Spent over $5,000 on this game.

Vevvev · September 2022

I don't even know how much I've spent, but I know it's been over a thousand. Most of my zeal over the game died in Greymoor, and it's been on a steady decline since. Every time they do something right they make 2 things worse. Eventually the bad things outnumber the good and I struggle to stay playing for more than an hour each day.

moleculardrugs · September 2022

Tatdad wrote: »

Had to put this huge title on this.

I’m a casual. Hello. Devs. IM A CASUAL. I’m not a top tier raider. Or PVMER. Played this game since day 1 though. I always get crown crates and homes. And purchase tons of crown store items. While I also enjoy the game casually. Anytime I want

I watch content creators for advice on builds. And I have actually done a few high end raids. But very casually.

I did them just fine btw.

This patch. Is a literal nightmare. A literal nightmare to this game. I will no longer spend another single dime until this situation is fixed .

I have to put this $ amount on my post for posterity because people …. IT IS RELEVANT.

Mods. You can’t mute me for trolling or baiting this is literal relevant data. You’ve got players here. With wallets. And money GIVING YOU FEEDBACK

read my next words VERY CAREFULLY. Read it slowly and trust me this is 100% accurate.

If you censor our posts. You are 100% censoring my money into your hands. You will not get it.

I repeat. You will not get it.

Although I agree that everyone should be able to voice their opinions, what about the patch has made it a nightmare? Is it the builds or the combat system or something else entirely?

Captain_Devildog · September 2022

I spent thousands of euro's on this game, for years, supporting the game with everything i could give. but the u35 came and i stopped for good.

spartaxoxo · September 2022

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

RicAlmighty wrote: »

"Tatdad wrote: »

I’m a casual. Hello. Devs. IM A CASUAL.... I watch content creators for advice on builds. And I have actually done a few high end raids.

Newsflash, you are not a casual. Casual players rarely leave overland. They do not PvP, they do not run Dungeons, and they certainly do not run Trials. You may consider yourself casual but you are not, you are a mid to high tier player.

That is really open to debate. I ran into a guy in a dungeon yesterday who is a casual player. Plays a few hrs a week doesn't run a ton of dungeons and every few weeks runs a normal trial and he said he did a little pvp during the last event but it's pretty rare. Has decent DPS, probably not breaking 60k based on the but mostly does overland. That's causal. Mid tier is me. I break 70k play trials regularly but am not attempting trifectas or anything. Probably do about 8hrs a week. Hardcore is 80k+, progging and doing hard content with 10-15+ hrs a week.

60k is not casual. Mid-tier is more than a few k before you can prog. Casual players don't do dlc dungeons or only do them with great complaint, most skip trials, and they generally aren't pulling more than 25k DPS. The majority of the playerbase are doing around 5k-15k damage. We know that because the specific reason cited as to why companions couldn't do more than that was that they would have out damaged a lot of the playerbase. And devs didn't want them replacing players in dungeons due to that. Most players prefer the story of this game but mid-tier players are also participating in trials and dungeons. Generally speaking the players doing trials and dungeons are also going to also hit 25k+ if they are a DPS. Because they'll actually bother to do stuff like get sets to make the trials and dungeons easier.

No it isn't. Plenty of folks been playing casually for years have 50k-60k dps. You are talking about stereotypes, people that exclusively quest and brand new players. That's one subset of a massive placer base. When I started in month 1 I had about 25k. Second month I ran about 45k and I hadn't done a single trial at this point or any dlc dungeons. I had a social guild that had one target dummy and I wanted to see where I was at because I wanted to try a normal solo arena.

Practicing on a dummy so that you can hit larger numbers for arenas is by it's not casual activity. You're defining it by time spent, but I'm defining it by the types of activities and practice someone is willing to put in.

Lol trying one parse on a dummy one time because I got a suggestion from a guildmate and had literally no idea that that was even a thing is absolutely casual. I put about 5 mins of time in bruh, in 3 months. I was by no means practicing.That is the definition of casual. Hell I'd never even played an MMO before this. I didn't know what a 5 piece set was. I was absolutely, unequivocally a casual player. Your effectively saying anyone who knows what their dps is is not casual which is just wrong. Plenty of people that only pull 25k have hit a dummy once to know that.

That's not what I'm effectively saying. You earlier mentioned that you started using the dummy because you wanted to do arenas. And I pointed out that neither of those are all that casual of an activity. You only just now mentioned you spent 5, so something you stated later that I couldn't have possibly known cannot fairly be used to interpret what I'm saying.

I understand there is a spectrum of casual, but generally speaking someone who never looks at sets, never practices, etc. is not going to be hitting those types of numbers. It's great that you did, great talent demonstrated there. But, an outlier doesn't really define the group. If devs explain companions can't have more than the DPS they now because they'd replace the actual players of the game, then it's reasonable to assume that mostly the players are hitting fairly low.

