Bat wrote: »

Sell 25 items to a merchant, up from sell 10.
Pick 5 locks, up from 3.
Extract 10 items at an Enchanting table, up from 5.
Kill 3 delve bosses in Grahtwood, up from 2.

And that idea about endeavors being able to just get while playing normally? Entirely abandoned, evidently. And then they wonder why we have trust issues, lol.

I don't know what you do in your game, but these things I can complete without even checking the endeavors list.

Unless I want to farm chests: for lock picking, I choose a manor that has 3 entry doors, such as the one in Glenumbra, and if I am lucky, the manor will have 2 lock boxes too.

I don't even look to see what the endeavors are most of the time but every day I see the message on the screen when they get completed. Generally, I get all 3 dailies done but sometimes just 1 or 2 because I don't see the 3/3 completed message.

If you think of it as a grind because it is something you don't want to do, then for you it will be a grind because you made it one yourself.

I had well over 25 things to sell from just going through one delve for the other endeavor.

I normally force locks and sell glyphs so I do have to consciously think about those. But it's pretty easy to accumulate glyphs as drops.

Bat wrote: »

chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »

For the sell items to a merchant, keep a stack of any item and just sell it then buy it back when the endeavor pops up.

I mean, that's good advice but it's not the most grindy of today's, and it's a bit beside the point. The point is they clearly have allowed for a slippery slope model to be enacted in regards of setting parameters for daily endeavors. They're expecting more and more of us, and more and more of us to go entirely out of our way from our normal play of the day, to get these completed.

I can literally think of no one who would do many of these things in a normal play session.

I do these 3 nearly every session:
Sell 25 items to a merchant, up from sell 10.
Pick 5 locks, up from 3.
Extract 10 items at an Enchanting table, up from 5.

Fight three dragons, run the mages and undaunted guild dailies, couple zone dailies and I'll have those 3 done easily.

They did raise the bar a tad, but it's not like it's doubled and for an average session I see the 3 above being done without having to go out of one's way to do them.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Pick locks, sell items, and repair are all ones I still see people getting done in the background.

People who are doing pledges and a rnd each day are probably gonna come across 5 locks. Also people who steal a lot. With the event going on, more people are going to be doing dungeons.

Merchant one is easy to get through playing with just selling junk, I got it passively doing my daily tidy up of my bag.

Repair is something PvPers do constantly.

I agree the delve boss one is something people probably have to go out of their way to do since it's in a specific location.

Enchanting one will probably also go out of their way to do, because it's so many of them now

I always do the crafting/decon related ones while doing my daily writs.

Craft 10 woodworking pieces... Easy, craft 7 extra bows with the writ.

Decon 10 runes.. craft 10 extra for the writ and immediately decon then.

Plus, the writs themselves usually drop enough junk to sell for that endeavor as well. Or just sell 25 soul gems from the thousands I have just sitting around being useless most of the time.

They msy have gone up in quantity required true. Doesn't make them any more difficult.

In the beginning the daily endeavors were more generous. It was fairly common to have days when you could get 60 in total. Once - but only once - it was even 90. Now it's always 30-45. Devs have been raising the daily tasks without raising the rewards.

My response to this? Even more enthusiasm for completing the endeavors, so I can buy expensive stuff without spending a single real world dime. Granted, I can't buy a lot, but the satisfaction remains.

stevenyaub16_ESO wrote: »

Don't do them then?

I've seen so much complaints about endeavour, maybe they should just remove it altogether.

Nah, I wanna get my 16K endeavor mount as I only have 14 months left!

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

I'm unimpressed with the concept of sending so many players to rather specific locations like delves or public dungeons in a particular zone to kill bosses. Predictably, the dungeon(s) that are specified are full of players with the same idea. All standing around in waiting for bosses to respawn and hoping to get at least a couple light attacks in before the boss dies. If the idea is to kill delve or public dungeon bosses, don't specify a zone. If the idea is to get people into a certain zone, choose an activity that can handle large numbers of players like any WB in zone X or, even better, any dolmen in zone X.

Currently the endeavor is an exercise in frustration that causes player to resent the presence of other players. Redoing it to a Harrowstorm/Geyser/WB in DLC zones transforms it into an event where lotsa players in one place is a good thing.

I love these ideas! Make it so, ZOS! 😊

Bat wrote: »

This post is not about whether or not these endeavors are easy or difficult to complete. It's about ZOS continuously asking more of us in terms of getting them completed, to the point where many of them are just matter of fact not activities that many of us would do in a normal play session; whereas it was originally claimed by ZOS that they would be of a character that would allow people to just complete them during normal play sessions without having to think about them.

When SoE were new, I never had to go out of my way to complete any of them. Nowadays, on most days, I have to go entirely out of my way to complete most of them. This was the point; I don't care whether or nor individuals on forums find them "easy" to complete, and I wasn't arguing any of the examples I gave are "difficult" to complete.

Unfortunately you can't really make generalisations like this because you have no way of knowing what "many of us" are doing or how we are playing.

Even if you made a poll, you'd only be getting the opinion of the people who play who also use the forum.

I'm only speaking for myself when I say that the endeavours don't make be play harder, they make me play smarter. I'll look at the endeavours as soon as I log in (or even beforehand if I check https://benevolentbowd.ca/games/esotu/eso-endeavors/ ) and see how I can fold the endeavours into my daily routine rather than go out of my way to do endeavours AND THEN do whatever else.

opalcity wrote: »

Mik195 wrote: »

I wish people would be more thoughtful at the delve bosses. Its great that you can kill the boss in 0.25 seconds, but you don't have to. Give everyone a chance to get a hit in, please. It not like it takes time to get the boss down even if everyone is taking a hit and stepping back.

Its like with the kill x atronachs - if peeps just stuck to using light attacks, everyone could get a hit in and we could all get done together.

This, note it has an direct benefit for you to in that people who has killed more than you will be finished faster and leave.

Some endeavors are quick and easy if you think of the best way to do them.

* Sell 25 items to a merchant — I almost always have stacks trash potions that drop while playing, so I sell a stack of those, and, if I actually might need them, I promptly buy them back. Or you can pull up the latest list of items you recently sold to merchants, buy them back, and then resell them.

* Lockpick 5 chests — go to one of the starter isles where there are lots of chests. Done in no time (assuming I remember to pick the locks instead of just breaking them open). Starter isles are also good for the collect 8-10 resources of whatever type, since the resources are usually close together. Or just use a couple of survey maps.

* Group bosses, I.e., world bosses for me since I’m usually soloing — pick the ones near wayshrines, like the one just outside Glenumbra. Either wait for his respawn or choose a similar close-to-wayshrine WB.

* Kill X-number mobs — you quickly learn where lots of whatever mob types spawn if you do the endeavors regularly. Sometimes just jumping into a dungeon and doing the first room will fulfill this. I.e., Spindleclutch for spiders.

* Repair damage to keeps in Cyrodiil— I don’t PvP, but I always do this one since it’s so quick. Jump to a campaign where your alliance is ahead and port to any keep you own. Chances are there will be walls that are not up to 100 percent, often right in the keep you ported to. Use a couple of wall repair kits, and boom, you’re done.

* Even if the endeavor is the slightly harder one — do X amount of damage with siege engines, it’s pretty easy, too. Check out the nearest enemy keep, preferably one that is not under attack if you’re not a PvPer. Set up siege in a safe distance from the central flag at one of the resources and siege the guards surrounding the flag a few times. They usually just stand there & heal up until you can attack them again. When the endeavor is complete, stow siege, walk to the flag, and get blood ported back to home base.