My guilds been ran into the ground since new leadership took over

Cc: @Emperorsplishy

Parrot1986 wrote: »

My guilds been ran into the ground since new leadership took over

Cc: @Emperorsplishy

Confirmed and reported mate 👍

PVP Guild
Social Guild
Trading Guild
Trials Guild

all quite active, but admittedly more active in Discord than in-game chat, although part of that is probably because the social guild is massive and split over like 4-5 actual in-game guilds.

Emperorsplishy wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

My guilds been ran into the ground since new leadership took over

Cc: @Emperorsplishy

We had a thriving raid guild until a hurricane came in and blew half the players away

Hurricane Sarah was a strong one

My own social guild is fairly active, and I currently only have about 120 members. We're growing, though, mostly through members who invite their friends. We do two official events a week right now, usually a contest of some kind or an event aimed at leveling newer players, and a dungeon or trial run on the weekend. The officers do a lot of chat call-outs for various activities through the week, too, something I really appreciate, and they donate tons of goodies for me to give away to the guildies with no bank access. Hopefully we will grow, but I honestly am okay with growing slowly and integrating new members properly as opposed to rushing it, and ending up with icky guild drama blowing the whole thing apart. (I've seen that happen so, so many times.)

I play off-peak hours on PC-NA, usually sometime between noon-ish and 5pm-ish EST.

I'm currently in three guilds,

one is dead, there might be one other player logged on, I'm not sure why I haven't just left that one...

another usually has a few (4-5) people logged in but nobody talks,

the last one usually has 25-40ish players online but still it's basically dead as no one talks (unless somebody is giving away free stuff) or seems to want to run group content outside of a few people that just run with a few other people.
I've tried to organize some events/activities but... people don't seem to be too interested and it's also a bit difficult to absolutely guarantee when I'll be able to get online due to IRL commitments and trying to get something going on the fly doesn't seem to work.

I've thought about starting a guild focusing on players that play these off-peak hours but again with the IRL commitments vs game commitments.

I've also actively sought out a guild that has off-peak players that will talk and participate and it always goes that they say "yeah, we're super active and everybody helps everybody out & we have lot's of people that are on at those times and blah blah blah..." then I get in the guild and try to talk to people (in chat or discord) or organize something and it's just crickets in response outside of a basic "hello", or there's one other person online and it's crickets.

feels bad, :'(

I think it's killing my desire to play this game anymore really

The last time I was in an truly active guild was when I was able to play during peak hours a few years ago.

I'm not in a guild and I couldn't care less.

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

francesinhalover wrote: »

being honest, guilds in this game are horrible. the system itself is bad.

players should had been able to get 2, maybe 3 guilds max and that's it.

The fact there's 5 means that at least 4 or 3 of the guilds players have are there just because.

All guild chats i am on are always dead, because there's no point investing time on a guild when they already have "better" ones.

plus the fact you get kicked after 7-30 days... yeah no, i couldn't care less about guilds on this game.

That being said, idk why ppl keep saying this game is dying. like, are we playing the same game? On steamcharts the population barely decreased and there's been months where the decreases where WOW!!!! compared to this past 2 months.
Second, all my dungeon queues (when i play dps) are faster. I used to wait 30 mins. I don't even play at time's where most ppl are online.

Guilds are like people, you have to find the right fit for your personality, play style, frequency of play, and interests. 5 guild slots are necessary due to there being different types of guilds in ESO such as end game, trading, RP, etc. In fact like another poster I'd love to have more slots since I've come across many excellent guilds that I'd love to join but don't have to room. I've made excellent friends in guilds and wholeheartedly recommend them...just keep looking until you find the right one.

Regarding your queue statement, If you are popping as DPS a lot quicker in U35 than before in U34 that's because there are fewer DPS queuing which would indicate a loss of DPS players. Given that DPS was reduced by around 30% it's conceivable that many DPS players went on hiatus until next patch, or even longer until U37 or 39 when they think the damage from U35 will be walked back. Trying to fill DPS slots in my trials has been a herculean effort as there is less interest from DPS post U35 due to fewer active DPS players in my guilds and even filling DPS slots in zone chat is very difficult with multiple people in different high traffic zones advertising slots.

eh many of us arent coming back at this point , ZOS broke what little trust they had over this update that wasnt doing what they were toting as their "vision" of accessibility but instead was intended to attack (ie nerf) stuff based on the top 1% players.....im sorry but what kind of devs EVER think thats a good idea? this is how you start killing off your game , getting so fixated on doing all your balancing based on the SMALLEST player base (RIP wildstar who catered to the same crowd) that your actions actually affect the whole of the players , which do not really perform nowhere near that top 1% because , thats kinda why theyre the top 1% , a massive skill difference (and likely in some cases hardware / internet speed being pretty dam high ontop of the skill difference). this petty patch punished all of the players to the point where i saw ppl saying they dont want to group with randoms for dungeons , and i cant blame them tbh with how badly ZOS [snip] this (btw i will not be surprised at ZOS censoring this under the claim of "bashing" as they went onto doing as U35 went live to make things seem not as worse , which also was a VERY horrible PR move as well for them). as much as i loved the game , i dont care that devs do this , i didnt take it when Division 2 devs talked down to their players saying use a 3rd party site to find a raid group so their streamers could get world 1sts and get their pictures forever taunting the players ingame. Bad practices do not deserve to be supported plain and simple , and i m sure the white knights will come at me hard for this ontop of the moderators censoring on the forums.

