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Vigor Resolving
Runkorko
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"Vigor
Resolving Vigor (morph): Reverted the healing reductions made to this morph. It now grants Minor Resolve, rather than Major Resolve, to prevent the skill from actively harming class identity and importance to run other sources of this buff."
You decrease the over damage, and keep adding extra mitigations for stamina classes ?
Outside pve healers, few, even zero, magica builds use Vigor.
Why you keep buffing stamina builds?
Why even change vigor ? No one requested it.
Resolving Vigor (morph): Reverted the healing reductions made to this morph. It now grants Minor Resolve, rather than Major Resolve, to prevent the skill from actively harming class identity and importance to run other sources of this buff."
You decrease the over damage, and keep adding extra mitigations for stamina classes ?
Outside pve healers, few, even zero, magica builds use Vigor.
Why you keep buffing stamina builds?
Why even change vigor ? No one requested it.
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K9002✭✭✭✭✭This is a nice change for tanks who run Powerful Assault, especially with newly extended PA duration. Really helps the medium armor or mixed armor tank builds.4 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is a nice change for tanks who run Powerful Assault, especially with newly extended PA duration. Really helps the medium armor or mixed armor tank builds.
In CP pvp, med armor 5/5 already have 25=28k mits +20% aoe dmg reduction all the time.
Adding xtra mitigations only to stamina builds its not fair and far from balanced.
PvE tanks need more sustain than mits. They are already capped. Same for PvP heavy builds.
If you give extra mits to one side. be sure you give some xtra penetration to the oposite side.
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brtomkin✭✭✭With hybrid scaling, I run vigor on magic characters too. This along with Powerful Assault change was just enough to salvage this patch for me.PS5 NA: Pickmans__Model, CP 2000+8 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭With hybrid scaling, I run vigor on magic characters too. This along with Powerful Assault change was just enough to salvage this patch for me.
You do run it on mag build ok, but can you cast it and keep it on with 100% up time. No.
Stam build will do. Hope you see my point.
Also as mag dps, you hardly have slot for vigor on your bars.
Ofc you are free to run it, but this wont make you more viable.2 -
brtomkin✭✭✭Technically speaking, with the hybrid scaling, I don't run "magic" or "stamina" builds anymore - they simply favor one or the other. But, I always make sure I can sustain the skills I want to use whether it is a stamina heal on a magic-leaning character or a magic heal on a stamina-leaning character. I am very happy in no-cp and BGs using this philosophy. Vigor will now be crucial to my brawler magblade with the upcoming dark cloak nerf.PS5 NA: Pickmans__Model, CP 2000+1
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olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭"Vigor
Resolving Vigor (morph): Reverted the healing reductions made to this morph. It now grants Minor Resolve, rather than Major Resolve, to prevent the skill from actively harming class identity and importance to run other sources of this buff."
You decrease the over damage, and keep adding extra mitigations for stamina classes ?
Outside pve healers, few, even zero, magica builds use Vigor.
Why you keep buffing stamina builds?
Why even change vigor ? No one requested it.
Careful now, before we know it Vigor will cost half magicka and half stamina...uups
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Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭Technically speaking, with the hybrid scaling, I don't run "magic" or "stamina" builds anymore - they simply favor one or the other. But, I always make sure I can sustain the skills I want to use whether it is a stamina heal on a magic-leaning character or a magic heal on a stamina-leaning character. I am very happy in no-cp and BGs using this philosophy. Vigor will now be crucial to my brawler magblade with the upcoming dark cloak nerf.
Brawler mag blade said enough
You realise 1 vigor+ 1 CC break and HALF dodge roll and you are out of stamina right ?
The heck with your brawler MAGblade idea mate
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Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Keep in mind this skill is not that expensive, anyone can run it mag or stam, since hybrid changes.
Still kinda wierd, we went from this skill being too weak on pts to being too strong.2 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭Keep in mind this skill is not that expensive, anyone can run it mag or stam, since hybrid changes.
