This is mixing two different aspect of speed-running like most similar thread:
1. Rushing through mobs without fighting.
2. Jumping off waterfalls.

I don't like 1 myself, but it is not easy to solve without some arbitrary mechanic, which would do more bad than good probably.
I jump off waterfall in FG1, if 2 first members of group jump off waterfall and I don`t jump, if one (or both) of 2 first members start fighting with mobs near. Last shouldn't be last if they want to have some saying about it.

Most of PUGs group want jump off waterfall in FG1. Only from time to time, there is somebody who don`t. So, I don't understand, why should be punished majority of players, because they differ from your playstyle.

The way I see it is this: If you're in a group, then majority rules. Because in a group with 4 people, everyone's opinion is of equal worth, which means your opinion is only 1/4th important.

If the majority wants to rush, then you got to rush.

If the majority wants to take it slow, then you got to take it slow.

Anyone who deviates from the majority is in the wrong and should do the dungeon solo instead or with a pre-made group of like-minded individuals. This is why PUGs are basically a gamble; you never know what sort of people you're going to get, but you have to respect their desires as being equal to your own.

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In the same token, I don't think trapping the waterfall is going to do anything. I've seen people skip the Taskmaster, in spite of him aggroing, so it's proof to me that people won't care if they have to "take the long way" and aggro stuff along the way to reach the boss.

Also, I realized very recently that the Crab boss resets if you head into the final boss arena, which means it doesn't even follow you even if you aggro it.

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The solution is simple. Make the trash meaningful so that they will not loop back to starting point. If a group wipes the trash they are put back at the last boss defeated. In other words, make it so they have to be killed.

Players run past them because of the design. Zenimax has full control and basically allows permits this behavior by the way they design their dungeons.

TheDarkRuler wrote: »

I would love if ZoS would eventually just add some punishments for rushers into some dungeons.
Adding a death-zone at the floor of that waterfall would discourage people from skipping.
So people would play the dungeons as intended and not skipping half the bosses.

Oh, and please just add that stuff without noticing it in the changelogs for extra spicyness.

My proposal: add a heavy debuff on health/dps/resource recovery to the player that's not in range of the others.

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

So I can just sit back at entrance and get the whole party killed?

All this does is encourage more toxic behavior.

My advice, create/join a guild of like minded individuals designed to go the speed you want to complete content the way you want to.

I'm seeing that people think the overwhelming majority are folks wanting to do quests. I run a lot of pug dungeons daily and in the last week I can think of exactly 2 times that I got someone who needed a quest or didn't want to rush. One told us they were doing the quest and we just said ok and waited for him, second was a guy about 160cp so we asked and he said yes so we made sure he could get his quest. To be clear though out of the 80+ dungeons I've run this week I've had 2 out of that that weren't planning to speed run it. If you need the quest or want to go slow speak up. Especially during the event you are in the minority.

Emmagoldman wrote: »

If I random, I don't care how it is played, as that is the risk of being with random people. If I really want to explore and take in a new dungeon, I run with people in guild.

This is a good point. When queueing for a random group, one is explicitly asking for random interests and random ability levels, and pretty much random everything.

The solution to getting a random group is to actually form the group.

Just remove Dungeon Finder and add Party Finder. Ppl will be able to look for players who have the same target as them and wont have to deal with ppl who want to play diffrent.
Any type of punishment is a no go as it will affect innocent players.

I don't get it, what's your problem with skipping? You don't value your time or what? If that's the case, then just solo it.

Memory_In_Motion wrote: »

Iron_Warrior wrote: »

Toxic rusher here. Don't want to see me in your queue? Then queue with a premade group of like minded people!

why do you get to have ownership of the dungeon. Why not you go find a group of like minded folk... or better yet solo it without queueing and leave the rest of us be at peace.

Wait, i have the ownership of the dungeon? Because as far as i know i can get kicked if all 3 people want to be at peace.
And no i'm not going to form a premade because i don't have a problem with people in my random groups. Also no i'm not going to solo it, because there is no solo random queue with transmutes as reward, if there was i would've gladly used it, at least my pale order becomes stronger when i'm solo!

Solo Story Difficulty for Group Dungeons would solve everything.

Arunei wrote: »

Iron_Warrior wrote: »

Toxic rusher here. Don't want to see me in your queue? Then queue with a premade group of like minded people!

