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Spent over $5,000 on this game.
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Nobody cares how much you spent on this game. Spending money on any game is a personal choice. What we have here is just another person who is angry that the game is not like they want it. For the last time - If you don't like the game don't play it and for crying out loud don't put 5 Grand into it. Enough said.Edited by Dovahkiin02191973 on August 24, 2022 3:44PM6 -
method__01✭✭✭✭✭after current team took over and started changing stuff,like cp,vM weapons,dots and skill duration etc
i started spending less money,not buying almost nothing and for the first time after 2016 i quit the game for 2 months
i express my dissatisfaction many times here and in other pages and because i control what i like or how i want to play
i only do farming and master writs or fishing atm,not touching vet content or solo arenas anymore and if
i decide i had too much bs from team,then sry but other games are waitingEdited by method__01 on August 24, 2022 3:53PMPC EU/NA /// PS4 EU/NA
Vasanha
This one hears nothing. Sees nothing. This one only sweeps.
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Riptide✭✭✭✭✭
✭Between the wife’s and my accounts we’ve put in a similar amount. And I tested exhaustively in the alpha, closed beta, beta and beyond. Led a guild. Led trials. Helped break heaps of folks into trials. On and on.
Unsubbing and refusing to purchase any crowns for either account when things go silly is about all there is. Don’t allow yourself to be pot committed and continue throwing good money at bad. Just do it rather than talk about it.
And then you are at least in the position of paying them for what you want, and not for the things you disapprove of.
It isn’t much, but is as good as it gets.Esse quam videri.13 -
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✭✭"I spent 5000$ gambling in a video game, please listen to me on how to run your multi million dollar business!"
Well, I'm convinced.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
The Covenant is broken. The Enemy has won...
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Uvi_AUT✭✭✭✭✭BalticBlues wrote: »
The Devs already can read hundreds of PTS pages of how U35 upset expert testers.You didnt say anything about what upset you. Did you forget to post that? What do you want the Devs to read ?
TESTERS BEGGED ZOS NOT TO RELEASE U35 because of the damage it does to the game.
After release ZOS now gets the casual end customer experience. What more do they need?
I like the update.Registered since 2014, Customer Service lost my Forum-Account and can't find it.....2 -
Kingsindarkness✭✭✭✭✭Diametrically... some folks like the update and still buy crowns.
I personally like that we have all kinds of folks in our community
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Ghaleb✭✭✭✭✭Kingsindarkness wrote: »I personally like that we have all kinds of folks in our community
But it is getting smaller. I don’t know if you consider this a good development, as different folks remain in the community… but it is definitely not growing the last couple of weeks.
I would call this a negative trajectory and with ZoS now showing us the middle finger as well when it comes to the promised Q&A on U35, I don’t see that changing soon.
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Memory_In_Motion✭✭✭✭1500 of that or so i assume to be subbing eso+ ? 3500 on boxes and houses? Wow.
I was pressed to buy a used i7 7700 sff business pc for 200$ off ebay and upgade it with 32 gb ram, a pcie4 nvme drive (so i could take it along to the next machine one day) and even get the rx 6400 low profile card coming from amazon tomorrow (also pcie4 for the upgade path to an eventual newer used machine).
But to be fair, i also spend 500-700 a month on feeding and caring for 14 cats. Some inside and some outside. So it's a choice to prioritize. If i get in a jam financially, watch how fast i sell my pc for parts.
While i will never (NEVER!) give Zos that kind of money i wish you well on your boycott.
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Kingsindarkness wrote: »I personally like that we have all kinds of folks in our community
But it is getting smaller. I don’t know if you consider this a good development, as different folks remain in the community… but it is definitely not growing the last couple of weeks.
I would call this a negative trajectory and with ZoS now showing us the middle finger as well when it comes to the promised Q&A on U35, I don’t see that changing soon.
You don't need to post U35 Q&A when it's U40.
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✭Had to put this huge title on this.
