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VR grind pointless...
escape1979uk
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I am no shrinking violet when it comes to a grind, but this goes beyond the asian, as there is nothing at the end...
I really don't get the design decision to release the game with absolutely zero end game content (apart from being rolled in PVP by Dupe exploiters) and try to hide this fact behind 7-10 days played of pointless quest grinding.
Very lazy.
Killed my guild.
Cheers.
I really don't get the design decision to release the game with absolutely zero end game content (apart from being rolled in PVP by Dupe exploiters) and try to hide this fact behind 7-10 days played of pointless quest grinding.
Very lazy.
Killed my guild.
Cheers.
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Moiskormoimi✭✭✭✭While I agree with your sentiment about releasing a game half done, they are releasing Craglorn which is end game content for vets in patch 1.1. We're testing this now on the pts. It's pretty decent
I would also agree that I don't think they thought out the veteran ranked content thoroughly. It's pretty cheap to not have our own original story.4 -
Korereactor✭✭✭Well, if you like quests and lore, it's not pointless. I'm having a blast. Maybe try reading the quests for once?7 -
escape1979uk✭✭I am looking forward to Craglorn.. however it is entirely likely I will never see it.
Vet rank 5 now, and literally zero desire to log into the game to continue the levelling process.
Craglorn should have been 50-VR2. Then future content escalated VR's.
Can't help think that they have screwed themselves massively with this... Everything else about the game is great!
Despite losing 7 days to bugs, I was always still eager to log in and play.
Then VR happened...
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Noswell✭✭✭The friend who I play with and I had the same reaction after getting plumped down in the V1 zone. Coldharbor was a breath of fresh air after the 1-50 grind started to get a bit repetitive, but both of us had the "I don't know if I can do this 2 more times" reaction on starting V1.1
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Moiskormoimi✭✭✭✭@escape1979uk Completely understand. I'm VR2, and Grahtwood is so bugged out that I just...I just don't have the desire. My guild doesn't play as much any more and the content, even with harder difficulty is just not enough to keep my interest.
Craglorn will be great for those with large guilds or those that have enough friends and people to do the content with. For solo/casuals, not so much. Though we do have a couple awesome people on PTS who have put vids up of them soloing the delve content (not trials, just delve).1 -
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✭✭I am enjoying the content side of VR - I like the lore side so seeing the other sides of the conflict is interesting.
But issues with squishiness & bugged skills of NBs in VR is a little annoying and the EU server lag kills you a lot faster in VR 'cos it's less forgiving than the earlier levels.0 -
Slash8915✭✭✭✭✭I've been VR2 for about 2 weeks now. Just can't bring myself to grind the quests anymore. At the very least, I wish they would let us choose which faction to go to after lvl 50. No offense to any Ebonheart people, but that faction doesn't interest me at all. I often find myself rushing through their quests without reading the dialogue. AD and DC are the two factions I'm actually interested in. I usually log on to feed my horse and collect mats from my hireling, then log off.2 -
ZiRM✭✭✭✭✭
✭It is pointless, all the areas should be open to everyone for free roaming. It's just a lazy endgame tedious grind to keep people busy... simple as that. I luv a good grind but the cherry that tops the sundae is craglorn adds 2 more VR... yknow.. for those exploiters that are bored.Want to become Vampire? 5k @ZiRM in game.ESO Server Status. ( ^_^)o自自o(^_^ ) SkåL!!!!!2 -
krees28b14_ESO✭✭✭Veteran ranks came about during beta about a year or so ago. People were upset that they had to pick an alliance and were only able to play that alliances story. That means people would have to play three characters to see all the content in the game. People wanted to play all stories on one character and thus veteran ranks were born as a way of us seeing that content on one character. They could have left it alone and watched people continue to complain about playing three characters to see all content. They could have renamed it level 51-60 and simply slowed down the leveling. The point is to make the game a little harder while still seeing all content in the game, but that doesn't matter because people will always want to push a button and have max level with shiny loot falling at their feet.4
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7788b14_ESO✭✭✭The friend who I play with and I had the same reaction after getting plumped down in the V1 zone. Coldharbor was a breath of fresh air after the 1-50 grind started to get a bit repetitive, but both of us had the "I don't know if I can do this 2 more times" reaction on starting V1.
