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*Thousands of hours on my main Templar. (Don't know how to play now)Question for the Devs?!
Captain_Devildog
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I don't know what to spam on my Templar, i can't enjoy the class like before. After playing this game for a decade on the same class.
The problem:
Nobody knows how to play the Templar with joy and fun.
1. Why is the animation changed on the jabs?
2. What do we spam on our main Templars?
3. How can we enjoy the class after u35?
4. How do we procceed from this?
The problem:
Nobody knows how to play the Templar with joy and fun.
1. Why is the animation changed on the jabs?
2. What do we spam on our main Templars?
3. How can we enjoy the class after u35?
4. How do we procceed from this?
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Necrotech_Master✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭for 1. according to the devs in the patch notes the animation was changed due to the timing (duration of .8 sec instead 1 sec)
now, why they used a specific spear model instead of their old light spear, i have no idea, and it didnt seem to be necessary to do that
for 2. i still use jabs as the main spammable on my templar and his overall effectiveness hasnt changed at all, with absolutely 0 build changes
3. i still enjoy the class, and its still my highest dps character lolplays PC/NA
handle @Necrotech_Master
active player since april 2014
i have my main house (grand topal hideaway) listed in the housing tours, it has multiple target dummies, scribing altar, and grandmaster stations (fully filled out with current game), as well as almost every antiquity furnishing on display to preview them
in progress: acquiring mundus stones (currently only have the thief)
feel free to stop by and use the facilities13 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭After the changes I took my Templar out and about doing some world bosses. Took a couple of days to start getting to a new rotation.
I like the animation change. When doing trials it is easy to see the animation when the group is stacked. Makes timing my new rotation easier.
I'm still having fun with my Templar. All those posts before the changes dropped saying Templars would be banned from joining vet trials have in my experience been wrong.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."3 -
Hapexamendios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭My answer to 4: For now I've shelved my magplar dps and changed to magblade. My stamplar I'm changing over to a tank. No change to my healer.6 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Does anyone truly want expect the devs to answer these question? Anything they had to say has already been said, in all likelihood.4 -
FluffWit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I was expecting the worst but ended up noticing very little difference. If anything you just spam jabs even more lol.
My DK on the other hand, I dunno what I'm supposed to do. We're all about sticky dots and they're a joke now.Edited by FluffWit on September 14, 2022 11:26PM1 -
OBJnoob✭✭✭✭✭
✭Unpopular opinion: the amount of outcry over the changes to a single skill only goes to show how overpowered it truly was... Where people thatve been playing templar for a "decade" literally can't figure out what to do without it. There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!
And again, just to reiterate, if you try ALL of these and dont like them or they don't do enough damage then please consider how overpowered it was to have an aoe spammable that did all it did and still do more single target damage than anything I just mentioned.6 -
Jarl_Ironheart✭✭✭✭✭Necrotech_Master wrote: »for 1. according to the devs in the patch notes the animation was changed due to the timing (duration of .8 sec instead 1 sec)
now, why they used a specific spear model instead of their old light spear, i have no idea, and it didnt seem to be necessary to do that
for 2. i still use jabs as the main spammable on my templar and his overall effectiveness hasnt changed at all, with absolutely 0 build changes
3. i still enjoy the class, and its still my highest dps character lol
You're in the minority. I'm right there with you by the way. I don't get the people are saying this class is unplayable now or that they can't enjoy the class now. I get people hate change but some people are being pretty extreme on this.Push Posh Applesauce, Pocket Full of Marmalade.2 -
Jarl_Ironheart✭✭✭✭✭Unpopular opinion: the amount of outcry over the changes to a single skill only goes to show how overpowered it truly was... Where people thatve been playing templar for a "decade" literally can't figure out what to do without it. There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!
And again, just to reiterate, if you try ALL of these and dont like them or they don't do enough damage then please consider how overpowered it was to have an aoe spammable that did all it did and still do more single target damage than anything I just mentioned.
I posted a thread and one of my points why they changed it is because it was too strong. It did too much for 1 button push. And templar has so much more than spamming jabs.Push Posh Applesauce, Pocket Full of Marmalade.3 -
UnabashedlyHonest✭✭✭✭✭Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »Unpopular opinion: the amount of outcry over the changes to a single skill only goes to show how overpowered it truly was... Where people thatve been playing templar for a "decade" literally can't figure out what to do without it. There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!
And again, just to reiterate, if you try ALL of these and dont like them or they don't do enough damage then please consider how overpowered it was to have an aoe spammable that did all it did and still do more single target damage than anything I just mentioned.
I posted a thread and one of my points why they changed it is because it was too strong. It did too much for 1 button push. And templar has so much more than spamming jabs.