I’m a casual. Hello. Devs. IM A CASUAL. I’m not a top tier raider. Or PVMER. Played this game since day 1 though. I always get crown crates and homes. And purchase tons of crown store items. While I also enjoy the game casually. Anytime I want
I watch content creators for advice on builds. And I have actually done a few high end raids. But very casually.
I did them just fine btw.
This patch. Is a literal nightmare. A literal nightmare to this game. I will no longer spend another single dime until this situation is fixed .
I have to put this $ amount on my post for posterity because people …. IT IS RELEVANT.
Mods. You can’t mute me for trolling or baiting this is literal relevant data. You’ve got players here. With wallets. And money GIVING YOU FEEDBACK
read my next words VERY CAREFULLY. Read it slowly and trust me this is 100% accurate.
If you censor our posts. You are 100% censoring my money into your hands. You will not get it.
I repeat. You will not get it.
I cannot resist to ask...
How many hours did you play so far ?"I still do not understand why I followed the advice of Captain Rana to bring the villagers of Bleakrock into safety. We should have fought for our village and not have backed down, with our tail between our legs. Now my home village is in shambles, the houses burning, the invaders feasting.I swear every day to Shor that after Molag Bal has been defeated, I will hunt down the invaders and restore peace in Bleakrock and drink my mead with my friends at the market place".PC-EU0 -
zharkovian✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »I am not sure what you think casuals do, but they are not running around farming mudcrabs.
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RicAlmighty✭✭✭✭✭I’m a casual. Hello. Devs. IM A CASUAL.... I watch content creators for advice on builds. And I have actually done a few high end raids.
Newsflash, you are not a casual. Casual players rarely leave overland. They do not watch build videos, they do not PvP, they do not run Dungeons, and they certainly do not run Trials. You may consider yourself casual but you are not, you are a mid to high tier player.
Edited by RicAlmighty on September 13, 2022 2:32PMContent Pass is not the answer. It is a question, the answer is No.4 -
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✭✭RicAlmighty wrote: »I’m a casual. Hello. Devs. IM A CASUAL.... I watch content creators for advice on builds. And I have actually done a few high end raids.
Newsflash, you are not a casual. Casual players rarely leave overland. They do not PvP, they do not run Dungeons, and they certainly do not run Trials. You may consider yourself casual but you are not, you are a mid to high tier player.
That is really open to debate. I ran into a guy in a dungeon yesterday who is a casual player. Plays a few hrs a week doesn't run a ton of dungeons and every few weeks runs a normal trial and he said he did a little pvp during the last event but it's pretty rare. Has decent DPS, probably not breaking 60k based on the but mostly does overland. That's causal. Mid tier is me. I break 70k play trials regularly but am not attempting trifectas or anything. Probably do about 8hrs a week. Hardcore is 80k+, progging and doing hard content with 10-15+ hrs a week.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭boi_anachronism_ wrote: »RicAlmighty wrote: »I’m a casual. Hello. Devs. IM A CASUAL.... I watch content creators for advice on builds. And I have actually done a few high end raids.
Newsflash, you are not a casual. Casual players rarely leave overland. They do not PvP, they do not run Dungeons, and they certainly do not run Trials. You may consider yourself casual but you are not, you are a mid to high tier player.
That is really open to debate. I ran into a guy in a dungeon yesterday who is a casual player. Plays a few hrs a week doesn't run a ton of dungeons and every few weeks runs a normal trial and he said he did a little pvp during the last event but it's pretty rare. Has decent DPS, probably not breaking 60k based on the but mostly does overland. That's causal. Mid tier is me. I break 70k play trials regularly but am not attempting trifectas or anything. Probably do about 8hrs a week. Hardcore is 80k+, progging and doing hard content with 10-15+ hrs a week.
