There is a real problem on Auriel's Bow

wnwtan · May 2014

Can't say for those who love PvE, but i personally have leveled vr1-7 in Cyrodiil. Done about 1 or 2 vr content quests in stonefalls and gave up on questing. I know there's an issue with bugged quests and all but leveling in cyrodiil is definitely viable.

carazvaneb17_ESO · May 2014

As a suggestion to fix this might I ask for some organized AD to guest in Wabbajack? Currently EP has started to have numbers there especially during the night and during the day AD only gets up to 2 bars.

This way you can get more interesting fights. Let DC/EP get a few keeps and also come back after a few hours and have something to attack again. Also DC/EP will feel more inclined to return.

I'm speaking on this as a DC player. The main organized AD currently in Wabbajack seems to be 2 medium groups (7-8 ) of high lvl players (with many former emperors) that wait for a battle to happen between DC and EP usually between Ales and chal and then setup to kill players going to the main battle from either side. Another fun moment today for example was 5 AD players somehow getting inside glade keep even though all doors and walls were up trying to cut off transit. Why they wouldn't try this magic to try to get into a keep with one of their scrolls from EP no idea.

Marstar · May 2014

AryaWythers wrote: »

There are plenty of servers where DC owns everything...I left four of them because it was no fun chasing five players around those huge maps.

Not in the timezone this thread is about. L2Read.

AryaWythers · May 2014

Marstar wrote: »

AryaWythers wrote: »

There are plenty of servers where DC owns everything...I left four of them because it was no fun chasing five players around those huge maps.

Not in the timezone this thread is about. L2Read.

Yes there are I played on FOUR of them at all times of night and day of every time zone

Maybe all those players were sick of running around farming AD and EP everyday all day...and so many times in Auriels Bow we do fine also.

It's RvRvR and if you can't take another team doing well at a specific time of day...just guest to one where your team own the whole map and just be happy then when you are running around for hours to get a few kills and see how long it takes to finish the kill 20 players daily

RedTalon · May 2014

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AryaWythers · May 2014

Just to much QQ and not enough Pew Pew on one of the best Campaigns around!
Nothing more...except for a few trying to write books with single responses that almost take up a whole thread page

RedTalon · May 2014

Well hopefully both DC and EP break two population bars tonight, we are still at one so far. Last night DC and EP where both at two during prime time.

Think people are already switching campaigns.

AryaWythers · May 2014

Yeah we have so many trolls on DC that just antagonize regular and new players alike and yes I check the ranking for us and we have people switching....FACT
When I move up in RANK when logged off, pretty good indication...not by a little either and these are people from top 600 ranking overall an top 200 hundred in DC leaving in some hefty numbers here and there

No amount of server balance can make up for a bunch of Trolls...just wait for a new player to ask how to leave and 30 Neckbeards will attack him for his simple question, while filling chat with nothing but profanity themselves...but I like being spawn camped so I don't mind. Defense is fun for me

Nobody on the other two servers should feel bad for what the DC community has done for themselves...they didn't feel bad a week ago when we ran stuff every night...trust me chat was filled with insults about AD exploiters and cheaters even when we had Emp and owned most of the map

RedTalon · May 2014

@AryaWythersAryaWythers But yeah most of the trolls are people with alts in the ad faction, it does get kinda of annoying and pretty sure with how things are going AB is going to be another dawnbreaker which think over all is what the majority of AD wants.(kidding sort of but you know, trolls gotta troll so dont think that will end.)

Speaking of which anyone have any suggestions for other campaigns besides wabblejack since my alt is in that one. Just incase the faction is nothing but trolls in the end. :P

I have to admit defense is fun for me mainly when outnumbered and get a few kills in before sneaking off before AD can take revanage, don't always get away but most of the time I do. (loves flaming oil and how AD charges in when they have high numbers)

AryaWythers · May 2014

I have been to so many Campaigns were DC rules whole map and I just want to be outnumbered because I like defense better (not as much running place to place)...if people really feel the need to bring alts to sabotage their enemies then I feel sad for them also. I just have fun and hope they fix the grouping bug so I can finally get into a group.

My PvP runs fine (well as fine as ESO can be) if I run around by myself but gets old after 3 weeks...better than spending hours in loading screens though.

Of course Supports brilliant answer was not to use way shrines to go to Cyrodiil after a week and tons of detailed messages...Aye Aye Captain Brain Dead, pretty sure I covered that 20 times already and said that I never have once repeatedly, but thanks for the insightful SUPPORT!

At one point I started insulting them because I thought they were mocking me with SILLY answers...and their response was are you satisfied with your support? Didn't I just tell you to go and do unspeakable things to your mother and you are asking me if I'm satisfied...they just wont stop mocking their paying customers though!

