wolfie1.0. wrote: »

rootkitronin wrote: »

Carcamongus wrote: »

I don't understand people saying ESO+ members aren't getting anything.

Because as an ESO+ member, I already have that content - you're placing value on me wanting access to that content should I stop being an ESO+ member. I don't, in fact, I probably wouldn't play ESO at all without ESO+. I don't care to own the DLC, I don't need to own it, I just care that I can access it when I have ESO+.

Part of the value of ESO+ is having access to DLCs without purchasing them, if the new trend is that they are just going to be given away for free... while my ESO+ price remains the same (or goes up), then if anything, I'm losing value there.

That's where the frustration lies, and why this so-called gifting feels like someone paying me back with my own money. Having ZOS or other players tell me that I should be grateful for this, that just adds insult to injury.

For those that who find value in the free DLC, I'm happy for you, no reason not to be - just don't expect everyone to see value in it the same way you do.

You can't say your getting nothing. You get an exclusive pet. The value of said pet is subject to opinion, but it is something.

Nonsubscribers get a free DLC that is worth a lot more than a free pet. They give pets away with the daily rewards, yet we are supposed to accept one as a yearly reward?

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

You can't say your getting nothing. You get an exclusive pet. The value of said pet is subject to opinion, but it is something.

Haha well you're not wrong, it is technically something, just don't expect me to be grateful for it, or surprised when I'm skeptical of the integrity or sincerity in which it is given.

You know, giving away the DLC for free sort of implies that they expect even more people to unsubscribe ..... what are they thinking of doing next, that is going to drive enough players away, that they have to give free zones, just to have some breathers in the system??

Auldwulfe

BlueRaven wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

thejadefalcon wrote: »

Can I pretend to be shocked now? What a "mystery" reward. It's exactly the same as last year's reward.

How about something that benefits the whole playerbase? Like a house, which High Isle has been missing this entire time (not counting the inn or Crown only one)? Nah, I get a reward that's something I've already paid for. Wow.

A house doesn't benefit the whole playerbase as many aren't into housing. There's nothing they can give that could please everyone. ESO+ gets an exclusive pet and a permanent unlock regardless of plus status of the dlc, neither of which anyone has paid for. If y'all don't like the rewards, that's fine. But ESO+ was, in fact, included in the rewards with stuff we haven't paid for and some of us are happy with those items.

I don’t know if there are many eso+ subscribers that turn on and off their sub that often.

One of the perks of eso+ is dlc access, when they give away the dlc it devalues the subscription. More importantly it feels devalued to the eso subscriber.

They tried to compensate that with the pet, but a pet reskin is kind of meh. Someone mentioned the CE version of the dlc, THAT would have been a more appropriate prize for eso+ subscribers.

I imagine a lot of them do, but probably not the ones who post on here. I say this because developers have already stated there's a lot of people who only play this game during the story DLCs, and quit playing afterwards. I don't see most of those people paying for a sub they aren't using.

Are those on and off players coming back and doing this event? Because if they are not, this prize is not hitting the target audience.

Unless everyone gets the prize even if they did not participate.

And if THAT is true it makes the eso+ subscription feel even more devalued.

Everyone gets it if they claim it in time and own High Isle, regardless of individual participation.

Then they need to change this to say that everyone gets access to story dlc game packs.

The only dlc content my sub is giving me is the dungeons at this point. And like most players it seems, I really don't want to do the new dungeons more than once, and certainly not in a pug situation.

So this whole first line is no longer an eso+ selling point, and is very misleading.

The story DLC is not a guaranteed reward every year, it's just something they do sometimes. The bonus content they have this year is pretty lacking, even in the paid department. Like, we didn't get the usual number of paid houses.There was absolutely zero new ones that were either free or could be bought with just coins (outside of the Inn room), for the first time since housing was released. I'm guessing that the server upgrades/re-architecture limited their ability to do other things, so the DLC is being given out for free since it was a slim year.

In addition, you DO still get all DLC unlocked including prior DLC with ESO+. They did not take Firesong away from ESO+. They upgraded your access to it for free, and gave it away to everyone else. If someone with ESO+ were to miss this event and be unable to get the free access to Firesong, they'd still have access to Firesong through ESO+ anyway. The people that miss this event and don't have ESO+ will have to pay full price.

It's just FOMO so that people buy High Isle on discount.

BlueRaven wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

thejadefalcon wrote: »

Can I pretend to be shocked now? What a "mystery" reward. It's exactly the same as last year's reward.