It's not really about the time spent, it's about the activity and practice willing to be put in. The difficult content in this game is actually not used as much as the devs would like. A lot of the changes of U35 is about trying to make it easier to get into harder content. It was an utter failure at that, but that's the point of U35. If devs need to make drastic changes to the game to get people able to do harder content comfortably, it's not really unreasonable to make the assumption that most are having trouble doing that content (if they do it all.)

OBJnoob · September 2022

Didn't really read much beyond the original post so... Only really got one thing to say.

Your money matters to you, and in the "drop in the bucket," sense it matters to ZOS as well. But trying to puff your chest and make threats is completely unwarranted.

You are responsible for your own spending. It is right that you have given your money for a product you enjoy. And if you stop enjoying it then it is right that you stop giving your money. The money you have already spent in no way gives you leverage over them or puts them in debt to you. Your opinion is just one of many... Many of which agree. You can just sign the petition so to speak. No need for the resume. It doesn't make you more important than someone that spends nothing.

Carcamongus · September 2022

I don't do parses, but that's because I'm a tank; I could parse on a bloody centipede. To me, dummies are more like neat decorations (and I'd love if I could set them on a path just like pets or house guests). I've done some endgame content, including vet DLC trials, but I still consider myself casual. Sure, I had to go after gear, but whenever I'm not equipped to be chewed by a golden dragon I just like to explore, do solo stuff and, yes, pick flowers. Maybe my definition of "casual" is someone who doesn't devote most of his time to the endgame.

I'm not about to quit the game, but I worry for its future (though I'm not saying it's dying). I have fun being chewed by an angry golden dragon every now and then and my ability to do that is hampered if the people from my guilds stop bothering to run trials because of U35. I also want my guildmates who can probably recite their rotations in their sleep to have fun. It's not fun to be nerfed because that'd somehow help less experienced players (which doesn't even make sense).

The OP sought to bring attention to the issue of lost revenue by using that player's example. That's not by itself bad, but it would have benefited from more details on what's wrong with the changes according to the author and maybe a slightly less hostile tone.

Chiaroscuro · September 2022

Memory_In_Motion wrote: »

1500 of that or so i assume to be subbing eso+ ? 3500 on boxes and houses? Wow.

I was pressed to buy a used i7 7700 sff business pc for 200$ off ebay and upgade it with 32 gb ram, a pcie4 nvme drive (so i could take it along to the next machine one day) and even get the rx 6400 low profile card coming from amazon tomorrow (also pcie4 for the upgade path to an eventual newer used machine).

But to be fair, i also spend 500-700 a month on feeding and caring for 14 cats. Some inside and some outside. So it's a choice to prioritize. If i get in a jam financially, watch how fast i sell my pc for parts.

While i will never (NEVER!) give Zos that kind of money i wish you well on your boycott.

I am just here to cheer for your cats.

That's all.

Please tell them they're all very good kitties and give them pattos

Ariordin · September 2022

I probably am closer to the $3,000 dollar range, but this patch has been devastating to my interest in ESO. I also cancelled my subscription and have not bought crates or Crowns during a crown sale for the first time in YEARS. Probably going back to 2017.

Zos's concern in people leaving will only be serious if they start having trouble drawing new players in however. So it important to continue to voice your displeasure. People do read these forums and learn from the mistakes the dev's make.

boi_anachronism_ · September 2022

spartaxoxo wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

RicAlmighty wrote: »

"Tatdad wrote: »

I’m a casual. Hello. Devs. IM A CASUAL.... I watch content creators for advice on builds. And I have actually done a few high end raids.

Newsflash, you are not a casual. Casual players rarely leave overland. They do not PvP, they do not run Dungeons, and they certainly do not run Trials. You may consider yourself casual but you are not, you are a mid to high tier player.

That is really open to debate. I ran into a guy in a dungeon yesterday who is a casual player. Plays a few hrs a week doesn't run a ton of dungeons and every few weeks runs a normal trial and he said he did a little pvp during the last event but it's pretty rare. Has decent DPS, probably not breaking 60k based on the but mostly does overland. That's causal. Mid tier is me. I break 70k play trials regularly but am not attempting trifectas or anything. Probably do about 8hrs a week. Hardcore is 80k+, progging and doing hard content with 10-15+ hrs a week.

60k is not casual. Mid-tier is more than a few k before you can prog. Casual players don't do dlc dungeons or only do them with great complaint, most skip trials, and they generally aren't pulling more than 25k DPS. The majority of the playerbase are doing around 5k-15k damage. We know that because the specific reason cited as to why companions couldn't do more than that was that they would have out damaged a lot of the playerbase. And devs didn't want them replacing players in dungeons due to that. Most players prefer the story of this game but mid-tier players are also participating in trials and dungeons. Generally speaking the players doing trials and dungeons are also going to also hit 25k+ if they are a DPS. Because they'll actually bother to do stuff like get sets to make the trials and dungeons easier.