60k is not casual. Mid-tier is more than a few k before you can prog. Casual players don't do dlc dungeons or only do them with great complaint, most skip trials, and they generally aren't pulling more than 25k DPS. The majority of the playerbase are doing around 5k-15k damage. We know that because the specific reason cited as to why companions couldn't do more than that was that they would have out damaged a lot of the playerbase. And devs didn't want them replacing players in dungeons due to that. Most players prefer the story of this game but mid-tier players are also participating in trials and dungeons. Generally speaking the players doing trials and dungeons are also going to also hit 25k+ if they are a DPS. Because they'll actually bother to do stuff like get sets to make the trials and dungeons easier.Edited by spartaxoxo on September 13, 2022 4:31PM5 -
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✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »boi_anachronism_ wrote: »RicAlmighty wrote: »I’m a casual. Hello. Devs. IM A CASUAL.... I watch content creators for advice on builds. And I have actually done a few high end raids.
Newsflash, you are not a casual. Casual players rarely leave overland. They do not PvP, they do not run Dungeons, and they certainly do not run Trials. You may consider yourself casual but you are not, you are a mid to high tier player.
That is really open to debate. I ran into a guy in a dungeon yesterday who is a casual player. Plays a few hrs a week doesn't run a ton of dungeons and every few weeks runs a normal trial and he said he did a little pvp during the last event but it's pretty rare. Has decent DPS, probably not breaking 60k based on the but mostly does overland. That's causal. Mid tier is me. I break 70k play trials regularly but am not attempting trifectas or anything. Probably do about 8hrs a week. Hardcore is 80k+, progging and doing hard content with 10-15+ hrs a week.
60k is not casual. Mid-tier is more than a few k before you can prog. Casual players don't do dlc dungeons or only do them with great complaint, most skip trials, and they generally aren't pulling more than 25k DPS. The majority of the playerbase are doing around 5k-15k damage. We know that because the specific reason cited as to why companions couldn't do more than that was that they would have out damaged a lot of the playerbase. And devs didn't want them replacing players in dungeons due to that. Most players prefer the story of this game but mid-tier players are also participating in trials and dungeons. Generally speaking the players doing trials and dungeons are also going to also hit 25k+ if they are a DPS. Because they'll actually bother to do stuff like get sets to make the trials and dungeons easier.
No it isn't. Plenty of folks been playing casually for years have 50k-60k dps. You are talking about stereotypes, people that exclusively quest and brand new players. That's one subset of a massive placer base. When I started in month 1 I had about 25k. Second month I ran about 45k and I hadn't done a single trial at this point or any dlc dungeons. I had a social guild that had one target dummy and I wanted to see where I was at because I wanted to try a normal solo arena. I came from Skyrim and was exclusively doing single player content at that point. That only changed about 5 months in and I played causally at the time, maybe 3hrs a week tops, didn't know much about builds other then a suggestion from one of my guildies to look at some overland sets because I didn't do dungeons. This is the problem with eso. The community is large and there is this idea that their is one type of causal player and that's simply not true. It's a spectrum of folks, some who played a few months and some that have played years. Even at 3hrs a week if you play 4yrs you pick up things. Hell I know folks who only do fashion or housing that worked one dungeon to get a motif or personality and never did dungeons again, no arenas or trials and didn't care they just wanted one thing for rp.Edited by boi_anachronism_ on September 13, 2022 5:10PM7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭boi_anachronism_ wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »boi_anachronism_ wrote: »RicAlmighty wrote: »I’m a casual. Hello. Devs. IM A CASUAL.... I watch content creators for advice on builds. And I have actually done a few high end raids.
Newsflash, you are not a casual. Casual players rarely leave overland. They do not PvP, they do not run Dungeons, and they certainly do not run Trials. You may consider yourself casual but you are not, you are a mid to high tier player.
That is really open to debate. I ran into a guy in a dungeon yesterday who is a casual player. Plays a few hrs a week doesn't run a ton of dungeons and every few weeks runs a normal trial and he said he did a little pvp during the last event but it's pretty rare. Has decent DPS, probably not breaking 60k based on the but mostly does overland. That's causal. Mid tier is me. I break 70k play trials regularly but am not attempting trifectas or anything. Probably do about 8hrs a week. Hardcore is 80k+, progging and doing hard content with 10-15+ hrs a week.