Or, just hear me out here, you should be considerate of the people wanting to queue randoms and actually do dungeons, and form your own group of like-minded people? Funny how that advice works both ways, huh? If you don't want to take the time to form a group, then don't sit there and preach at the other side that they should instead.

It absolutely works both ways. A few people have pointed that out here already, and I've said as much in other topics related to this which pop up. Most people are courteous enough if someone has a quest, but people need to speak up because most people don't want to needlessly hang around in a dungeon they've done for the umpteenth time. In a random group with random people, majority vote wins. It's almost like democrecy. If you don't like someone rushing ahead in your group (hint: it's not your group), you are free to vote kick them. If it doesn't pass, you are the odd one out and must accept it and either keep up or leave the group.

Might sound apathetic and unfair, but no one person gets to dictate policy in a group of random players. Not the speed runner, not the person who wants to do the quest, not the person who wants to hunt for a book, and not the person who wants to loot every basket. Your goals might not necessarily align with the person rushing to the last boss.

The person who is rushing might not align with the three people who want to do a quest. While I personally go at the speed of the slowest member in the group (with some caveats; I'm not going to stand around while people loot every crate, sack of spice, or basket of apples along the way), to ensure they don't end up dying to a pack of uncontrolled mobs, especially if they're low CP, I fully understand why people do rush. For the most part, the people rushing to the last boss are not the people making topics talking about how slow people are in dungeons, it's the other way around; if they were, I would be saying the same thing (and have said the same thing in the past) because it deos, indeed, work both ways. It's the same policy for [insert fake role here], too. At the end of the day, you do as the group does, you can attempt a vote to kick, or you make your own group. It shouldn't be up to ZOS to police (create a death wall, in the example from the original poster) player/community etiquette in dungeons.

Wolf_Eye wrote: »

In the same token, I don't think trapping the waterfall is going to do anything.

One could also argue that the waterfall, at this stage in the game's life, is actually intended.

TheDarkRuler wrote: »

So people would play the dungeons as intended and not skipping half the bosses.

Who, except for ZOS, is to say what is intended?

Additionally, instead of a death wall, wouldn't it make more sense to simply make it so you can't jump up via the rocks? Consider an example being Ruins of Mazzatun, which underwent a few changes since release to prevent skipping in certain areas, where invisible walls were inserted and even mementos as a whole were changed as a direct result of players skipping / exploiting. Fungal Grotto I is very clearly not unintended.

First of all.
I never did such a rush FG1 before, but when I got into a group with the other three going for that shrugged my shoulders and went along.
And had lots of fun doing a dozen runs or so in an hour mindless farming.

TheDarkRuler wrote: »

I would love if ZoS would eventually just add some punishments for rushers into some dungeons.
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Adding a death-zone at the floor of that waterfall would discourage people from skipping.
So people would play the dungeons as intended and not skipping half the bosses.

Oh, and please just add that stuff without noticing it in the changelogs for extra spicyness.

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You want to exclude rushers from participating in their way in GF groups by imposing rules from "above".

I don't like it when "above" steers our freedom and behavior with many rules. I rather see them faciliating what is desired for.

I don't like solutions that exclude others.

Iron_Warrior wrote: »

Toxic rusher here. Don't want to see me in your queue? Then queue with a premade group of like minded people!

You want to exclude people using the GF who want to do the dungeon their way, the whole dungeon as basically intended.

And the same to your post:
I don't like solutions that exclude others.

Iron_Warrior wrote: »

hrothbern wrote: »

And the same to your post:
I don't like solutions that exclude others.

There is no need for a new solution, it's already there. Go on use the activity finder, and when you've found the group then speak up! I say you'll have a 95% success rate this way. But if you stay silent, i'm going to rush and i'm going to drag you to the boss room. I want my stones and have no intereset in enjoying the scenery of fungal grotto for the 1000th time.

Now let's say you've spoke up but i'm still rushing. Then use the other tool, Vote to kick! And if people don't agree, you have to adapt or leave and when you left you can either form a premade or repeat this proccess again. Maybe the point of these threads is to try and force everybody to play the game the way these people want which ironically very toxic (looks like we are not so different after all!)

P.S: when i say you in this post, i'm not talking about you hrothbern, i'm just talking about the people that make these threads in general

yes
Talk with eachother if there is a smaller or bigger misfit is what I see as normal behavior as well.
Sort it out (for at least that dungeon)... or leave... or kick...