No it isn't. Plenty of folks been playing casually for years have 50k-60k dps. You are talking about stereotypes, people that exclusively quest and brand new players. That's one subset of a massive placer base. When I started in month 1 I had about 25k. Second month I ran about 45k and I hadn't done a single trial at this point or any dlc dungeons. I had a social guild that had one target dummy and I wanted to see where I was at because I wanted to try a normal solo arena.

Practicing on a dummy so that you can hit larger numbers for arenas is by it's not casual activity. You're defining it by time spent, but I'm defining it by the types of activities and practice someone is willing to put in.

Lol trying one parse on a dummy one time because I got a suggestion from a guildmate and had literally no idea that that was even a thing is absolutely casual. I put about 5 mins of time in bruh, in 3 months. I was by no means practicing.That is the definition of casual. Hell I'd never even played an MMO before this. I didn't know what a 5 piece set was. I was absolutely, unequivocally a casual player. Your effectively saying anyone who knows what their dps is is not casual which is just wrong. Plenty of people that only pull 25k have hit a dummy once to know that.

That's not what I'm effectively saying. You earlier mentioned that you started using the dummy because you wanted to do arenas. And I pointed out that neither of those are all that casual of an activity. You only just now mentioned you spent 5, so something you stated later that I couldn't have possibly known cannot fairly be used to interpret what I'm saying.

I understand there is a spectrum of casual, but generally speaking someone who never looks at sets, never practices, etc. is not going to be hitting those types of numbers. It's great that you did, great talent demonstrated there. But, an outlier doesn't really define the group. If devs explain companions can't have more than the DPS they now because they'd replace the actual players of the game, then it's reasonable to assume that mostly the players are hitting fairly low.

It's not really about the time spent, it's about the activity and practice willing to be put in. The difficult content in this game is actually not used as much as the devs would like. A lot of the changes of U35 is about trying to make it easier to get into harder content. It was an utter failure at that, but that's the point of U35. If devs need to make drastic changes to the game to get people able to do harder content comfortably, it's not really unreasonable to make the assumption that most are having trouble doing that content (if they do it all.)

If you look at Facebook you will find countless posts of folks who are causal and doing normal maelstrom for the first time because it is as close to a dungeon type experience as you can get without any group content. Almost none have so much as looked up a YouTube video and are asking the most basic questions about mechanics. They don't understand sets, buffs or or in many cases how to even turn on their skill bar which is exactly where I was. It also bares pointing out that lots of casual folks parsed for the first time post update because they couldn't figure out why they were now having trouble with overland and used that to figure out that their dps went from 30k to about 15k.

MEBengalsFan2001 · September 2022

I'm casual and did a vet dungeon solo by accident a few times as I forgot how to change it. I was like wow, i"m getting purple gear and monster helms. I thought it was the event providing this bump but it wasn't. In the past I wasn't able to solo these dungeons but now I can. So yeah, game definitely got harder.

MEBengalsFan2001 · September 2022

SizanLopkniht wrote: »

Artim_X wrote: »

What part of the patch did you not like? Did you try doing any content in particular? Did you try different gear or rotation? Did you check out any content creator suggestions about what to change in your setup?

TBH your post has no relevant feedback besides your dislike for the patch.

The relevance is obvious and substantial. If the whales quit spending their money on the game due to poor management decisions it's relevant.

He spent over $5K over 7 years. That isn't a whale. A whale for MMOs spend that a year on average.

I've probably spent about $1500-2000K on this game in the same time frame and I don't consider myself a whale. Spending around $300-1,000 a year on MMO is probably closer to the norm. Spending $2K a year or more is IMO a whale.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · September 2022

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

SizanLopkniht wrote: »

Artim_X wrote: »

What part of the patch did you not like? Did you try doing any content in particular? Did you try different gear or rotation? Did you check out any content creator suggestions about what to change in your setup?

TBH your post has no relevant feedback besides your dislike for the patch.

The relevance is obvious and substantial. If the whales quit spending their money on the game due to poor management decisions it's relevant.

He spent over $5K over 7 years. That isn't a whale. A whale for MMOs spend that a year on average.

I've probably spent about $1500-2000K on this game in the same time frame and I don't consider myself a whale. Spending around $300-1,000 a year on MMO is probably closer to the norm. Spending $2K a year or more is IMO a whale.

I dunno. He might not be the biggest whale in the ESO sea, but I think we at least have the species correct with $5k spent. LOL.

