I think it might be better to make healing scale less from weapon/spell damage rather than making it not scale at all with weapon/spell damage and reducing the amount of healing on the burst heals that didn't get hit with the last nerf rather than increasing the cost.

My impression is that right now many builds run primarily towards weapon/spell damage even for healers which will put them in a very awkward position if the scaling drops abruptly down to 0.

I think it should be more a case of the best builds for raw healing numbers are Magicka/Stamina rather than Spell/Weapon Damage but that Spell/Weapon Damage could still function as healers and that the best raw damage dealer builds are Spell/Weapon Damage slanted but you can function with Stamina/Magicka.

I think reducing the healing amount for the skills that didn't get hit recently would be a better way to reduce effectiveness in PvP without excessive negative impact in PvE because running out of resources is more of an issue than having too small of a heal in much of pve imho.

PvE healer here, I'm totally cool with healing getting a rework or potentially even a nerf IF it makes the healer role more important, go ahead and nerf self heals, I'm sick of being unwanted and unneeded in most PvE content.

Thecompton73 wrote: »

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

PvE healer here. If you make me choose between dps and healing, I'll quit healing and join the hordes of dds. That is, I strongly believe that if you nerf healing or nerf the moderate damage that healers can do, they will become as unpopular to play as tanks.

Hmmm claiming to be a healer but then turning around and saying if you can't do as much damage as a pure DD you'll quit to become a DD makes it sounds like you're already a DD in a healers clothing.

I am an alternative DPSer.

Originally I began as a healer, playing Guild Wars and City of Heroes having fun healing. In Burning Crusade, WoW, I switched to tanking and began focusing on producing dps in a situation where people would go 'oh, but you cant dps'. The first time I topped the dps meters was Kologarn 25 man Ulduar (thanks to berserkmanglespam with the arms up) and culminating in having to learn how to do a burst opener as feral dps so we could down the tendrils for Heroic Spine of Deathwing.

Why do I bring this up? Because telling people they need to be pigeonholed is wrong. In ESO I run tank specs that put out about 30k dps while keeping the boss still and taunted so the people who want to be DD can do so in normal dungeons and not see a fake tank every run reducing their output and making them work harder for less fun. Same goes when I heal - 30k dps, full healer, capable of throwing out 10k+ hps if necessary.

If PvP has a problem with people doing everything too well, don't try to wreck PvE with short-sighted answers.
PERSONAL healing in U35 is out of control, nothing to do with actual healers. Polar Winds from a 50k tank is hitting for 20k to you plus another with a 25k/10 seconds hot; VIGOR is capable of doing 30k/5 seconds plus grants minor resolve now.

Healers themselves already got the short end of the stick in U35, while everybody got so much personal healing now it's a bit crazy. In PvE my Nightblade can combine 8k/pierce armor heals, 25k/5 Vigor, 2k/second Path, 8k/second Cloaks on top of 1500/light attack from leeching strikes. (not even counting 20k bone shields, ultimates etc)
So when consider I can produce 25k/second healing on myself... you start to see why healing might be out of control, but it's not the healers who are the issue.

Focus on the real issue - personal healing - and less on your desire for everybody to only be a DD in PvP because that's how you think PvP should be.

sinnereso wrote: »

Athyrium93 wrote: »

PvE healer here, I'm totally cool with healing getting a rework or potentially even a nerf IF it makes the healer role more important, go ahead and nerf self heals, I'm sick of being unwanted and unneeded in most PvE content.

I agree with this! Healing should only be potent when properly spec'd into it via CP imo.. Not as it is now that every dps is a power healer as well. non spec'd healing should be strong enough for overland trash at most!

It's truly ridiculous when a pure damage spec is outputting more HPS than a dedicated healer spec. I wish I was joking, but on my Templar if I slot heals while wearing DPS gear I can get bigger heals than while wearing support sets.

Tbh. Healing imho is only problematic when it comes to ball groups as they can pretty much "zero to 100%" 24/7 with little to no effort. Sure, you can have tanky individuals, but those at least have no damage.

Last thing I would like to see is a nerf which solo players will feel the most, while ball groups will not noticed anything.

I think that Devs should really consider group size scaling to be a thing, so that the larger the coordinated group is - their skills/abilities/passives/proc sets will become % weaker or something. Otherwise this playstyle will be meta forever as every attempt to reduce its effectiveness so far has failed.

As a warden healer with nothing allocated into magicka regen, i have a hoard of tri-restoration potions, as i never run out of magicka. I think a slight cost increase would me sense.