Really need to fix NB or tone down some of the Vet Content

Idrinkwhatibrew · May 2014

You say it is a "Play as you want" game. Well I'm sure there will be many people on here saying "learn to play your class", "learn to play". blah blah blah. Well I'm VR3 atm almost VR4 and I can tell you for a Night Blade the Vet content is hard. I played DK and Sorc in beta and decided since it was "play as you want", I would make a Heavy NB. Well I can tell you I've spent literally over 100K on respecs, just since i hit VR1 alone. I've tried medium armor, light armor, heavy armor. I'm maxed in all class abilities, I'm maxed in all weapons minus resto staff, so yes I've tried them all. It is almost stupid how hard it is to Solo on the VR levels. Now if you are playing a DK or Sorc and wanna chime in and tell me how you are VR 2000, great, i'm happy for you. I've seen a few posts, and i haven't been digging, about how NB is pretty much confined to a single target DSP. Well I can confirm this. You say "play as you want". But it appears that unless i'm sneaking up on someone and stealth killing them, i'm pretty much worthless. So all I ask is at least tell the truth zenna. I mean really, I'm not a group dungeon player, I'm not a "i got my guild to help me" player. Tell me how is a NB suppose to beat the VR content unless I got a buddy with me? Seriously.

Napkins · May 2014

try using block or CC. does wonders for staying alive.

Idrinkwhatibrew · May 2014

thanks napkins, never thought of that..........

KhajiitiLizard · May 2014

I'm a vet rank 4 DK and I find vet content to be doable. Sometimes it gets really hard (mostly public dungeons, but that is because there aren't enough people in it sometimes), but other than that, it isn't much harder. I used to dual wield, but it got much easier after I started using a shield. I'm surprised at how much damage bash can do.

PVT_Parts · May 2014

I would suggest an Orc heavy armor Dragon knight, but I'm sure you don't want to start over. I'm not really familiar with the NB, but they seem pretty strong. Might have the glass cannon effect like Sorc except without the summonable damage shields. I hope you figure it out OP. I'd be down to quest some together so I can be your meat shield once I catch up, only VR1 atm. It seems fairly easy at VR1. I just don't understand this overcharging crap. I can overcharge my armor with 5 pieces and be naked in the other 2 slots... How is that supposed to be a thing? Why would anyone ever make yellow armor when it will just make you overcharged anyways. As it is, my 220+100(set) armor piece only adds 200 armor.

Morkulth · May 2014

With all of the quests that have gotten nerfed since january, Veteran Content should be and stay hard. You have 1-50 to learn the inner workings of your class and game mechanics to do just fine in veteran content. Tamriel is an unforgiving place.

KhajiitiLizard · May 2014

Overcharged means nothing when you have maxed the skills for it. I wear heavy armor, that skill is maxed at 50 and cannot be raised. It's overcharged, but since I can't raise the skill any further it does not matter.

KhajiitiLizard · May 2014

My armor rating is overcharged, but my heavy armor skill is maxed. (that's what I meant, above). Since overcharging makes it harder to level a skill, it does nto matter in this case.

paradoxorganisationb16_ESO · May 2014

I don't really want to say it but it's a L2P issue again like any other post of this nature and yes i've even seen these threads for non VR content.

VR content is not harder per say the mobs just have more hp which of course gives them more uptime to hit you...So it might seems that way.

Anyways I had np as a sorc through the VR content and yes i know you mentioned sorc to be easy but really DK is the only ez-mode class because of thier one skill.

Anyways to sorta put fact behind the statement I currently also have a templar that also reached VR content a few days ago and have np there either. If you want futher arguments on equal terms my GF with little to no exp with gaming or prior mmo's plays a NB and guess what...np with VR content.

When people complain about stuff being to hard in ESO in 99% of the cases it's a L2P issue AND the spec you play with. People think you can just do whatever because they were told they could or was used to from skyrim. In theory you can ofc play however you want but if you don't play an optimal spec the fault is on you for making the content harder.

Anyways just wanted to comment on this as i don't want to see ESO dumbed down like many other mmo's an it's not that hard just different. I'm not sure on the reasoning to add so much extra hp on VR content mobs other then you have to wait longer between pulls to fill your whatever bar, but difficulty is the same. But then again i don't understand the logic behind max targets on aoe either. The content is not harder solo just some mechanics and maybe bad choices to encourage more zerking gameplay.

ZiRM · May 2014

I don't mind challenging but the addition of VR levels with craglorn and the slow, tedious XP gain is mentally challenged. All it's going to do is turn people away from keeping subscriptions.