60k is not casual. Mid-tier is more than a few k before you can prog. Casual players don't do dlc dungeons or only do them with great complaint, most skip trials, and they generally aren't pulling more than 25k DPS. The majority of the playerbase are doing around 5k-15k damage. We know that because the specific reason cited as to why companions couldn't do more than that was that they would have out damaged a lot of the playerbase. And devs didn't want them replacing players in dungeons due to that. Most players prefer the story of this game but mid-tier players are also participating in trials and dungeons. Generally speaking the players doing trials and dungeons are also going to also hit 25k+ if they are a DPS. Because they'll actually bother to do stuff like get sets to make the trials and dungeons easier.
No it isn't. Plenty of folks been playing casually for years have 50k-60k dps. You are talking about stereotypes, people that exclusively quest and brand new players. That's one subset of a massive placer base. When I started in month 1 I had about 25k. Second month I ran about 45k and I hadn't done a single trial at this point or any dlc dungeons. I had a social guild that had one target dummy and I wanted to see where I was at because I wanted to try a normal solo arena.
Practicing on a dummy so that you can hit larger numbers for arenas is by it's not casual activity. You're defining it by time spent, but I'm defining it by the types of activities and practice someone is willing to put in.7 -
rootkitronin✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »
60k is not casual. Mid-tier is more than a few k before you can prog. Casual players don't do dlc dungeons or only do them with great complaint, most skip trials, and they generally aren't pulling more than 25k DPS.
That's just one opinion though, out of many - there's no hard and fast definition of what a casual player is (not that I'm aware of anyway), so what's the point of debating it, everyone is going to have their own opinion... and honestly, in the end, does it matter?
I wonder what the dev's definition of a casual is over at ZOS... that may be the only definition that's really relevant.Edited by rootkitronin on September 13, 2022 5:11PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭rootkitronin wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »
60k is not casual. Mid-tier is more than a few k before you can prog. Casual players don't do dlc dungeons or only do them with great complaint, most skip trials, and they generally aren't pulling more than 25k DPS.
That's just one opinion though, out of many - there's no hard and fast definition of what a casual player is (not that I'm aware of anyway), so what's the point of debating it, everyone is going to have their own opinion... and honestly, in the end, does it matter?
I wonder what the dev's definition of a casual is over at ZOS... that may be the only definition that's really relevant.
That's true, it's just that I suspect it's the way ZOS views it as well, given how they define veteran content, the way they say most of their players don't do the hard content (trials, arenas, etc) and the limits they put on companions. They probably look at the types of activities people are doing rather than how often they play per week. I also suspect this is why stuff gets a nerf even when it's not doing enough to for people to really do stuff like say prog dlc trials. Because it might have a high adoption rate for vet players doing some of the less difficult vet content.
But none of us can know for sure.Edited by spartaxoxo on September 13, 2022 5:21PM0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Had to put this huge title on this.
I’m a casual. Hello. Devs. IM A CASUAL. I’m not a top tier raider. Or PVMER. Played this game since day 1 though. I always get crown crates and homes. And purchase tons of crown store items. While I also enjoy the game casually. Anytime I want
I watch content creators for advice on builds. And I have actually done a few high end raids. But very casually.
I did them just fine btw.
This patch. Is a literal nightmare. A literal nightmare to this game. I will no longer spend another single dime until this situation is fixed .
I have to put this $ amount on my post for posterity because people …. IT IS RELEVANT.
Mods. You can’t mute me for trolling or baiting this is literal relevant data. You’ve got players here. With wallets. And money GIVING YOU FEEDBACK
read my next words VERY CAREFULLY. Read it slowly and trust me this is 100% accurate.
If you censor our posts. You are 100% censoring my money into your hands. You will not get it.
I repeat. You will not get it.
Um, you didnt actually give any feedback. Patch is a nightmare? Not saying I disagree, but there is Nothing in your post to go on. According to these forums, every patch is a nightmare and the game has been dead/dying for 8 years.
Sounds like you dont really play much endgame, and mostly buy shineys. From ZOSs perspective, they are killing it. LOL.