I said the same thing. It's not worth it. Especially if I have alts that have been through the other content already. Especially since the main story ended at 50.Edited by 7788b14_ESO on May 3, 2014 4:50PM1 -
Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Might feel like less of a grind I suppose if levelling up actually gained you anything - like a point to put in your stats and a skill point as per 1-50... or maybe the right to open up or choose one additional skill line of some kind either a choice from the other classes or a 4th skill tree that only opens up for vets. Nothing overpowered but some interesting situational skills (some decent AOE & CC for NBs springs to mind
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ZiRM✭✭✭✭✭
✭You hit VR1 and look at the long, winding, sickeningly tedious road of VR12 (soon) and most people just...unsubscribe.Want to become Vampire? 5k @ZiRM in game.ESO Server Status. ( ^_^)o自自o(^_^ ) SkåL!!!!!2 -
Moiskormoimi✭✭✭✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »Might feel like less of a grind I suppose if levelling up actually gained you anything - like a point to put in your stats and a skill point as per 1-50... or maybe the right to open up or choose one additional skill line of some kind either a choice from the other classes or a 4th skill tree that only opens up for vets. Nothing overpowered but some interesting situational skills (some decent AOE & CC for NBs springs to mind ).
Agreed. There is no real incentive for us to get to top level. And the only way to get skill points is to do some of the main quests and sky shards now. That means roaming and going through stale content, much of which has been done with an alt already. It just seems...lazy to me. I get that when you get to the top level it gets boring. I'm an mmo vet. It's expected. But usually it's never this fast and usually there's always at least one thing to aspire to get...a legendary, an objective, new raid time, etc. There really isn't much here going on beyond the quests.
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Korereactor✭✭✭You guys know quests aren't just clicky clicky right? See, way back when, they were originally designed to be read. I know, I know, sounds weird, but true. The lack of patience these days - mind blown. You guys think this is grinding? ESO actually has good story - try some of the other Asian MMOs out there.
I should make an MMO that in one day you hit max level, every drop is an epic or legendary, and every other day they'll be an expansion with a raid boss. No quests, you just click on a button to level. There would be a ladder system, and it would be a race to see who can finish first. Achievements for those who never use the bathroom. Of course, add-ons to control your character will be totally allowed, and exploiting all bugs will be legal. I'd make millions.
It's kind of funny - never thought I'd hear the words "quest grind", cause back in the day, questing was never considered grinding. I guess I'm just an old fart now.7 -
Ulvich✭✭✭✭✭Korereactor wrote: »Well, if you like quests and lore, it's not pointless. I'm having a blast. Maybe try reading the quests for once?
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Moiskormoimi✭✭✭✭@KoReactor I always read the quests first time through. The thing is that all the quests I'm doing as vet 2, I did on my AD alt. That's the issue.1
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esoone✭✭✭Yes its horrible, feels like a 2nd job to get it done and not having a way out without missing skyshards, skillpoints etc. Im daggerfal so wat am i doing helping the other factions for? Great fun.
Edited by esoone on May 3, 2014 5:03PM0 -
Noswell✭✭✭Korereactor wrote: »Well, if you like quests and lore, it's not pointless. I'm having a blast. Maybe try reading the quests for once?
Maybe I read faster than you. Maybe I play for different reasons. Maybe I play with a friend who prefers to run around and kill stuff over reading the 10 thousandth quest, and I'm afraid I'll get out of synch with him and be unable to group properly as many have pointed out can easily happen.
Assuming what others do or don't do is not a very productive response to a pretty polite and I'd say constructive thread, so I'll leave it at that. We all play our own way, and I feel no obligation to conform to your playstyle nor should you feel any to conform to mine
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Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Korereactor wrote: »You guys know quests aren't just clicky clicky right? See, way back when, they were originally designed to be read. I know, I know, sounds weird, but true. The lack of patience these days - mind blown. You guys think this is grinding?
Liking the lore & questing, long time TES player and only doing an MMO at all because it is in that world - it is those aspects that have so far stopped me from throwing my mouse out of the window as another 4 Sea Viper casters squish my poor NB into the dust on the way to try and put the thingy in the whatsit to stop their evil plan.
But I suspect a lot of the problem is due to well known bugs in various abilities & the vicious lag levels that we get on the EU server sometimes which mean that sometimes you can be dead before you even knew a fight had started.0 -
Korereactor✭✭✭amber_picchiottino_ESO wrote: »@KoReactor I always read the quests first time through. The thing is that all the quests I'm doing as vet 2, I did on my AD alt. That's the issue.
Well, I can see that, but man, people have alts already?0 -
7788b14_ESO✭✭✭I understand they want things to be hard. But epic battles should have epic rewards. Tough grinding is not the new normal. It's the old normal. Other MMO's drop great gear for great battles, consistently pretty much.2
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escape1979uk✭✭We all play our own way, and I feel no obligation to conform to your playstyle nor should you feel any to conform to mine
Exactly.
