Tonturri wrote: »

DaisyRay wrote: »

I'm probably one of the few who don't mind how strong healing is. If we don't have strong healing, then there will be no place for healers in pvp. People are so unnecessarily strong in pvp, so we need that extra boost in healing. Even with all my best heals, cp points, and sets, I still end up not being a good enough healer for some attacks. I think healing balances out all those crazy strong crits.

I've been called a few names for healing people through attacks, usually from gankers and or 1vxrs. No one complains about people who make builds to deal out the most damage they can possibly fathom, but as soon as a healer makes a build to balance out that power they are horrible players.

What do you mean. People complain all the time, particularly about proc burst. People don't mind the strong healing, I think, insomuch as they mind that certain healing effects can easily stack but require disproportionately less investment, and stats function such that 'healer' involves basically just slotting a heal skill because it scales off spell/wpn dmg and max stat, too, resulting in characters who are not so much 'healers' as they just happen to have some healing skills equipped. This ultimately allows people to very easily stack healing effects, turning groups with mostly damage or other utility skills slotted into powerful constant heals.

Like the resto staff HoT. Slot that on there, take the morph that applies it to more people, and mash it a few times in between whatever else you're doing. Bamf, huge amount of healing for very little investment, particularly if everyone does it - and they can, with equally little investment, and it stacks.

Amottica wrote: »

My comment you quoted spoke to hard caps so not sure what you point is.

Further, as I also noted in another post, I run with a group that is conscious of their composition. We balance out our healing and damage and tanking with our small group. It has led to some great epic fights against other well-organized groups while also leading to steamrolling over pugs and lesser groups which are to be expected. There is a benefit to being organized and playing the game as it is designed and pretty much intended.

Dem_kitkats1 wrote: »

CharlieFreak wrote: »

Isn't the real problem that building for damage = building for healing and all classes having access to healing skills (or can backbar a resto staff)?

Other people have said it already on the forums - that this is a serious flaw of the game. But it's also a great strength. In many ways I like this. It allows you to solo in pvp and pve quite well. It allows you to play with a very loose collection of players without demanding a specific group configuration. But it does have drawbacks and leads to this problem of too much healing in pvp. Everyone can do it to some extent.

To those calling for an end to cross healing, think carefully if you really want that. This game is fantastic in that anyone with a few minutes to play can jump right into the action and zerg surf or look for some fights somewhere without a great reliance on a certain group configuration.

If you ever played Dark Age of Camelot, for example. you'll remember that you couldn't pvp (or pve) at all without being grouped with at least one healer. If no healers you knew were online, you'd stand at the base camp and spam LFG forever.

Surely ending cross healing can only make organized groups even more invincible.

DAoC is a game where roles actually have hard limits and meaning. Dps are solely reliant on tanks and healers to keep them alive, for they have 0 self healing, and healers and tanks do literally no damage in that game. ESO is not like that in that players have a great deal of access to damage mitigation, self healing, and damage regardless of "role". Addressing the issues with cross-healing and h.o.t stacking won't suddenly make DDs completely defenseless like in other games. I don't think anyone is suggesting to get rid of cross-healing altogether, but merely limiting it along with h.o.t.s. Therefore, players will still be able to hit one another with random RRs/Vigors regardless of their role.

There's no getting around the fact that organized groups will always be powerful. However, they are almost invincible now just by their access to infinite rotations of cross heals, h.o.t.s, aoe healing, and individual self-healing alone, regardless of their group compositions. At least if their heals were limited, then players might actually have more viable ways to pressure and input damage to organized groups without only relying on extreme burst to do it.