They didn't just nerf jabs. They also nerfed sweeps and power of the light. They nerfed all three of the main skills templars use at the same time. They did, in fact, make templars the weakest class in one single update.23 -
Jarl_Ironheart✭✭✭✭✭UnabashedlyHonest wrote: »Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »Unpopular opinion: the amount of outcry over the changes to a single skill only goes to show how overpowered it truly was... Where people thatve been playing templar for a "decade" literally can't figure out what to do without it. There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!
And again, just to reiterate, if you try ALL of these and dont like them or they don't do enough damage then please consider how overpowered it was to have an aoe spammable that did all it did and still do more single target damage than anything I just mentioned.
I posted a thread and one of my points why they changed it is because it was too strong. It did too much for 1 button push. And templar has so much more than spamming jabs.
They didn't just nerf jabs. They also nerfed sweeps and power of the light. They nerfed all three of the main skills templars use at the same time. They did, in fact, make templars the weakest class in one single update.
Oh don't act like that means anything. Every class has been weakest. And some nerfs were needed. Templar is still the easy class to play that still kicks butt.Push Posh Applesauce, Pocket Full of Marmalade.1 -
Captain_Devildog✭✭✭✭Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »Unpopular opinion: the amount of outcry over the changes to a single skill only goes to show how overpowered it truly was... Where people thatve been playing templar for a "decade" literally can't figure out what to do without it. There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!
And again, just to reiterate, if you try ALL of these and dont like them or they don't do enough damage then please consider how overpowered it was to have an aoe spammable that did all it did and still do more single target damage than anything I just mentioned.
I posted a thread and one of my points why they changed it is because it was too strong. It did too much for 1 button push. And templar has so much more than spamming jabs.
Tell me what do you spam on Templar that is enjoyable?4 -
dmnqwk✭✭✭✭✭UnabashedlyHonest wrote: »Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »Unpopular opinion: the amount of outcry over the changes to a single skill only goes to show how overpowered it truly was... Where people thatve been playing templar for a "decade" literally can't figure out what to do without it. There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!
And again, just to reiterate, if you try ALL of these and dont like them or they don't do enough damage then please consider how overpowered it was to have an aoe spammable that did all it did and still do more single target damage than anything I just mentioned.
I posted a thread and one of my points why they changed it is because it was too strong. It did too much for 1 button push. And templar has so much more than spamming jabs.
They didn't just nerf jabs. They also nerfed sweeps and power of the light. They nerfed all three of the main skills templars use at the same time. They did, in fact, make templars the weakest class in one single update.
They nerfed 'one button power'. That's all, a single button. So instead of '50k jabs dps' you get '25k jabs dps unless you use other skills like every class has to'.
Allowing Jabs to be so powerful in it's own right was the broken aspect, not the corrective change that allowed it to be a balanced, if somewhat still powerful, move.
Jabs went from 25k (thanks to the light proc) down to 14k plus most of the light proc. Still stronger than a 12k Rapid Strikes, but now balanced to be a sensible move.
It shows a lot of people only played Templar so they could 1 button kill everything - not a healthy attitude.2 -
radiostar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Z has been hating on Templar since the beginning, just like DK. They almost got it down to the ground where they want it. A few more updates to go."Billions upon Billions of Stars"13 -
Captain_Devildog✭✭✭✭UnabashedlyHonest wrote: »Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »Unpopular opinion: the amount of outcry over the changes to a single skill only goes to show how overpowered it truly was... Where people thatve been playing templar for a "decade" literally can't figure out what to do without it. There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!
And again, just to reiterate, if you try ALL of these and dont like them or they don't do enough damage then please consider how overpowered it was to have an aoe spammable that did all it did and still do more single target damage than anything I just mentioned.
I posted a thread and one of my points why they changed it is because it was too strong. It did too much for 1 button push. And templar has so much more than spamming jabs.
They didn't just nerf jabs. They also nerfed sweeps and power of the light. They nerfed all three of the main skills templars use at the same time. They did, in fact, make templars the weakest class in one single update.
They nerfed 'one button power'. That's all, a single button. So instead of '50k jabs dps' you get '25k jabs dps unless you use other skills like every class has to'.
Allowing Jabs to be so powerful in it's own right was the broken aspect, not the corrective change that allowed it to be a balanced, if somewhat still powerful, move.
Jabs went from 25k (thanks to the light proc) down to 14k plus most of the light proc. Still stronger than a 12k Rapid Strikes, but now balanced to be a sensible move.
It shows a lot of people only played Templar so they could 1 button kill everything - not a healthy attitude.
I really don't care about the nerf it's the skill itself, it is boring as *** they shouldn't change the whole skill after 8 years.4 -
Captain_Devildog✭✭✭✭Unpopular opinion: the amount of outcry over the changes to a single skill only goes to show how overpowered it truly was... Where people thatve been playing templar for a "decade" literally can't figure out what to do without it. There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!