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Kingsindarkness✭✭✭✭✭Kingsindarkness wrote: »I personally like that we have all kinds of folks in our community
But it is getting smaller. I don’t know if you consider this a good development, as different folks remain in the community… but it is definitely not growing the last couple of weeks.
I would call this a negative trajectory and with ZoS now showing us the middle finger as well when it comes to the promised Q&A on U35, I don’t see that changing soon.
I really can't say... I'm just one person on a forum...the only thing I have to go by that people hate actually hate the update is a handful of people on the forum posting the same negative stuff over and over again.
I don't see it in game....but, the only thing that means is there is no way to tell. I can't listen to the echo chamber...and me not seeing people complain dosen't mean a heck of a lot either.
I think there are people who are upset, and get even more upset when someone disagrees with them...and I think there are people who find all the hair pulling silly.
But I'm not going to say it's this way or that because it's nothing more than conjecture.
I have no empirical evidence just feelings, throwing out a steam chart and spewing my confirmation bias all over the forum won't help anything.
I hope that make sense...
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✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »boi_anachronism_ wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »boi_anachronism_ wrote: »RicAlmighty wrote: »I’m a casual. Hello. Devs. IM A CASUAL.... I watch content creators for advice on builds. And I have actually done a few high end raids.
Newsflash, you are not a casual. Casual players rarely leave overland. They do not PvP, they do not run Dungeons, and they certainly do not run Trials. You may consider yourself casual but you are not, you are a mid to high tier player.
That is really open to debate. I ran into a guy in a dungeon yesterday who is a casual player. Plays a few hrs a week doesn't run a ton of dungeons and every few weeks runs a normal trial and he said he did a little pvp during the last event but it's pretty rare. Has decent DPS, probably not breaking 60k based on the but mostly does overland. That's causal. Mid tier is me. I break 70k play trials regularly but am not attempting trifectas or anything. Probably do about 8hrs a week. Hardcore is 80k+, progging and doing hard content with 10-15+ hrs a week.
60k is not casual. Mid-tier is more than a few k before you can prog. Casual players don't do dlc dungeons or only do them with great complaint, most skip trials, and they generally aren't pulling more than 25k DPS. The majority of the playerbase are doing around 5k-15k damage. We know that because the specific reason cited as to why companions couldn't do more than that was that they would have out damaged a lot of the playerbase. And devs didn't want them replacing players in dungeons due to that. Most players prefer the story of this game but mid-tier players are also participating in trials and dungeons. Generally speaking the players doing trials and dungeons are also going to also hit 25k+ if they are a DPS. Because they'll actually bother to do stuff like get sets to make the trials and dungeons easier.
No it isn't. Plenty of folks been playing casually for years have 50k-60k dps. You are talking about stereotypes, people that exclusively quest and brand new players. That's one subset of a massive placer base. When I started in month 1 I had about 25k. Second month I ran about 45k and I hadn't done a single trial at this point or any dlc dungeons. I had a social guild that had one target dummy and I wanted to see where I was at because I wanted to try a normal solo arena.
Practicing on a dummy so that you can hit larger numbers for arenas is by it's not casual activity. You're defining it by time spent, but I'm defining it by the types of activities and practice someone is willing to put in.
Lol trying one parse on a dummy one time because I got a suggestion from a guildmate and had literally no idea that that was even a thing is absolutely casual. I put about 5 mins of time in bruh, in 3 months. I was by no means practicing.That is the definition of casual. Hell I'd never even played an MMO before this. I didn't know what a 5 piece set was. I was absolutely, unequivocally a casual player. Your effectively saying anyone who knows what their dps is is not casual which is just wrong. Plenty of people that only pull 25k have hit a dummy once to know that.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭rootkitronin wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »
60k is not casual. Mid-tier is more than a few k before you can prog. Casual players don't do dlc dungeons or only do them with great complaint, most skip trials, and they generally aren't pulling more than 25k DPS.