How about something that benefits the whole playerbase? Like a house, which High Isle has been missing this entire time (not counting the inn or Crown only one)? Nah, I get a reward that's something I've already paid for. Wow.

A house doesn't benefit the whole playerbase as many aren't into housing. There's nothing they can give that could please everyone. ESO+ gets an exclusive pet and a permanent unlock regardless of plus status of the dlc, neither of which anyone has paid for. If y'all don't like the rewards, that's fine. But ESO+ was, in fact, included in the rewards with stuff we haven't paid for and some of us are happy with those items.

I don’t know if there are many eso+ subscribers that turn on and off their sub that often.

One of the perks of eso+ is dlc access, when they give away the dlc it devalues the subscription. More importantly it feels devalued to the eso subscriber.

They tried to compensate that with the pet, but a pet reskin is kind of meh. Someone mentioned the CE version of the dlc, THAT would have been a more appropriate prize for eso+ subscribers.

I imagine a lot of them do, but probably not the ones who post on here. I say this because developers have already stated there's a lot of people who only play this game during the story DLCs, and quit playing afterwards. I don't see most of those people paying for a sub they aren't using.

Are those on and off players coming back and doing this event? Because if they are not, this prize is not hitting the target audience.

Unless everyone gets the prize even if they did not participate.

And if THAT is true it makes the eso+ subscription feel even more devalued.

Everyone gets it if they claim it in time and own High Isle, regardless of individual participation.

Then they need to change this to say that everyone gets access to story dlc game packs.

The only dlc content my sub is giving me is the dungeons at this point. And like most players it seems, I really don't want to do the new dungeons more than once, and certainly not in a pug situation.

So this whole first line is no longer an eso+ selling point, and is very misleading.

The story DLC is not a guaranteed reward every year, it's just something they do sometimes. The bonus content they have this year is pretty lacking, even in the paid department. Like, we didn't get the usual number of paid houses.There was absolutely zero new ones that were either free or could be bought with just coins (outside of the Inn room), for the first time since housing was released. I'm guessing that the server upgrades/re-architecture limited their ability to do other things, so the DLC is being given out for free since it was a slim year.

In addition, you DO still get all DLC unlocked including prior DLC with ESO+. They did not take Firesong away from ESO+. They upgraded your access to it for free, and gave it away to everyone else. If someone with ESO+ were to miss this event and be unable to get the free access to Firesong, they'd still have access to Firesong through ESO+ anyway. The people that miss this event and don't have ESO+ will have to pay full price.

"They upgraded your access to it for free...."

What upgrade? I am not having an upgraded experience. And for free? I am still paying for eso+, they are not giving me anything for free.

You essentially went from rent to own for free. So, even if you cancel ESO+ you still get access to it. Meanwhile if you unsub, you lose access to any unowned DLC.

If you choose not to use that perk, that's perfectly acceptable, but it's also only applicable to you and others who share your mindset. As a current and active ESO+ subscriber who has been subbed for the past 2 years, but who is currently planning on letting their sub lapse unless I see improvement when it expires in April, that's a quite notable perk for me. It means I don't have to spend any crowns to maintain access, which I would have.

You speak as if your situation is everyone's situation and it's objectively true. It's not. Many ESO+ subscribers will never use this perk. Many ESO+ subscribers will use this perk, as it factually exists and is something they can use.

A "useless" or "garbage" perk is not the same thing as a "non-existent" perk. And one man's trash is another's treasure.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

thejadefalcon wrote: »

Can I pretend to be shocked now? What a "mystery" reward. It's exactly the same as last year's reward.

How about something that benefits the whole playerbase? Like a house, which High Isle has been missing this entire time (not counting the inn or Crown only one)? Nah, I get a reward that's something I've already paid for. Wow.

A house doesn't benefit the whole playerbase as many aren't into housing. There's nothing they can give that could please everyone. ESO+ gets an exclusive pet and a permanent unlock regardless of plus status of the dlc, neither of which anyone has paid for. If y'all don't like the rewards, that's fine. But ESO+ was, in fact, included in the rewards with stuff we haven't paid for and some of us are happy with those items.

I don’t know if there are many eso+ subscribers that turn on and off their sub that often.

One of the perks of eso+ is dlc access, when they give away the dlc it devalues the subscription. More importantly it feels devalued to the eso subscriber.

They tried to compensate that with the pet, but a pet reskin is kind of meh. Someone mentioned the CE version of the dlc, THAT would have been a more appropriate prize for eso+ subscribers.