And again, just to reiterate, if you try ALL of these and dont like them or they don't do enough damage then please consider how overpowered it was to have an aoe spammable that did all it did and still do more single target damage than anything I just mentioned.
That doesn't make sense at all, that's like saying you chop 4 of the 5 fingers from someone's hand. And then you say the amount of outcry you have means how useful your fingers are.
Yeah you can life with one finger if you don't know better, but if you used to your whole hand then it will become really upsetting.6 -
Suna_Ye_Sunnabe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Agreed on all points, OP. I have no joy whatsoever in the class right now, after over 8k hours playing Templars in all roles. I prefer them in werewolf form right now as dds so I'm not assaulted by the hideous new jabs "animation", if I have to play one.Angua Anyammis Ae Sunna7 -
Captain_Devildog✭✭✭✭I think we can all agree that the jabs are unplayable compared to the one before. Not because the damage, it's because the lack of joy with the skill itself and the animation that comes with it.
I don't care if you dissagree i see what i see, the majority of MAIN Templars are struggling enjoying the game and probably switching or leaving. [Snip].
[Edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Volpe on September 15, 2022 4:58PM15 -
LesserCircle✭✭✭✭✭
✭People acting like having a lot of damage on just one skill is bad lol. If you want to reach 100k+ you're still going to need other skills other than jabs, it was an accessible class available for everyone that wanted that playstyle, if you don't want it, don't use it but I'm seeing so much gaslighting here.9 -
Ariordin✭✭✭✭Unpopular opinion: the amount of outcry over the changes to a single skill only goes to show how overpowered it truly was... Where people thatve been playing templar for a "decade" literally can't figure out what to do without it. There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!
And again, just to reiterate, if you try ALL of these and dont like them or they don't do enough damage then please consider how overpowered it was to have an aoe spammable that did all it did and still do more single target damage than anything I just mentioned.
What about the bit where they took a TEMPLAR skill and gave it a NECROMANCER staff? Are we allowed to be upset about this?11 -
TragedyOA✭✭✭✭UnabashedlyHonest wrote: »Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »Unpopular opinion: the amount of outcry over the changes to a single skill only goes to show how overpowered it truly was... Where people thatve been playing templar for a "decade" literally can't figure out what to do without it. There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!
And again, just to reiterate, if you try ALL of these and dont like them or they don't do enough damage then please consider how overpowered it was to have an aoe spammable that did all it did and still do more single target damage than anything I just mentioned.
I posted a thread and one of my points why they changed it is because it was too strong. It did too much for 1 button push. And templar has so much more than spamming jabs.
They didn't just nerf jabs. They also nerfed sweeps and power of the light. They nerfed all three of the main skills templars use at the same time. They did, in fact, make templars the weakest class in one single update.
Oh that's why Templar is now crap in PVP.
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LordRukia✭✭✭✭Captain_Devildog wrote: »I don't know what to spam on my Templar, i can't enjoy the class like before. After playing this game for a decade on the same class.
The problem:
Nobody knows how to play the Templar with joy and fun.
1. Why is the animation changed on the jabs?
2. What do we spam on our main Templars?
3. How can we enjoy the class after u35?
4. How do we procceed from this?
You spam shards and beam, whether you find that fun or not is up to you.Edited by LordRukia on September 15, 2022 11:04AM0 -
K9002✭✭✭✭✭
Psijic spammable is a completely different thing, it's ranged and it doesn't work correctly under high latency or lag spikes. Not a replacement for melee magicka builds.There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!
Vampire spammable is the single worst spammable skill in this game, and part of THE most hated and ruined skill line overall. Single target, absolutely pathetic damage for its range and no additional effects at all. And it has a really weak, unfun animation compared to the skills used by NPC vampires. Vampire fans complained about all this stuff ever since Greymoor patch went up on PTS, and it only got worse since.
Weapon skills? Why even play any specific class then? Also stamina players have 2H, DW and bow to choose from while mag players are stuck with the same staves and no alternatives.
Silver shards? Another stamina skill and it has to be picked over the other morph which provides one of a kind pulling utility. It's not exclusively a tank thing, people use it while farming experience in group arenas.8 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Unpopular opinion: the amount of outcry over the changes to a single skill only goes to show how overpowered it truly was... Where people thatve been playing templar for a "decade" literally can't figure out what to do without it. There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!
And again, just to reiterate, if you try ALL of these and dont like them or they don't do enough damage then please consider how overpowered it was to have an aoe spammable that did all it did and still do more single target damage than anything I just mentioned.
Its not really due to its power.
This skill was widely popular among templars even when the class was literal trash tier.
I love spears in any game and jabs with spear made out light is like the ultimate spear wielding paladin fantasy.
