The latest patch destroyed your build? And the one before as well? There is a reason behind it.
Akskad
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You found your perfect build with your fantastic armour set. You spent days farming all pieces, and then spent gold and materials to make them all gold. Finally, your perfect build is finalised, and you can go to brave Tamriel.
Next patch: the set has been nerved, the skills have been nerved or have disappeared.
You cannot use that beloved build anymore, so off to the next one. Days and days of farming, gold and materials spent, etc etc etc but wait! The nest patch arrives and everything is destroyed yet again. You must start all over again.
Do you see a pattern here?
Is this a coincidence? Bad planning (not from your side, clearly)? Or something else?
What if this is something else, so that you constantly need more and more materials, more and more gold, more and more farming, more and more waste of time, more and more time spent in Tamriel on odious chores, boring farming, and tiring dungeons?
Is this the strategy that someone has come up with to keep players "engaged"/"busy" in Tamriel? Forcing them to start all over again and again and again?
Again Chromium platin for rings? Again transmute stones needed to stransmute useless traits? Again?
There is no certainty in anything. It's like having an unreliable, capricious, inconsistent lover. No wonder that so many players had enough.
At least, since we wasted so many precious materials on sets that ZOS deliberately made useless shortly afterwards, and I am not even counting the waste of time, the minimum they could do would be to allow us to recover 100% of all materials used. All of them. Like ALL.
Although... that would still not be enough to compensate for the stress.
Edited by ZOS_Suserial on September 7, 2022 5:17PM Next patch: the set has been nerved, the skills have been nerved or have disappeared.
You cannot use that beloved build anymore, so off to the next one. Days and days of farming, gold and materials spent, etc etc etc but wait! The nest patch arrives and everything is destroyed yet again. You must start all over again.
Do you see a pattern here?
Is this a coincidence? Bad planning (not from your side, clearly)? Or something else?
What if this is something else, so that you constantly need more and more materials, more and more gold, more and more farming, more and more waste of time, more and more time spent in Tamriel on odious chores, boring farming, and tiring dungeons?
Is this the strategy that someone has come up with to keep players "engaged"/"busy" in Tamriel? Forcing them to start all over again and again and again?
Again Chromium platin for rings? Again transmute stones needed to stransmute useless traits? Again?
There is no certainty in anything. It's like having an unreliable, capricious, inconsistent lover. No wonder that so many players had enough.
At least, since we wasted so many precious materials on sets that ZOS deliberately made useless shortly afterwards, and I am not even counting the waste of time, the minimum they could do would be to allow us to recover 100% of all materials used. All of them. Like ALL.
Although... that would still not be enough to compensate for the stress.
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Karm1cOne✭✭✭✭✭Or your super special build relied on the overtuned sets they put in every dlc to sell copies. Once everyone buys it, they can nerf it to be in line with the overall power curve of other sets.8 -
PrimusTiberius✭✭✭✭The game and the sets are going to change and evolve, been happening since 2014.Everyone is going in one direction, I'm going the other direction5 -
deleted221205-002626✭✭✭✭✭At least, since we wasted so many precious materials on sets that ZOS deliberately made useless shortly afterwards, and I am not even counting the waste of time, the minimum they could do would be to allow us to recover 100% of all materials used. All of them. Like ALL.
Although... that would still not be enough to compensate for the stress.
If they did that then the materials would be worthless and you wouldnt be concerned about buying them at all making it all pointless... At least doing what they do now keeps the wheels turning and burning for the ingame economy!Edited by deleted221205-002626 on September 7, 2022 3:00PM1 -
Akskad✭✭✭At least, since we wasted so many precious materials on sets that ZOS deliberately made useless shortly afterwards, and I am not even counting the waste of time, the minimum they could do would be to allow us to recover 100% of all materials used. All of them. Like ALL.
Although... that would still not be enough to compensate for the stress.