Noth · May 2014

Only select things in VR content need toned down. Off the top of my head, any solo mob that cannot be CC'd and has CC of it's own with (i'm looking at you storm atronachs and gargoyles). Sure you can beat those type of mobs, but that is a feat within itself. They are typically harder that the bosses at the ends of the quest chains.

If the combat was truly action oriented like Tera, where dodges gave invincibility frames, I could accept such difficult solo enemies.

Belrim · May 2014

ThatArgonianGuy wrote: »

My armor rating is overcharged, but my heavy armor skill is maxed. (that's what I meant, above). Since overcharging makes it harder to level a skill, it does nto matter in this case.

Overcharging does not make the skill harder to level, but the attribute harder to increase.

I have stamina regeneration overcharged on my NB, and if i put on new gear with increased stamina regen, i dont get the full benefits, but diminished result.

KhajiitiLizard · May 2014

Belrim wrote: »

ThatArgonianGuy wrote: »

My armor rating is overcharged, but my heavy armor skill is maxed. (that's what I meant, above). Since overcharging makes it harder to level a skill, it does nto matter in this case.

Overcharging does not make the skill harder to level, but the attribute harder to increase.

I have stamina regeneration overcharged on my NB, and if i put on new gear with increased stamina regen, i dont get the full benefits, but diminished result.

But, how does it apply to armor then? It's overcharged, but when I get better armor, my rating still increases?

Estwing · May 2014

VR content is made for a group more and you also need to make sure you actually put points in Health.

Sakiri · May 2014

Armor rating = x points per % damage reduction.

Overcharged armor rating = x * y points per % damage reduction.

norm_voshall · May 2014

Estwing wrote: »

VR content is made for a group more and you also need to make sure you actually put points in Health.

Completely incorrect. VR content is all about knowing the mechanics of the game and how to mitigate/avoid damage. It does show you that some weapons (2h) are junk but, VR is mostly about not taking damage. It is CRAZY easy to avoid damage in this game if you are a proficient player. Occasionally bad luck will befall you and you will get Dark Talons on you and then AOE'd but, things happen. There are plenty of VR players that aren't struggling with the content. I know you don't want to hear it but, it really is a L2P issue.

VR is how the entire game should be. 1-50 is a total faceroll. You can pretty much just power through everything. This changes once you get to VR and single spells/aoes can do lots of damage. Blocking, Dodging, and Interrupting are VERY important to being a competent VR player.

Evergreen · May 2014

Idrinkwhatibrew wrote: »

Tell me how is a NB suppose to beat the VR content unless I got a buddy with me? Seriously.

A good start would be fixing our class skills. Right now we cannot even know the possibilities of our class with so many broken/bugged abilities.

Assassination:

Death Stroke <Incapacitating Strike> and <Soul Harvest> On occasion the animation will happen however the ability is not actually triggered.

Assassin’s Blade <Killer’s Blade> and <Impale> – On occasion the animation will happen however the ability is not actually triggered. These abilities are also bugged in that they cannot crit. This may be fixed in 1.1

Haste <Focused Attacks> and <Incapacitate> – The attack speed increase of 30% doesn’t affect bow weapons.

Mark Target <Reaper’s Mark> – The gain damage bonus effect does not appear to work.

Mark Target <Piercing Mark> – Allows you to see and attack targets who are sneaking however not targets that are invisible currently.

Teleport Strike <Ambush> – On occasion the animation will happen however the ability is not actually triggered.
Shadow:

Shadow Cloak <Shadowy Disguise> – Approximately 25% of the time this ability does not trigger any of its effects.

Shadow Cloak <Shadowy Disguise> and <Dark Cloak> – On occasion you wont visually be invisible but you are to the mobs.

Shadow Cloak <Shadowy Disguise> and <Dark Cloak> – Your character becomes invisible however enemy players can see particle effects and thus be able to locate your player.

Veiled Strike <Concealed Weapon> – The 22% movement speed in stealth while slotted effect appears to suffer the dreaded “Once you’ve died you need to re-log or zone to rectify the issue”. Workaround: If you re-log or change zones it will force the passive effect to work again.

Veiled Strike <Surprise Attack> and <Concealed Weapon> – Often the animation and stun effect will occur but no damage is done to the enemy.

Path of Darkness <Twisting Path> and <Refreshing Path> – This ability appears to be affected by terrain, the magicka cost is spent however the ability does not trigger.

Aspect of Terror <Mass Hysteria> and <Manifestation of Terror> – The base fear effect of 2 nearby enemies doesn’t appear to last the suggested 4 seconds all the time. It is often between 1.5 – 4 seconds.