I suspect most people feel the same.5 -
Jarl_Ironheart✭✭✭✭✭Captain_Devildog wrote: »I think we can all agree that the jabs are unplayable compared to the one before. Not because the damage, it's because the lack of joy with the skill itself and the animation that comes with it.
I don't care if you dissagree i see what i see, the majority of MAIN Templars are struggling enjoying the game and probably switching or leaving. [Snip].
First, you don't speak for all templar players. I see a absolute ton of templar players both new and old who use the crap out of jabs still and it performs well. I had a 4 man templar group the other day and we cleared a boss so fast it didn't even get to do a single mechanic.
Also, you can't be like I think we all can agree then turn around and say i don't care if you disagree with my opinion. [Snip]. And the fact that this change to one skill makes this beloved class of yours unplayable really shows it not the class you enjoyed [Snip].
[Edited for removed content/baiting]Edited by ZOS_Volpe on September 15, 2022 5:03PMPush Posh Applesauce, Pocket Full of Marmalade.4 -
Tesman85✭✭✭✭Unpopular opinion: the amount of outcry over the changes to a single skill only goes to show how overpowered it truly was... Where people thatve been playing templar for a "decade" literally can't figure out what to do without it. There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!
And again, just to reiterate, if you try ALL of these and dont like them or they don't do enough damage then please consider how overpowered it was to have an aoe spammable that did all it did and still do more single target damage than anything I just mentioned.
Very true. Before the update I was even starting to get a little bored of my templars, because the jabs were so powerful (especially the Puncturing sweeps with its heal). It was like I had only two skills worth using, the jabs and Reflective Light. Now that the former is on par with most other skills, I find I'm getting more versatile. Now that I'm using more weapon skills and saving the jabs to a situation where I need to do both damage and heal, I seem to have more fun. I actually have to think about what other skills to choose, and the templar's proper healing skills get more use. No idea if my templar DPS is now better or worse, but at least they're good enough to solo many normal dungeons without changing anything but a skill or two.
The new jab animation is another story. It looks quite comical, and I preferred the original.0 -
SaffronCitrusflower✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »UnabashedlyHonest wrote: »Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »Unpopular opinion: the amount of outcry over the changes to a single skill only goes to show how overpowered it truly was... Where people thatve been playing templar for a "decade" literally can't figure out what to do without it. There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!
And again, just to reiterate, if you try ALL of these and dont like them or they don't do enough damage then please consider how overpowered it was to have an aoe spammable that did all it did and still do more single target damage than anything I just mentioned.
I posted a thread and one of my points why they changed it is because it was too strong. It did too much for 1 button push. And templar has so much more than spamming jabs.
They didn't just nerf jabs. They also nerfed sweeps and power of the light. They nerfed all three of the main skills templars use at the same time. They did, in fact, make templars the weakest class in one single update.
Oh don't act like that means anything. Every class has been weakest. And some nerfs were needed. Templar is still the easy class to play that still kicks butt.
It means a great deal to every player that mainly plays templar. Templar is now the weakest class by a long shot, all due to a single update.10 -
SaffronCitrusflower✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UnabashedlyHonest wrote: »Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »Unpopular opinion: the amount of outcry over the changes to a single skill only goes to show how overpowered it truly was... Where people thatve been playing templar for a "decade" literally can't figure out what to do without it. There's a psijic spammable, a vampire spammable, and a spammable for every weapon. Uuh, the uh... Shucks, what's it called, the fighters guild arrow thingy. Silver shards!
And again, just to reiterate, if you try ALL of these and dont like them or they don't do enough damage then please consider how overpowered it was to have an aoe spammable that did all it did and still do more single target damage than anything I just mentioned.
I posted a thread and one of my points why they changed it is because it was too strong. It did too much for 1 button push. And templar has so much more than spamming jabs.
They didn't just nerf jabs. They also nerfed sweeps and power of the light. They nerfed all three of the main skills templars use at the same time. They did, in fact, make templars the weakest class in one single update.
They nerfed 'one button power'. That's all, a single button. So instead of '50k jabs dps' you get '25k jabs dps unless you use other skills like every class has to'.
Allowing Jabs to be so powerful in it's own right was the broken aspect, not the corrective change that allowed it to be a balanced, if somewhat still powerful, move.
Jabs went from 25k (thanks to the light proc) down to 14k plus most of the light proc. Still stronger than a 12k Rapid Strikes, but now balanced to be a sensible move.
It shows a lot of people only played Templar so they could 1 button kill everything - not a healthy attitude.
Not true. They also nerfed the other main skills templars use, all in a single update. They didn't just nerf jabs. They nerfed the majority of the dps skills templars use.7 -
ForumBully✭✭✭✭✭
✭In PvP, especially with the added insult of Maras Balm, Templar as anything but a ranged executioner, is a joke.3