RedTalon · May 2014

I haven't had to use customer support since beta, guess they have changed.

shirorxb14_ESO · May 2014

Scrolls in general should be far more difficult to take. Using DAoC relics as an example, it should take days if not weeks to properly setup scroll taking raids. Right now its a joke, easier than taking some keeps.

shirorxb14_ESO · May 2014

And no matter what any EP or DC say here, the oceanics have no intention of leaving, they intend to push a free zerg advantage rather than challenge themselves. This is the true level of their commitment to pvp, "lets stay where its not hard to run ppl over 5 to 1"

AryaWythers · May 2014

Like DC does on so many servers...and the reason I transferred to the Bow. AD just has the smarter players overall in this campaign so of course people will flock to them it's only natural...no denying that, no matter what you may want to say about numbers. I can attest to that from the DC side

But then again people can just QQ about wrongdoing and server population balance while executing horrible tactics repeatedly in RvRvR...that is natural also, happens in every MMO to date.
Oh yes don't forget to insult and swear at every new player asking basic questions...this helps our faction grow strong.
I'm sure they deserve it for just being new

RedTalon · May 2014

The thing is most of the people on AB currently are from dawnbreaker originally, if you noticed when dawnbreaker offically got low pop for all factions and when AD on AB started staying constant...would say there may be some in certian timezones who want a challange.

But if I recall right AD has an whole wanted to stick together in war campaigns, so stack it all in one place if possible.

You have to also keep in mind there is still an exiisting exploit when you faction controls all the map, you can pretty much do scouting missions go to the spot, then scout it then port back and turn in and repeat. One of the reasons why a lot like to stack it in campaigns. (Not sure if this has been fixed yet.)

But glad there are some fixes coming for vampires will make pvp a lot better and they are looking into fixing bolt escape when you have a scroll so you cant use it. Think in the end your gooing have to run scrolls by foot.

Najarati · May 2014

Frankly, I haven't noticed DC on AB being any more "troll-like" than any other faction. Then again, I don't much pay attention to zone chat. If I'm not talking over Teamspeak or Ventrilo then I'm reading group/guild chat.

AryaWythers · May 2014

RedTalon wrote: »

The thing is most of the people on AB currently are from dawnbreaker originally, if you noticed when dawnbreaker offically got low pop for all factions and when AD on AB started staying constant...would say there may be some in certian timezones who want a challange.

But if I recall right AD has an whole wanted to stick together in war campaigns, so stack it all in one place if possible.

You have to also keep in mind there is still an exiisting exploit when you faction controls all the map, you can pretty much do scouting missions go to the spot, then scout it then port back and turn in and repeat. One of the reasons why a lot like to stack it in campaigns. (Not sure if this has been fixed yet.)

But glad there are some fixes coming for vampires will make pvp a lot better and they are looking into fixing bolt escape when you have a scroll so you cant use it. Think in the end your gooing have to run scrolls by foot.

Well I wouldn't call it an exploit because those Campaigns are the first to fall...xp is so much better in PvE that it's really not worth it for this when the server will most likely die as a result of one faction owning the map all the time.

I will just move around like so many others...no kind of reward will keep me on a Dead PvP server...I learned my lesson in SWTOR!!!

Lol...pretty sure their downfall was screwing over PvP'rs though, seems funny that Zenimax wants to follow in their footsteps!

PvPrs have always been the backbone to any stable MMO...the PvErs will just leave after they get to END game in a week and Cry there isn't any new content, been happening for years now!

Sorry have played on five different DC campaigns and yes There Is a Problem on Auriels Bow for Sure!!!

RedTalon · May 2014

@AryaWythers This weekend will be a good incinerator if its time to move or not, probably will know by Saturday, and will be watching pop bars tonight.

Though do feel bad for people in certain time zones, seems everyone in certian areas picked AD for the most part, but hey they can always switch factions and start a new char if they want a challenge.

AryaWythers · May 2014

RedTalon wrote: »

@AryaWythers This weekend will be a good incinerator if its time to move or not, probably will know by Saturday, and will be watching pop bars tonight.

Though do feel bad for people in certain time zones, seems everyone in certian areas picked AD for the most part, but hey they can always switch factions and start a new char if they want a challenge.

DC is fine on plenty of Campaigns so don't worry about these people that want to run the map 24/7, AD has done nothing wrong in my book at all...I do worry about EP though so I will only speak for what I see DC side. They have been a lot more active on the Bow and Hope that EP will increase in numbers and keep up the good fights

This thread was started when we ran map during US prime time, but complained about Oceanics...so just take it like a grain of salt and another hypocritical thread in the RvRvR world, where people just hate to not be winning even if it's only for a few hours a day

Just happens that Our population is dwindling from either the troll community or just poor sports that couldn't stand loosing a few keeps in off hour server time...will always happen on every side though, you can count on that!

RedTalon · May 2014

@AryaWythers Will keep that in mind, and yeah EP has been suffering more then DC. I don't think they have had an emp in this campaign since early access.

But yeah will take it with an grain of salt.

AryaWythers · May 2014

RedTalon wrote: »

@AryaWythers Will keep that in mind, and yeah EP has been suffering more then DC. I don't think they have had an emp in this campaign since early access.

But yeah will take it with an grain of salt.

They haven't so just enjoy the taste of all those DC tears because I will give you none

I will most likely see you while I am fighting for my life in a sieged Keep...have fun in game though, and hope you get a box for killing me at some point!