If they did that then the materials would be worthless and you wouldnt be concerned about buying them at all making it all pointless... At least doing what they do now keeps the wheels turning and burning for the ingame economy!
Exactly what I said, it is intentional to keep players "busy". Pity that not many want to be "busy" in this way.4 -
SPR_of_HA_community✭✭✭✭We played in old sets, but even old sets and builds that are not META, not top DPS - get nerfs.
CP system, classes with their passives, not top DPS builds - all get nerfs.
Only META sets does not. Game has hundreds of sets, a lot of different weapons, but you only really can play with those that are most "fashioned" in current patch.
Why not to make all sets and weapons good and playable ?
So yes, I think you have a point.5 -
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✭✭✭I usually keep away from the most egregiously overturned stuff, as I dont feel like I need training wheels to play the game.
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EF321✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nerfs, I don't care about nerfs of existing numbers. They change how sets actually function, they take existing sets and make it into something else, that is not even usable in your current already existing configuration.
Some examples:
Changing applied debuff to target for some amount of time to constant effect with much lower numbers and debuff to yourself
Changing proc condition from dodge role (defensive action, core combat ability) to pull/charge (offensive action, requires specific ability to be slotted and used)
Not like I did 45 runs of annoying dungeon (that costs money to even have access to) for backbar weapon that is now actively harmful to have on backbar...3 -
I think that without it we will be even more bored, it's a blessing in disguise my comrade !!0
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NettleCarrier✭✭✭✭✭SPR_of_HA_community wrote: »We played in old sets, but even old sets and builds that are not META, not top DPS - get nerfs.
CP system, classes with their passives, not top DPS builds - all get nerfs.
Only META sets does not. Game has hundreds of sets, a lot of different weapons, but you only really can play with those that are most "fashioned" in current patch.
Why not to make all sets and weapons good and playable ?
So yes, I think you have a point.
The difference in power of all the "top" sets isn't that much between them, players are always going to want to wear the absolute best and therefor making "all sets and weapons good and playable" is not realistic unless we just strip all of them of any stats. There's always going to be a set outperforming another in a specific situation by 1% and as long as that 1% exists then everyone will only use that set because it'll be put on every build out there.Edited by NettleCarrier on September 7, 2022 3:12PMGM of Gold Coast Corsairs - PCNA0 -
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✭This is the very reason, why character building only game is so terrible.My playing time Mon-Friday UTC13:00-16:00 [PC-NA] CP over2000 now.
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SPR_of_HA_community✭✭✭✭NettleCarrier wrote: »SPR_of_HA_community wrote: »We played in old sets, but even old sets and builds that are not META, not top DPS - get nerfs.
CP system, classes with their passives, not top DPS builds - all get nerfs.
Only META sets does not. Game has hundreds of sets, a lot of different weapons, but you only really can play with those that are most "fashioned" in current patch.
Why not to make all sets and weapons good and playable ?
So yes, I think you have a point.
The difference in power of all the "top" sets isn't that much between them, players are always going to want to wear the absolute best and therefor making "all sets and weapons good and playable" is not realistic unless we just strip all of them of any stats. There's always going to be a set outperforming another in a specific situation by 1% and as long as that 1% exists then everyone will only use that set because it'll be put on every build out there.
In current patch difference of our and top DPS sets are 30%-40% in DPS !
30-40%!!!
I do not really care if it would be about 5-10%.
But 30-40% !!! Sets like Infiltrator becomes totally useless. And only PVE sets. And only PVE some skills.
Just as example.Edited by SPR_of_HA_community on September 7, 2022 3:22PM0 -
deleted221205-002626✭✭✭✭✭At least, since we wasted so many precious materials on sets that ZOS deliberately made useless shortly afterwards, and I am not even counting the waste of time, the minimum they could do would be to allow us to recover 100% of all materials used. All of them. Like ALL.
Although... that would still not be enough to compensate for the stress.