I imagine a lot of them do, but probably not the ones who post on here. I say this because developers have already stated there's a lot of people who only play this game during the story DLCs, and quit playing afterwards. I don't see most of those people paying for a sub they aren't using.

Are those on and off players coming back and doing this event? Because if they are not, this prize is not hitting the target audience.

Unless everyone gets the prize even if they did not participate.

And if THAT is true it makes the eso+ subscription feel even more devalued.

Everyone gets it if they claim it in time and own High Isle, regardless of individual participation.

Then they need to change this to say that everyone gets access to story dlc game packs.

The only dlc content my sub is giving me is the dungeons at this point. And like most players it seems, I really don't want to do the new dungeons more than once, and certainly not in a pug situation.

So this whole first line is no longer an eso+ selling point, and is very misleading.

The story DLC is not a guaranteed reward every year, it's just something they do sometimes. The bonus content they have this year is pretty lacking, even in the paid department. Like, we didn't get the usual number of paid houses.There was absolutely zero new ones that were either free or could be bought with just coins (outside of the Inn room), for the first time since housing was released. I'm guessing that the server upgrades/re-architecture limited their ability to do other things, so the DLC is being given out for free since it was a slim year.

In addition, you DO still get all DLC unlocked including prior DLC with ESO+. They did not take Firesong away from ESO+. They upgraded your access to it for free, and gave it away to everyone else. If someone with ESO+ were to miss this event and be unable to get the free access to Firesong, they'd still have access to Firesong through ESO+ anyway. The people that miss this event and don't have ESO+ will have to pay full price.

"They upgraded your access to it for free...."

What upgrade? I am not having an upgraded experience. And for free? I am still paying for eso+, they are not giving me anything for free.

You essentially went from rent to own for free. So, even if you cancel ESO+ you still get access to it. Meanwhile if you unsub, you lose access to any unowned DLC.

I own it? Do I get to stop paying my eso+ "rent" then? I don't?

Well can I get a discount since I "own" the dlcs? I can't?

Since I "own" the dlc content, can I sell it? No?

So no upgrade, no enhanced experience.

"So, even if you cancel ESO+ you still get access to it."

So it's only of value IF I am NOT an eso+ subscriber. As long as I have ESO+ the reward is of no value. Got it.

ESO+ members who don't buy zone dlc would have to wait for the next zone lol

so much criticism coming from left field.

more broken gear still in the high isle chapter. There's more value in keeping that zone DLC as pay to access for another half year.

BlueRaven wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

If they are going to give an ESO+ perk for free to everyone then they need to give subscribers a discount on our monthly subscriptions. One of our perks was invalidated so we should be compensated for it.

Yeah, it really feels like a party where everyone but the eso+ subscribers gets a gift.

And two years in a row, too. It makes me wonder which of the perks that we pay for with our subscriptions will be next.

Really wanted a medium house

Why not give the crowns the dlc cost to everyone? The ones without eso+ can buy the dlc and the eso+ players can buy something different

Well, it has been leaked months ago that the DLC will be part of the event rewards; they did what they did last year so the "mystery surprise" was not so surprising at all.
What DOES surprise me though: They received quite a backlash about it last year for pulling this of and still try doing exactly the same.
Do not get me wrong: I am fine with them giving away something that probably can not be sold in a cost-covering way otherwise and thus creating an extra incentive to purchase the High-Isle chapter to those that still did not.
I am totally fine with a limited part of the player base actually benefitting from that move.
But, let's face it: There is no "free DLC". It has cost money in developing and producing and that cost is to be covered by the income created with sales and ESO+ subs.
So please, don't dare telling me I receive a "gift" that is actually something I already paid for. And don't call it a "mystery reward" informing me that I paid for gifts to others as well. You are welcome. Enjoy. I am honestly happy that people love playing the game I love to play and if some marketing move adds to that joy, I am fine with it.
Frankly, it would be less deceptive to just tell the community upfront: "Here is our new chapter, buy it and play it and you will receive the story expansion in fall for free, even if you don't like the game enough to sub for it." Certainly, some might have cared. I do care for honesty.
ANd, btw. I would have cared a lot more for a house, because this years content is lacking houses.

Don't care either way. When I play I am subscribed so I get it either way. The pet is irrelevant to me, won't use it. If they would want to please subscribers with a pet than give them a voucher for one, to be used when they see one in the crownstore that they actually like.