AryaWythers · May 2014

I have had Issues with a completely bogus and rule breaking guild and left DC...I hate this server now so much and wish I never started with them

keylargo · May 2014

Sykotik_ESO wrote: »

How is this a serious complaint? Its like telling the entire world they can't do anything while the US sleeps. In ANY rvr, wvw, massive wars like this there is always off peak hours for the USA which are peak hours for other timezones. If oceanics or Europeans decided to play on the dominion mostly they aren't bad people because of it...it is what they chose.

This is like the longest running pointless complaint for this type of PvP lol, the limitations may be fine for us, but what happens when the oceanic people all want to play together but they can't because we don't want them having their full members when we don't? That's pretty unfair IMO.

I absolutely agree.

shirorxb14_ESO · May 2014

All AD players should be reporting dudes like Djcoin who remove scrolls from their own keeps using cross faction friends. Sabotaging your own faction every day and you allow him to.

Lord_Draevan · May 2014

shirorxb14_ESO wrote: »

All AD players should be reporting dudes like Djcoin who remove scrolls from their own keeps using cross faction friends. Sabotaging your own faction every day and you allow him to.

Seriously? There are people who remove Scrolls from their faction's keeps and bring it to the enemy? I thought you couldn't pick up a Scroll from your keeps once it was placed.
If so, wow. That's just pathetic...

ThreeEyedCrow · May 2014

shirorxb14_ESO wrote: »

And no matter what any EP or DC say here, the oceanics have no intention of leaving, they intend to push a free zerg advantage rather than challenge themselves. This is the true level of their commitment to pvp, "lets stay where its not hard to run ppl over 5 to 1"

Honest question,

Is there anything against this in terms of service?

Because far more than say, "roleplaying a vampire hunter" to kill Bloodfiend spawns, it seems perfectly natural for me for some players to like the idea of playing as a spy/traitor/double agent. If there is a specific mechanic with how the scrolls are being taken (yes i know exactly how it is done) then perhaps that needs to be addressed in Keep design, but I am really not seeing how this is so offensive.

It seems like a fun way to play an MMO for a time, as a spy/traitor/double agent. Of course its going to upset people in some way, but... really? I don't see how someone could be "offended" by this tactic. Its a tactic. Its a wargame pvp. *shrugs*. A lot of people played previous ESO single player games as traitors, spies, etc...

Maybe Sylvanna Synapse can give some input on AD reaction to this...

Mends_from_Shadows · May 2014

I don't know how anyone can argue that this is a legitimate tactic when you have to bypass everything the developers of the game put in place to protect the scrolls.

It should not be as easy as getting some idiot on Faction A to pull some other idiot on Faction B to the keep so that Faction B guy can pick it up and die in order to let Faction A guy pick up the scroll and run it to whichever Faction they want to give the scroll to.

It's not fair to the faction defending the scroll, and it makes the faction who is capping scrolls this way look like they can't capture a scroll legitimately.

I don't know if this is bannable or not, but I am shaming the hell out of every person who does it (hello Warz, Seozz) in our zone chat. I, and many others on Ebonheart Pact would like to win and do things the right way; not by having victories handed to us.

Iceman_mat · May 2014

Nerfing AD in bow is not a fair balance.

When I played in Bow I found that from 8am - 5pm is a complete waste of time. You might take this as rage, you might take this as "he's a noob" I don't really care but when it takes me 4 hours to not only explain but try to get a group to implement a flank tactic and get told to "shut up noob" or "you don't know anything" or whatever for those four hours (yes I counted) to only have it not only implemented but succeed and take one of the scrolls back (yes I timed it and watched it happen) in 30 minutes from after 5pm (seriously) then your problem isn't player numbers it's communication and teamwork.

Instead of going into an essay like post I will simply show you why you are good or bad in pvp with how you think of this statement I received from another player, in the pvp, during the 4 hours of trying to get a flank maneuver to work.

He said, and I quote (mind you this is in a 3 way war between 3 factions on 1 map, were the variable is AD has more players then us) "BP is not important to DC".

Being your flaming.
-Cheers

AryaWythers · May 2014

Mends_from_Shadows wrote: »

I don't know how anyone can argue that this is a legitimate tactic when you have to bypass everything the developers of the game put in place to protect the scrolls.

It should not be as easy as getting some idiot on Faction A to pull some other idiot on Faction B to the keep so that Faction B guy can pick it up and die in order to let Faction A guy pick up the scroll and run it to whichever Faction they want to give the scroll to.

It's not fair to the faction defending the scroll, and it makes the faction who is capping scrolls this way look like they can't capture a scroll legitimately.

I don't know if this is bannable or not, but I am shaming the hell out of every person who does it (hello Warz, Seozz) in our zone chat. I, and many others on Ebonheart Pact would like to win and do things the right way; not by having victories handed to us.

I have yet to see this happen except on one DC Camp where we owned the whole map and just trying to help the five people on the other side....needless to say neither side would take the scroll and was just a huge waste of time, then again chasing five people around the map everyday was a lot worst. And I wasn't in support of this fyi.

Mends_from_Shadows · May 2014

It's happened the last two days without fail. All the scrolls EP held yesterday were gained because of this exploit.