If they did that then the materials would be worthless and you wouldnt be concerned about buying them at all making it all pointless... At least doing what they do now keeps the wheels turning and burning for the ingame economy!
Exactly what I said, it is intentional to keep players "busy". Pity that not many want to be "busy" in this way.
yes but its what keeps the wheels turning... Same as in real life! You wont make money at work without people spending money! people need to spend for business to prosper and then to pay employees! The more things cost the more you make.0 -
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✭✭It's rather difficult to balance system with hundreds of parts with all potentially interacting with each other. Some games do it by having strictly limited selection of all good choices, others have few good and plenty of not that good.0 -
ziggy29✭✭✭I can see it to a point, but I also see the alternative: Once you have the ultimate gear set for your build, then what is there to strive for? I agree these things shouldn't be nerfed to Oblivion and back, but there should always, periodically, be something better to work for. Seems like it would get stale and boring otherwise.0
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✭✭At least, since we wasted so many precious materials on sets that ZOS deliberately made useless shortly afterwards, and I am not even counting the waste of time, the minimum they could do would be to allow us to recover 100% of all materials used. All of them. Like ALL.
Although... that would still not be enough to compensate for the stress.
If they did that then the materials would be worthless and you wouldnt be concerned about buying them at all making it all pointless... At least doing what they do now keeps the wheels turning and burning for the ingame economy!
Exactly what I said, it is intentional to keep players "busy". Pity that not many want to be "busy" in this way.
yes but its what keeps the wheels turning... Same as in real life! You wont make money at work without people spending money! people need to spend for business to prosper and then to pay employees! The more things cost the more you make.
That assumes that I pay them because of the changes. In truth I pay them despite the changes. I dont need changes at this frequency to feel engaged in the content. If that were true, then there is an issue with the content.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sets be damned. I rely on tried and true simple (Seducers, Julianos, Mother's Sorrow, Hunding's Rage, etc). My dps vs actual dungeon/world bosses (not dummy parsing) dropped from 25k to 15k dps. Who knew I was so close to the ceiling that I had to be lowered and that 'accessibility' to moderate level content needed to be reduced?PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo9 -
EF321✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Or your super special build relied on the overtuned sets they put in every dlc to sell copies. Once everyone buys it, they can nerf it to be in line with the overall power curve of other sets.
Sets I mentioned in my other comment here were completely untouched since their release, base game and 2 year old DLC, no changes. I definitely can safely build around these, these are not overturned sets meant to sell new content, right?0 -
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✭✭I can see it to a point, but I also see the alternative: Once you have the ultimate gear set for your build, then what is there to strive for? I agree these things shouldn't be nerfed to Oblivion and back, but there should always, periodically, be something better to work for. Seems like it would get stale and boring otherwise.
Not everyone is looking for a build challenge. Some of us want to hop in with the build we set up to our liking and you know just play.PCNA
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✭✭Such is the curse of horizontal progression, where the temptation of the devs to shake the metaphorical snowglobe is just too great!
Although I consider myself a casual player. I still have to put in a considerable amount of time testing new things on the PTS just to ensure my DPS is at a level where I won't get randomly kicked.
I play on PC, and it was only two days ago since the patch dropped that I was able to finish farming the new set I needed to get my damage back up. I spent all that time on my tank build which I do enjoy playing. I also spent millions of AP on pots and gold jewelry from the PvP event to sell at guild traders so I can gold out my new set the second I obtained all the pieces.
Realistically one cannot expect a truly casual player to login and know exactly what new thing they need to farm to get back their lost power or what tweaks they need to make to their rotation. The peeps ZOS wants to raise the flower for rarely have the time or resources needed to get back theit lost power in a reasonable amount of time.
A grace period of week that starts the second one logs in after a new patch drops (can login a year from now and see the grace period announcement detailing in full all patches your characters have yet to experience and how long one has before the grace period ends) where we could get back 100% or even 50% of materials and transmute stones used would be a decent compromise.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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