I love to powerlevel, and look for the most efficient way to level (without the exploits of many VR10's running around today), so reading quests is a detriment to the enjoyment I get out of my own sense of accomplishment of peaking my XP per hour.
The problem here, is that its ALL stick and no carrot.
I have not changed a single skill on my primary bar since about level 40.
As i hand in quests, I switch to whatever weapon I am looking to level at the time...
Thats the level of customisation I am seeing in my char as I level, with the promise of nothing at the end (until 1.1, the release date of which is currently ethereal)
Edited by escape1979uk on May 3, 2014 5:10PM3 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭escape1979uk wrote: »I am no shrinking violet when it comes to a grind, but this goes beyond the asian, as there is nothing at the end...
I really don't get the design decision to release the game with absolutely zero end game content (apart from being rolled in PVP by Dupe exploiters) and try to hide this fact behind 7-10 days played of pointless quest grinding.
Very lazy.
Killed my guild.
Cheers.
We wont miss you.
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Moiskormoimi✭✭✭✭Korereactor wrote: »amber_picchiottino_ESO wrote: »@KoReactor I always read the quests first time through. The thing is that all the quests I'm doing as vet 2, I did on my AD alt. That's the issue.
Well, I can see that, but man, people have alts already?
I have two.
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Slash8915✭✭✭✭✭A lot of guildies and I came to ESO from a different game. We all pre-ordered and played since early access. We all reached VR around the same time. None of them have logged on in over a week since hitting VR1. Now I'm the only one that logs in at all, and I feel lonely. Lol3
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Korereactor✭✭✭Those of you saying no rewards, what do you mean exactly? I just started in Khenarthi's Roost and got like six blue VR1 items (no joke). Of course I can craft better so I used them for mats, but still, are we expecting epics or something? I don't get it? Do bosses not drop anything? Generally you run dungeons for epics?Edited by Korereactor on May 3, 2014 5:20PM0
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escape1979uk✭✭escape1979uk wrote: »I am no shrinking violet when it comes to a grind, but this goes beyond the asian, as there is nothing at the end...
I really don't get the design decision to release the game with absolutely zero end game content (apart from being rolled in PVP by Dupe exploiters) and try to hide this fact behind 7-10 days played of pointless quest grinding.
Very lazy.
Killed my guild.
Cheers.
We wont miss you.
An admission? Big of you.
From VR2ish, been seeing people selling unlimited quantities of Legendary quality weapons, glyphs, armour...
If you think they "got" them all in the ban wave, you are sadly mistaken.
Edited by escape1979uk on May 3, 2014 5:17PM0 -
esoone✭✭✭amber_picchiottino_ESO wrote: »Korereactor wrote: »amber_picchiottino_ESO wrote: »@KoReactor I always read the quests first time through. The thing is that all the quests I'm doing as vet 2, I did on my AD alt. That's the issue.
Well, I can see that, but man, people have alts already?
I have two.
Whens the last time you seen the sun?
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Moiskormoimi✭✭✭✭Korereactor wrote: »Those of you saying no rewards, what do you mean exactly? I just started in Khenarthi's Roost and got like six blue V1 items (no joke). Of course I can craft better so I used them for mats, but still, are we expecting epics or something? I don't get it? Do bosses not drop anything? Generally you run dungeons for epics?
Blue items drop like candy in vet zones so it's not really a big deal. Bosses still have the same drop bs that they did in normal zones. Sometimes they drop nothing at all, and when they do, it's generally not for how you're specing your character.
The dungeons are harder, yes, but with no real system in place for getting better gear, it's a crap shoot. There is no end game content. The content you run as a vet is the same crap you'd run at level 1 in those factions, only 'harder' content. Normally, you'd have your own thing to go and do as a vet, which is what Craglorn will be.
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Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭escape1979uk wrote: »escape1979uk wrote: »I am no shrinking violet when it comes to a grind, but this goes beyond the asian, as there is nothing at the end...
I really don't get the design decision to release the game with absolutely zero end game content (apart from being rolled in PVP by Dupe exploiters) and try to hide this fact behind 7-10 days played of pointless quest grinding.
Very lazy.
Killed my guild.
Cheers.
We wont miss you.
An admission? Big of you.
From VR2ish, been seeing people selling unlimited quantities of Legendary quality weapons, glyphs, armour...
If you think they "got" them all in the ban wave, you are sadly mistaken.
An admission my ass. I couldnt be more legit than i am.
But you are a paranoid player, and should stick with single player games.
Now before leaving you could tell us what the *** has duping item to do with pvp.
Or just leave.
Edited by Gisgo on May 3, 2014 5:23PM0