoid them in their builds.

For the record, I've never played a NB, so I'm not too familiar with what isn't working correctly. I have seen a list though of the skills/passives that aren't working correctly. It was a pretty lengthy read. ZoS needs to fix that stuff regardless of the OP's personal gaming talent, (or lack of).

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/72460/nightblade-pressure-points-mark-target-thief-stone-not-working-nb-bugs#latest

paradoxorganisationb16_ESO · May 2014

@SuraklinPrime this wasn't a post asking for help but a cry out to nerf content so said people could handle it. What i and others did was present facts that it's not maybe because we don't want to content to get nerfed and dumbed down to another "#insert random mmo title here".

And yes there are many bugged NB (not only NB skills are bugged fyi) skills mostly passives but if other can figure it out so can you. I mean i don't even play the NB class but apparently i have been able to make 3 NB builds for friends and GF that can easily go through VR content...wierd huh?

It's not illegal to do the tiniest amount of reseach on the internet on builds. Google, youtube, random fansite forums...heck even official forums. Ever heard of any of those?

PVT_Parts · May 2014

ThatArgonianGuy wrote: »

My armor rating is overcharged, but my heavy armor skill is maxed. (that's what I meant, above). Since overcharging makes it harder to level a skill, it does nto matter in this case.

Overcharging doesn't make it harder to lvl a skill, it makes it harder to increase its number, for instance at overcharged a 200 cuirass might only add 100 armor to your armor number.

Idrinkwhatibrew · May 2014

paradoxorganisationb16_ESO wrote: »

To all the NB crying here and saying this post is mostly about NB can't handle VR content.

If any of your bothered to read the posts by other people then OP and yourself there have been numerous VR10 NBs posting, other NBs pre VR10 and people like myself that has a GF and friends playing NB and again have np with VR content.

So with all those facts put together, again it's a L2P issue. Just because YOU find it hard and have a non optimal (sucky) setup doesn't mean the game or the NB class is too hard.

I know it's hard to admit, but maybe it's just you that is a bad player and/or bad skill combo.

I usually don't give into to trolls, which is why I haven't commented on anything you have said previously, but just for the record, I don't care about your girlfriends build, like you stated, it is a siphoning build. I'm glad it works for her, I don't want to a play a siphoning build. I've played a thief/rogue style class in numerous other games. In this game something has to change. I took the liberty of reading some of your other comments to other threads. You really don't have anything constructive to say, mostly how messed up other people are. Maybe you should go and troll your GF and stay off the forums unless you have something useful to put in. You can reply, but I've said my piece. Cheers.

paradoxorganisationb16_ESO · May 2014

Idrinkwhatibrew wrote: »

paradoxorganisationb16_ESO wrote: »

To all the NB crying here and saying this post is mostly about NB can't handle VR content.

If any of your bothered to read the posts by other people then OP and yourself there have been numerous VR10 NBs posting, other NBs pre VR10 and people like myself that has a GF and friends playing NB and again have np with VR content.

So with all those facts put together, again it's a L2P issue. Just because YOU find it hard and have a non optimal (sucky) setup doesn't mean the game or the NB class is too hard.

I know it's hard to admit, but maybe it's just you that is a bad player and/or bad skill combo.

I usually don't give into to trolls, which is why I haven't commented on anything you have said previously, but just for the record, I don't care about your girlfriends build, like you stated, it is a siphoning build. I'm glad it works for her, I don't want to a play a siphoning build. I've played a thief/rogue style class in numerous other games. In this game something has to change. I took the liberty of reading some of your other comments to other threads. You really don't have anything constructive to say, mostly how messed up other people are. Maybe you should go and troll your GF and stay off the forums unless you have something useful to put in. You can reply, but I've said my piece. Cheers.

Basicly what you did there is exactly what you said i shouldn't do. You posted nothing absolutely nothing constructive other than you don't want me personally to post on this forum.

I've given opinions and presented fact about falsely assumptions that me and other players have clearly given proof that it's not the case.

If you don't want to play a certain way that's fine. If you want to lvl as a NB tank in heavy armor you are welcome to do so but the fault is on YOU for chosing to do so and content should not imo (and others too apparently) be nerfed/dumbed down to match so that ineffective builds can pass through it.

And tbh there are so many builds out there that work well, also for NB. I already stated that i've made 3 different builds and otherhave posted videos of other builds and i mentioned you could go do a little research and i know there are way more builds out there that can handle VR too.

Personally i just like to play what's optimal. You can go gimp yourself as much as you want to don't come complain about it when you can't handle the content that's perfectly fine.