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Your voting does not differentiate between multiple guilds - I am, technically, in 4 guilds - One is mine, and consists solely of people I know in real life ... since we cannot compartmentalize our friend's list, this gives me a means of knowing when they are on, as I prioritize my time with them, first.

My second is a trade guild .... I joined to have a place to sell all the excess stuff - and we do chat some... but it's moderately quiet. My third is dead - we went from 331 members pre U35 to 23, as of earlier today. It was entirely based on running various dungeons, etc..... you would post what you wanted to run, and people would jump on -- pre U35, it was hopping, and if you didn't answer FAST, you probably didn't get a slot, as every run would fill in minutes. Now... the remaining few of us say hi to each other, and if there are enough of us on, we might try and do something.

My 4th was a VERY large guild prior to U35, and is very casual, mostly helping other people enjoy the game .... and it had a huge discord group ... since U35, that has dropped, and I want to say that the log on numbers are about half what they used to be... as in, people are logging in, but where each chapter of the guild would have had 200 to sometimes 300 people on at once... since U35, that has dropped to 70 to 150 or so..... and many people are logging in to get their daily, do a few writs, and then back off, or off to another game.

I expect that many are just taking a break, due to fatigue, and waiting for things to stabilize ... many have said that they are just waiting to see what next year's arc is going to be, and making a decision from there ... in Discord, we have added new categories for Black Sands, Albion, Blessed, and others ... and many people are there. ESO used to be 1 of 3 games we had, but is now 1 of 9 or 10... and not the most popular, anymore.

Overall, on our discord .... we've seen a significant drop in people talking about ESO, or making plans for things in ESO.......

I know that they can crowd more people into fewer layers, and make it look like there are just as many people on..... but, like any poll or statistic, you can infer from a group the health of the whole.

Steam shows a drop, and outside of using Steam, there is no outlying difference between them and say groups that use console..... simply put, it's not like elves can only log through steam, so it only shows elf numbers..... and can be considered a good sample for poll data. And utilizing it as a poll sample, there is a drop ... maybe not fatal, and maybe not permanent, but it is there, now... and it is having an effect.

My grandson's Xbox no longer openly pushes ESO .... he quit playing after U35 as he says it feels like a different, less fun, game, than it was ..... and that most of his friends have also left for other games..... the computer we were building, because he wanted to run with his grandfather has also been put on hold, as he is not sure he wants to bother getting on, now. The other day he showed me what the console server looked like, and it was pretty much a ghost town......

My trade guild is seeing differences in the way sales were from before to after U35 .... enough that we can tell there are less buyers... and the ones remaining are pretty specific in what they are buying.

Do I think the game is dying... no, not yet.... but it has been wounded. It could be a period of transition to something better... or could be the first step in dying.... not being psychic, I am not making a prediction. And I would ask, anyone trying to make any firm statement that it is either dying, or not, also please send me some lottery numbers..... I'd appreciate it.

I do think that fatigue, and the constant "this is meta"... nope, "that is meta"..... well, everyone is doing this, so we are nerfing it..... now they do this, and we can nerf that too..... coming down from above is just getting to the last nerve on many people. They nerfed healing ... so people started using Resolving Vigor to carry their own healing ... trading out a slot to have that, and rather than look at why it was happening, they have decided to punish the players, yet again, with another nerf.

It feels like you can "play as you want" as long as you "play how we tell you that you want, because you aren't smart enough to choose yourself, and if you don't obey, we will keep punishing you".....
Whether that is what is happening, or we are having a grand coincidence of issue... again, I cannot say.
But, the phrase, "the beatings will continue until morale improves" is starting to gain some substance.

Auldwulfe

Between the toxic community issues, high prices, balancing issues, general content this year, and a few other things like IRL issues, my guild is all but dead.


During the Skyrim stuff last year, we were going strong, meeting weekly, and having a good time. Once it was over, we took a break and with how this year is going, the general reaction was "meh..." and NO ONE in the guild re-upped their sub, including me. It's a shame and i'm certainly missing my craft bag access but it just wasn't worth it to me.

I'll be curious to see what they have planned for next year but this year was tougher on the guild for a lot of the same reasons i see others posting.

It's a little quiet, but definitely picked up since last year. Last year it was dead, maybe 4 or 5 of us at most in chat. In our case it's probably that myself and other officers have regained some lost interest and started running guild events again has brought some people out of the woodwork.

I picked wrongly. The guilds I'm in are active, I'm the one who is less involved. It's been a busy summer.

Dragonlord573 wrote: »

Dead as hell. I've tried three separate times to get a guild going and all three times it ends up the same: dead. Made a guild when I started. I would invite new players and the like all the time. It never got active, only reached 34 members.

Made a second guild, dedicated to DKs cause how many DK focused guilds are there? We got to 43 members, we were recruiting constantly, but life got in the way and the recruiting stopped. The guild was somewhat active and then it went dark. High Isle comes out and I get fired up, redid a lot of stuff with the guild and was having fun doing that, and tried recruiting again.

U35 came out and I left until recently. Came back to find 3 active members. ._.

Guild stuff is hard.

You need to recruit very very very actively and standout if you want to have any semblance of a presence.

I reopened Casual Filth in March. We're constantly at 400+ members with an inactivity kick at 21 days. It'd be longer, but we hit 500 too often for that.

In GW2 and WF we're constantly at 200+ members and our Discord is nearly breaking 700.

Active recruitment and you gotta standout. If you're not unique, there's no reason for anyone to join you.

I think everyone saying U35 is killing the game is using a handful of guilds to make claims they're already leaning towards.

My guild is absolutely thriving, and so many I know are too.

It's all about perspective, and maybe you're just in a dead guild, not a dead game?