for 1. according to the devs in the patch notes the animation was changed due to the timing (duration of .8 sec instead 1 sec)

now, why they used a specific spear model instead of their old light spear, i have no idea, and it didnt seem to be necessary to do that

for 2. i still use jabs as the main spammable on my templar and his overall effectiveness hasnt changed at all, with absolutely 0 build changes

3. i still enjoy the class, and its still my highest dps character lol

My answer to 4: For now I've shelved my magplar dps and changed to magblade. My stamplar I'm changing over to a tank. No change to my healer.

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

for 1. according to the devs in the patch notes the animation was changed due to the timing (duration of .8 sec instead 1 sec)

now, why they used a specific spear model instead of their old light spear, i have no idea, and it didnt seem to be necessary to do that

for 2. i still use jabs as the main spammable on my templar and his overall effectiveness hasnt changed at all, with absolutely 0 build changes

3. i still enjoy the class, and its still my highest dps character lol

You're in the minority. I'm right there with you by the way. I don't get the people are saying this class is unplayable now or that they can't enjoy the class now. I get people hate change but some people are being pretty extreme on this.

How do you play a game for a decade in less than 8 years?

UnabashedlyHonest wrote: »

Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »

OBJnoob wrote: »

Unpopular opinion: the amount of outcry over the changes to a single skill only goes to show how overpowered it truly was... Where people thatve been playing templar for a "decade" literally can't figure out what to do without it. There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!

And again, just to reiterate, if you try ALL of these and dont like them or they don't do enough damage then please consider how overpowered it was to have an aoe spammable that did all it did and still do more single target damage than anything I just mentioned.

I posted a thread and one of my points why they changed it is because it was too strong. It did too much for 1 button push. And templar has so much more than spamming jabs.

They didn't just nerf jabs. They also nerfed sweeps and power of the light. They nerfed all three of the main skills templars use at the same time. They did, in fact, make templars the weakest class in one single update.

Oh don't act like that means anything. Every class has been weakest. And some nerfs were needed. Templar is still the easy class to play that still kicks butt.

UnabashedlyHonest wrote: »

Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »

OBJnoob wrote: »

Unpopular opinion: the amount of outcry over the changes to a single skill only goes to show how overpowered it truly was... Where people thatve been playing templar for a "decade" literally can't figure out what to do without it. There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!

And again, just to reiterate, if you try ALL of these and dont like them or they don't do enough damage then please consider how overpowered it was to have an aoe spammable that did all it did and still do more single target damage than anything I just mentioned.

I posted a thread and one of my points why they changed it is because it was too strong. It did too much for 1 button push. And templar has so much more than spamming jabs.

They didn't just nerf jabs. They also nerfed sweeps and power of the light. They nerfed all three of the main skills templars use at the same time. They did, in fact, make templars the weakest class in one single update.

They nerfed 'one button power'. That's all, a single button. So instead of '50k jabs dps' you get '25k jabs dps unless you use other skills like every class has to'.

Allowing Jabs to be so powerful in it's own right was the broken aspect, not the corrective change that allowed it to be a balanced, if somewhat still powerful, move.

Jabs went from 25k (thanks to the light proc) down to 14k plus most of the light proc. Still stronger than a 12k Rapid Strikes, but now balanced to be a sensible move.

It shows a lot of people only played Templar so they could 1 button kill everything - not a healthy attitude.

Agreed on all points, OP. I have no joy whatsoever in the class right now, after over 8k hours playing Templars in all roles. I prefer them in werewolf form right now as dds so I'm not assaulted by the hideous new jabs "animation", if I have to play one.

People acting like having a lot of damage on just one skill is bad lol. If you want to reach 100k+ you're still going to need other skills other than jabs, it was an accessible class available for everyone that wanted that playstyle, if you don't want it, don't use it but I'm seeing so much gaslighting here.

UnabashedlyHonest wrote: »

Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »

OBJnoob wrote: »

Unpopular opinion: the amount of outcry over the changes to a single skill only goes to show how overpowered it truly was... Where people thatve been playing templar for a "decade" literally can't figure out what to do without it. There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!

And again, just to reiterate, if you try ALL of these and dont like them or they don't do enough damage then please consider how overpowered it was to have an aoe spammable that did all it did and still do more single target damage than anything I just mentioned.

I posted a thread and one of my points why they changed it is because it was too strong. It did too much for 1 button push. And templar has so much more than spamming jabs.