Edit: few spelling errors and if you want to ask for help intead of crying about content you can always ask or any of many many many other places on the internet like previously mentioned.

Mackeh · May 2014

@paradoxorganisationb16_ESO

You seem to be missing the point that we've been told we can 'play how you want to' .. perhaps you're missing this point intentionally, I dunno. Those on this thread who realise this and are trying to flag up that it doesn't work like that can see past this dreary 'learn2play' nonsense.

paradoxorganisationb16_ESO · May 2014

You can play the way you want to noone is stopping you. But noone has promised that it work out or be anywhere close to effective.

I've not missed the point and have commented on this several times.

Mackeh · May 2014

That's a hilarious point to make ..

Anyway, I've made all the points I want to make on this thread. Kudos to those who have been constructive.

Idrinkwhatibrew · May 2014

andy.mcpheatb16_ESO wrote: »

That's a hilarious point to make ..

Anyway, I've made all the points I want to make on this thread. Kudos to those who have been constructive.

Same here, I'll play my heavy NB, Sword and Board, until they get the rest of it fixed. Not how I want to do it, but if it keeps me progressing so be it. Anyone having similar issues, hit me up in game and I'll be happy to share the build (@Idrinkwhatibrew). It's working so far, we'll see. Once again thanks to all for the constructive comments.

Devlinne · May 2014

Heres my OWN experience if u will.....

This game is NOT "play as u like." It is NOT "u can be anything"
I will admit, this is one helluva addicting game, but it's NOT the above two statements for sure.
I USED to be a NB dualwield/bow. Look cool,KIll Fast(3 targets, sure, if i am at full magicka)
But it was so HARD, every move have to be calculated...ONE thing go wrong...DEAD. Solo bosses?...forget it. U will run out of magicka to stealth and stun, before the boss dies...then YOU die.
So i went with Sword and shield....OMG. Now everything so EASY. VR4 btw. SUDDENLY bosses, dungeouns,mobs, EVERYTHING is soloable.

So excuse me, but tell it to the marines about that "u can be anything" crap.
Just like Vamp and WW...SURE u can be a WW....AND BE USELESS, or u can be a vamp and PWN. So yeah u have a choice...but is it a CHOICE really?-__-

LazerusKI · May 2014

Bromburak wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Its only DKs and Sorcs saying there isn't a problem. The biggest problem for NBs is lack of AoE damage.

And the biggest strength of a NB is single target dps in the fastest time of all classes.

Thats exactly how you should play , picking single targets and kill them real quick while the DK stands there still getting hit hard by all of the mobs because AOE dps takes longer to get all the mobs down.

However, the biggest problem are those players that think they need to solo Vet Content with AOE. In general this strategy is a pretty bad idea because it wont work for most of the High vet content no matter what class you are.

Anyway good luck with that!

Actually...No.
NB CANT deal more singletarget dps than any other class.
Why? Because NB hast just 3!!! attacks.
One is good for getting in range
One is good as a hidden-opener
One is good agaisnt targets below 25%
but every other class-ability...is a buff. Maybe some DoT, but they wont deal that high damage either.
I said it in another post, i measured the dps of a full-class ability spam NB with nearly unlimited mana because of the siphoning strikes.
And know what? Shieldbash spam is nearly twice as strong.
and the DK with the bashspam was 5 v-ranks below my NB and was equipped with some v3 gear, while my NB was equipped with v10 stuff.
DK for example has more damage attacks, more AoEs, more stuns, more heal...

I have a NB at v10, and i had to get help from a friend a lot of times...and he was like 3 or 4 V ranks below me, and he killed the bosses solo without taking damage in half the time i needed to die against them.
Why is that? Because nearly every single boss is immune to stuns, status effects, can look through cloak or something else like that.

Noth · May 2014

andy.mcpheatb16_ESO wrote: »

@paradoxorganisationb16_ESO

You seem to be missing the point that we've been told we can 'play how you want to' .. perhaps you're missing this point intentionally, I dunno. Those on this thread who realise this and are trying to flag up that it doesn't work like that can see past this dreary 'learn2play' nonsense.

No where does play the way you want mean that the way you play should be effective. It simply means you can play the way you want, even if gimped.

Thevenin · May 2014

VR9 NB here, haven't had any serious issues.
A couple of fights were tough and needed some good blocking / dodging. Otherwise it went smoothly.

If you think something is too hard, level up with something else (PvP, dungeons, whatev) and come back later, or group up.