That's just one opinion though, out of many - there's no hard and fast definition of what a casual player is (not that I'm aware of anyway), so what's the point of debating it, everyone is going to have their own opinion... and honestly, in the end, does it matter?
I wonder what the dev's definition of a casual is over at ZOS... that may be the only definition that's really relevant.
I will agree with this. Its like arguing over the definition of P2W, everyone has their own idea of what it means.
From ZOSs perspective, we are all "assets" to them. If OP really has spent $5k, he is one of their better assets, lol. Other than a handful of content creators that might get some special treatment (again they are just different types of assets), they dont really care how or why we play, they care that we sub, buy crowns, and buy chapters, and NOTHING more.
Now certainly there is some cause and effect going on there, but end of the day, the only power you have is to vote with your wallet. But unfortunately, One Wallet, even one with 5k earmarked for ZOS, still doesnt have a very loud voice.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on September 13, 2022 7:17PM3 -
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Maybe it's just me, but I feel like these two statements don't go together.2 -
Dysturbed✭✭✭I am also a (minor) whale. Not a Blue, maybe a Pilot Whale. But I ALSO do content and my little friends group were progressing along with the vet dungeons and were at another DPS standstill. I'm also 60 years old and not a twitch gamer any more. The Oakensoul Ring allowed me to up my game from 35k sustained to 45. First time I'd been able to break 40 sustained. I felt like I was finally "adequate" for some of the upper mid level content. This patch has me sitting right back at "mediocre" and has made any further progression for our group unthinkable.
I am gutted, mentally as well as in game. I feel no need to spend money again myself. My reward for being a long time player has been a kick in the teeth.
Feels bad man.
I agree fully. Being a retired 67 year old this was me way to relax. Bought a lot of houses and items. But my 2 mains were a temper and a sorcerer. the Oakensoul finally allowed me to do things a could not do before. I have pretty much stopped playing since the patch. I log in once a week to pay guild dues but will stop that once ESO plus runs out.
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Yeeeeaaah, except they aren't doing it every now and then. They do it practically every patch. Which is four times a year, every three months. People are getting tired and more tired of having their builds either nerfed or changed to a substantial degree four times a year. It isn't necessary in the slightest to change things so frequently, and while I don't play any other MMOs, from what I've seen people say, they don't change or "shake up" stuff as often as ZOS does.psychotrip wrote: »What part of the patch did you not like? Did you try doing any content in particular? Did you try different gear or rotation? Did you check out any content creator suggestions about what to change in your setup?
TBH your post has no relevant feedback besides your dislike for the patch.
You've perfectly explained why this patch is bad for casuals. Why should they have to do any of this as often as ZOS is making them?
Because this game has always been about horizontal progression. ZOS will inevitably shake the proverbial snow globe every now and then with a patch that nerfs/changes aspects of gameplay.
PC-NA | Been around since closed beta
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RP Characters:
Sarah Lacroix: Breton Vampire who really really REALLY likes likes learning Magick and also her Altmer husbando
Kaalhil Swiftstrike: Tiny shapeshifting monster hunter Bosmeri lady with enough sass to kill a dragon or ten
Gwendolyn Jenelle: Friendly healer with a coffee addiction and her own medical practice
Krisiel: Literally crazy Werewolf, no like legit insane. She nuts
Kiju Veran: Ex-Fighters Guild Suthay who likes to punch things and is also a spy and ALSO a Werewolf
Niralae Elsinal: Young Altmeri woman with way too much Magicka and Vampire husbando
Slondor: TESified Slenderman, except lazier and has more of a thing for deals than Clavicus Vile does
Marius Vastino: Sarah's Imperial apathetic sire who likes to monologue
Lirawyn Calatare: Traveling performer and bard who's 101% vanilla bean
Soliril Larethian: Blind alchemist who uses animals to see and brews plagues in his spare time4 -
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✭I'm also done spending any more money, and it's definitely been a lot. This update, the constant back-and-forth changes and then also banning my forum account for some tame joke - that was more than enough to delete my goodwill. Thank you very much for taking such a decision for me.
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