Memory_In_Motion · September 2022

Chiaroscuro wrote: »

Memory_In_Motion wrote: »

1500 of that or so i assume to be subbing eso+ ? 3500 on boxes and houses? Wow.

I was pressed to buy a used i7 7700 sff business pc for 200$ off ebay and upgade it with 32 gb ram, a pcie4 nvme drive (so i could take it along to the next machine one day) and even get the rx 6400 low profile card coming from amazon tomorrow (also pcie4 for the upgade path to an eventual newer used machine).

But to be fair, i also spend 500-700 a month on feeding and caring for 14 cats. Some inside and some outside. So it's a choice to prioritize. If i get in a jam financially, watch how fast i sell my pc for parts.

While i will never (NEVER!) give Zos that kind of money i wish you well on your boycott.

I am just here to cheer for your cats.

That's all.

Please tell them they're all very good kitties and give them pattos

They said, meow, meow. meow, meow meow. Or in english, thanks but where's the tuna?

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subarctic · September 2022

[SNIP]

ESO started in 2014. We are now 2022.

365 (days) x 8 (years) = 2090 days

$5000 / 2090

That is 2.39 US$ per day.

It’s nothing!

Okay, you stress that you are just a casual gamer, but if anybody has ESO as a daily hobby, then having spent $5000 the last 8 years on your favorite hobby is actually not that much money for all the daily entertainment you get out of it.

That being said, if you have played ESO every day, the last 2090 days, you will have run out of content in the game a long time ago.

It’s not U35, but lack of content which makes ESO overpriced.

I could have spent 10 000 US$ on ESO the last eight years if the game each year had been as innovative and creative as it was in 2014.

Now we are paying for skins… It gives new meaning to the saying that one has skin in the game.

But it is what it is. Not gonna change. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Edited for Rude and Insulting Comments/Trolling or Baiting

Olen_Mikko · September 2022

Uvi_AUT wrote: »

Tatdad wrote: »

Had to put this huge title on this.

I’m a casual. Hello. Devs. IM A CASUAL. I’m not a top tier raider. Or PVMER. Played this game since day 1 though. I always get crown crates and homes. And purchase tons of crown store items. While I also enjoy the game casually. Anytime I want

I watch content creators for advice on builds. And I have actually done a few high end raids. But very casually.

I did them just fine btw.

This patch. Is a literal nightmare. A literal nightmare to this game. I will no longer spend another single dime until this situation is fixed .

I have to put this $ amount on my post for posterity because people …. IT IS RELEVANT.

Mods. You can’t mute me for trolling or baiting this is literal relevant data. You’ve got players here. With wallets. And money GIVING YOU FEEDBACK

read my next words VERY CAREFULLY. Read it slowly and trust me this is 100% accurate.

If you censor our posts. You are 100% censoring my money into your hands. You will not get it.

I repeat. You will not get it.

You didnt say anything about what upset you. Did you forget to post that? What do you want the Devs to read ?

His money

Oreyn_Bearclaw · September 2022

subarctic wrote: »

[SNIP]

ESO started in 2014. We are now 2022.

365 (days) x 8 (years) = 2090 days

$5000 / 2090

That is 2.39 US$ per day.

It’s nothing!

Okay, you stress that you are just a casual gamer, but if anybody has ESO as a daily hobby, then having spent $5000 the last 8 years on your favorite hobby is actually not that much money for all the daily entertainment you get out of it.

That being said, if you have played ESO every day, the last 2090 days, you will have run out of content in the game a long time ago.

It’s not U35, but lack of content which makes ESO overpriced.

I could have spent 10 000 US$ on ESO the last eight years if the game each year had been as innovative and creative as it was in 2014.

Now we are paying for skins… It gives new meaning to the saying that one has skin in the game.

But it is what it is. Not gonna change. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Edited for Rude and Insulting Comments/Trolling or Baiting

I have spent that on golf in 2022, LOL. Still a lot for a video game that theoretically could shut down tomorrow. I have no idea where I am at. I have been subbed for most of the time we have been able to. I buy crown packs maybe every other sale. Definitely 4 figures, but dont think I am anywhere near 5k. I am sure some bean counter at ZOS knows the number to the penny. Haha

Certainly, spend your money however you want to.

gamma71 · September 2022

Worst patch ever the dot changes are beyond stupid. The pvp sets minus maras Wich is overturned are garbage I don't even sell nocturnal or the other trash set, they sell for like 2k not worth selling not worth wearing. I'm not even wearing mara because I know there gonna turn it to trash also. There tract record speaks for itself.

In pvp we have unkillable tanks and overturned Nbs tearing people up. I could make a long list but it falls on deaf ears. The pendulum needs to be in the middle not swung so drastically to one side or the other.