Siphoning:

Strife <Funnel Health> – On occasion it doesn’t apply to anyone.

Strife <Funnel Health> – Doesn’t appear to be healing allies for the actual amount it should be, inconsistent heal effects.

Cripple <Debilitate> and <Crippling Grasp> – The dot effect of this ability does not work on mobs that are immune to snare effects.

Siphoning Strikes <Leeching Strike> – Only gives an extra 2.4% health instead of the expected 4%. This I've confirmed myself.

Drain Power <Sap Essence> – Is unable to perform a critical strike for both the damage and healing component of this ability.

Drain Power <Sap Essence> – Will not cast the heal effect unless the enemy is being damaged.

Drain Power <Sap Essence> – Heals only for the base amount, and the +20% heal per target hit is never applied.

Idrinkwhatibrew · May 2014

.........sigh........

Draconiuos · May 2014

norm_voshall wrote: »

. It does show you that some weapons (2h) are junk but, VR is mostly about not taking damage.

I have to disagree. I use two handed weapons in VR content and they work great.

XyriasThiddex · May 2014

Idrinkwhatibrew wrote: »

You say it is a "Play as you want" game. Well I'm sure there will be many people on here saying "learn to play your class", "learn to play". blah blah blah. Well I'm VR3 atm almost VR4 and I can tell you for a Night Blade the Vet content is hard. I played DK and Sorc in beta and decided since it was "play as you want", I would make a Heavy NB. Well I can tell you I've spent literally over 100K on respecs, just since i hit VR1 alone. I've tried medium armor, light armor, heavy armor. I'm maxed in all class abilities, I'm maxed in all weapons minus resto staff, so yes I've tried them all. It is almost stupid how hard it is to Solo on the VR levels. Now if you are playing a DK or Sorc and wanna chime in and tell me how you are VR 2000, great, i'm happy for you. I've seen a few posts, and i haven't been digging, about how NB is pretty much confined to a single target DSP. Well I can confirm this. You say "play as you want". But it appears that unless i'm sneaking up on someone and stealth killing them, i'm pretty much worthless. So all I ask is at least tell the truth zenna. I mean really, I'm not a group dungeon player, I'm not a "i got my guild to help me" player. Tell me how is a NB suppose to beat the VR content unless I got a buddy with me? Seriously.

And exactly why i canceled my sub 10 mins ago. V5 cant afford respecs, already have points in cc and self heals, heavy armor, duel wield and cant kill anything, can take 2 with a bow if i get the jump on them but 3 people lol. Roll a new class? no way aint going through that again, same story for everyone and every class..

i dont want to face stomp everything, but when looking at 3 people and thinking if i kill 1 then respawn i have a shot at getting past them

And the quest bosses are even worse.

paradoxorganisationb16_ESO · May 2014

Draconiuos wrote: »

norm_voshall wrote: »

. It does show you that some weapons (2h) are junk but, VR is mostly about not taking damage.

I have to disagree. I use two handed weapons in VR content and they work great.

Totally off topic but it may have more to do with your other skills. 2hander is by far the worst weapon line in the game and have been stated/proven/theorycrafted numerous places.

Draconiuos · May 2014

XyriasThiddex wrote: »

And exactly why i canceled my sub 10 mins ago. V5 cant afford respecs, already have points in cc and self heals, heavy armor, duel wield and cant kill anything, can take 2 with a bow if i get the jump on them but 3 people lol. Roll a new class? no way aint going through that again, same story for everyone and every class..

i dont want to face stomp everything, but when looking at 3 people and thinking if i kill 1 then respawn i have a shot at getting past them And the quest bosses are even worse.

Bye, can I have your gold. Just a thing, but you don't have to do VR content. That armor/dmg boost for equipment from VR1 to VR10 is not actually that large. It is called Veteran Content for a reason, it is not for everyone.

Estwing · May 2014

norm_voshall wrote: »

Estwing wrote: »

VR content is made for a group more and you also need to make sure you actually put points in Health.

Completely incorrect. VR content is all about knowing the mechanics of the game and how to mitigate/avoid damage. It does show you that some weapons (2h) are junk but, VR is mostly about not taking damage. It is CRAZY easy to avoid damage in this game if you are a proficient player. Occasionally bad luck will befall you and you will get Dark Talons on you and then AOE'd but, things happen. There are plenty of VR players that aren't struggling with the content. I know you don't want to hear it but, it really is a L2P issue.