They didn't just nerf jabs. They also nerfed sweeps and power of the light. They nerfed all three of the main skills templars use at the same time. They did, in fact, make templars the weakest class in one single update.

Oh that's why Templar is now crap in PVP.

OBJnoob wrote: »

There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!

Psijic spammable is a completely different thing, it's ranged and it doesn't work correctly under high latency or lag spikes. Not a replacement for melee magicka builds.

Vampire spammable is the single worst spammable skill in this game, and part of THE most hated and ruined skill line overall. Single target, absolutely pathetic damage for its range and no additional effects at all. And it has a really weak, unfun animation compared to the skills used by NPC vampires. Vampire fans complained about all this stuff ever since Greymoor patch went up on PTS, and it only got worse since.

Weapon skills? Why even play any specific class then? Also stamina players have 2H, DW and bow to choose from while mag players are stuck with the same staves and no alternatives.

Silver shards? Another stamina skill and it has to be picked over the other morph which provides one of a kind pulling utility. It's not exclusively a tank thing, people use it while farming experience in group arenas.

Captain_Devildog wrote: »

I think we can all agree that the jabs are unplayable compared to the one before. Not because the damage, it's because the lack of joy with the skill itself and the animation that comes with it.
I don't care if you dissagree i see what i see, the majority of MAIN Templars are struggling enjoying the game and probably switching or leaving. [Snip].

First, you don't speak for all templar players. I see a absolute ton of templar players both new and old who use the crap out of jabs still and it performs well. I had a 4 man templar group the other day and we cleared a boss so fast it didn't even get to do a single mechanic.

Also, you can't be like I think we all can agree then turn around and say i don't care if you disagree with my opinion. [Snip]. And the fact that this change to one skill makes this beloved class of yours unplayable really shows it not the class you enjoyed [Snip].

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OBJnoob wrote: »

Unpopular opinion: the amount of outcry over the changes to a single skill only goes to show how overpowered it truly was... Where people thatve been playing templar for a "decade" literally can't figure out what to do without it. There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!

And again, just to reiterate, if you try ALL of these and dont like them or they don't do enough damage then please consider how overpowered it was to have an aoe spammable that did all it did and still do more single target damage than anything I just mentioned.

Very true. Before the update I was even starting to get a little bored of my templars, because the jabs were so powerful (especially the Puncturing sweeps with its heal). It was like I had only two skills worth using, the jabs and Reflective Light. Now that the former is on par with most other skills, I find I'm getting more versatile. Now that I'm using more weapon skills and saving the jabs to a situation where I need to do both damage and heal, I seem to have more fun. I actually have to think about what other skills to choose, and the templar's proper healing skills get more use. No idea if my templar DPS is now better or worse, but at least they're good enough to solo many normal dungeons without changing anything but a skill or two.

The new jab animation is another story. It looks quite comical, and I preferred the original.

dmnqwk wrote: »

UnabashedlyHonest wrote: »

Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »

OBJnoob wrote: »

Unpopular opinion: the amount of outcry over the changes to a single skill only goes to show how overpowered it truly was... Where people thatve been playing templar for a "decade" literally can't figure out what to do without it. There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!

And again, just to reiterate, if you try ALL of these and dont like them or they don't do enough damage then please consider how overpowered it was to have an aoe spammable that did all it did and still do more single target damage than anything I just mentioned.

I posted a thread and one of my points why they changed it is because it was too strong. It did too much for 1 button push. And templar has so much more than spamming jabs.

They didn't just nerf jabs. They also nerfed sweeps and power of the light. They nerfed all three of the main skills templars use at the same time. They did, in fact, make templars the weakest class in one single update.

They nerfed 'one button power'. That's all, a single button. So instead of '50k jabs dps' you get '25k jabs dps unless you use other skills like every class has to'.

Allowing Jabs to be so powerful in it's own right was the broken aspect, not the corrective change that allowed it to be a balanced, if somewhat still powerful, move.

Jabs went from 25k (thanks to the light proc) down to 14k plus most of the light proc. Still stronger than a 12k Rapid Strikes, but now balanced to be a sensible move.

It shows a lot of people only played Templar so they could 1 button kill everything - not a healthy attitude.

Not true. They also nerfed the other main skills templars use, all in a single update. They didn't just nerf jabs. They nerfed the majority of the dps skills templars use.