VR should be how the entire game should be. 1-50 is a total faceroll. You can pretty much just power through everything. This changes once you get to VR and single spells/aoes can do lots of damage. Blocking, Dodging, and Interrupting are VERY important to being a competent VR player.

Did you not hear the interview they had abut VR content? They said it was made for groups more but I guess I don't know anything. I also said more which doesn't mean only, I soloed 90% of the VR content minus the Dolmen and World Bosses. it was touch at times but it was fun to have a challenge for a change in a MMO.

norm_voshall · May 2014

Estwing wrote: »

norm_voshall wrote: »

Estwing wrote: »

VR content is made for a group more and you also need to make sure you actually put points in Health.

Completely incorrect. VR content is all about knowing the mechanics of the game and how to mitigate/avoid damage. It does show you that some weapons (2h) are junk but, VR is mostly about not taking damage. It is CRAZY easy to avoid damage in this game if you are a proficient player. Occasionally bad luck will befall you and you will get Dark Talons on you and then AOE'd but, things happen. There are plenty of VR players that aren't struggling with the content. I know you don't want to hear it but, it really is a L2P issue.

VR should be how the entire game should be. 1-50 is a total faceroll. You can pretty much just power through everything. This changes once you get to VR and single spells/aoes can do lots of damage. Blocking, Dodging, and Interrupting are VERY important to being a competent VR player.

Did you not hear the interview they had abut VR content? They said it was made for groups more but I guess I don't know anything. I also said more which doesn't mean only, I soloed 90% of the VR content minus the Dolmen and World Bosses. it was touch at times but it was fun to have a challenge for a change in a MMO.

So despite the actual FACT that you can solo everything except for the specific group required content (world bosses and dolmens) you still claim it's designed for groups because you saw one interview from (probably) development that said it was group oriented...You don't see a failure in logic there?

That's like Toyota saying they designed this vehicle to be a sports car. It ended up being a truck but, we still call it a sports car.

Jhonleon89 · May 2014

i blame wow for this i hope they dont nerf anything!

Attorneyatlawl · May 2014

Napkins wrote: »

try using block or CC. does wonders for staying alive.

Jhonleon89 wrote: »

i blame wow for this i hope they dont nerf anything!

Agreed with both of you 100%. It's simply not very difficult content as is except for a handful of caster bosses, and those aren't incredibly tough either.

You can indeed play as you want. Just don't expect to win. It's a free build system, not a free win one.

Kiwi · May 2014

its the long list of broken skills, not the content

Worstluck · May 2014

Nightblade, almost veteran rank 8...I can attest to the broken skills, vague descriptions in the tooltips, and lack of balancing with the class...however, I've not had all that much trouble, if any at all with the veteran content. I've cleared every zone, cept for bugged quests, did a few group instanced dungeons, did all the public dungeons. I play mainly as leather bow and dw, but if I can't take down a boss I can switch to heavy 1h and shield..usually play tank in a group. I leveled from one 1-50 with a destro/resto staves combo, easy. I could go back to that if I want, so yeah, it is play how you want. I think tonight I may try vampire again for kicks before it's nerfed. Granted I've probably respecced maybe 10 times

The class needs work, but it's serviceable as long as you use decent skills and morphs, and yeah use CC.

edit: ok so tried out vampire again...guess what, i've probably died 20 times (not counting cyrodiil), guess i need to change my tactics (wtb fire resist). 1h and shield and absorb magic is a lifesaver. still fun though

flintstone · May 2014

I'm VR4 and a half right now and have played solo except for the help I pick up along the way (usually unexpected....but grateful). I'm 63 and this is my first MMO.........very hard, but I'm having a ball. Playing solo requires a lot of sneaking, waiting, and thought.

blackwolf7 · May 2014

Nightblade is hard modr but definitely doable.

Ive tried sorcs , dk, templar and what i can say is that sorcs and dks facerolls everything in vr content. Templar is still easy though not faceroll.

Among the 4 classes nightblade is definitely more fun. When you encounter mobs of 3 or more, you cant faceroll it like dks and sorcs so you have to plan in advance who to take out first and who to cc etc etc.

Im having fun with nightblade except when doing dungeons they suck in dungeons

Hexi · May 2014

It's fine, for the most part. However, things like Trolls at v7 and up just not worth the effort to kill. Harvesters? Unkillable. Dagger throwing mobs need to have the damage of the dagger throw reduced a bit.

Apart from these few examples, the only thing I die to is my own carelessness. Though a slight toning down might be in order across the board, if only on the HP department because it becomes tedious.