Still kinda wierd, we went from this skill being too weak on pts to being too strong.
Hybrid changes just apply your higher resource bonus to your oposire resource skills. Thats all.
Isnt expensive for medium armor builds with lots of stamina regen. I agree.
What about 5/5 light armor builds or 3/3 light 3/3 heavy 1/1 med armor / magica builds.
Also every decent player / outside tank and heal builds/ runs vamp this season.
Gl using vigor on magic build. There are no hybrid dps builds. No matter what zos say.
You can use some utility skill from oposite resource but thats all.
Vigor is utility one too and you can allow yourself to use it for emergency heal, i agree. But you wont be able to keep it up all the time as stamina builds wiill. So you wont get benefit from it.
Go and test on PTS.1 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Keep in mind this skill is not that expensive, anyone can run it mag or stam, since hybrid changes.
Still kinda wierd, we went from this skill being too weak on pts to being too strong.
Hybrid changes just apply your higher resource bonus to your oposire resource skills. Thats all.
Isnt expensive for medium armor builds with lots of stamina regen. I agree.
What about 5/5 light armor builds or 3/3 light 3/3 heavy 1/1 med armor / magica builds.
Also every decent player / outside tank and heal builds/ runs vamp this season.
Gl using vigor on magic build. There are no hybrid dps builds. No matter what zos say.
You can use some utility skill from oposite resource but thats all.
Vigor is utility one too and you can allow yourself to use it for emergency heal, i agree. But you wont be able to keep it up all the time as stamina builds wiill. So you wont get benefit from it.
Go and test on PTS.
I dont know what to tell you.
I already run more medium pieces even on mag builds, beacuse light is too squishy.
Also just a quick note, nearly all class based burst heals cost magicka, and stam toons have to sustain mag in order to run those.
People will adapt.
The whole mag vs stam divide is nowhere near as stark as it used to be.
Also there are absolutely hybrid builds these days, on my templar half my damaging skills cost magicka, and most of my utility and healing skills.
Edited by Firstmep on August 8, 2022 5:52PM2 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭Keep in mind this skill is not that expensive, anyone can run it mag or stam, since hybrid changes.
Still kinda wierd, we went from this skill being too weak on pts to being too strong.
Hybrid changes just apply your higher resource bonus to your oposire resource skills. Thats all.
Isnt expensive for medium armor builds with lots of stamina regen. I agree.
What about 5/5 light armor builds or 3/3 light 3/3 heavy 1/1 med armor / magica builds.
Also every decent player / outside tank and heal builds/ runs vamp this season.
Gl using vigor on magic build. There are no hybrid dps builds. No matter what zos say.
You can use some utility skill from oposite resource but thats all.
Vigor is utility one too and you can allow yourself to use it for emergency heal, i agree. But you wont be able to keep it up all the time as stamina builds wiill. So you wont get benefit from it.
Go and test on PTS.
I dont know what to tell you.
I already run more medium pieces even on mag builds, beacuse light is too squishy.
Also just a quick note, nearly all class based burst heals cost magicka, and stam toons have to sustain mag in order to run those.
People will adapt.
The whole mag vs stam divide is nowhere near as stark as it used to be.
Also there are absolutely hybrid builds these days, on my templar half my damaging skills cost magicka, and most of my utility and healing skills.
We dont speak about burst heals.
We speak about extra mitigations comming from skill which is used only for heal / till now/ and which buffs stamina builds can keep up 24/7 and magica ones wont.
So yes , i dont know how to say it more clearly. If you play mag build you will understand with time, if this change go live.
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mzprx✭✭✭✭✭Careful now, before we know it Vigor will cost half magicka and half stamina...uups
now you've done it. haven't you learned anything? don't give ZOS silly ideas, they will take them, increase the silliness by 100% or more and then we'll have more "new and exciting" changes implemented into the game. ts, ts..1 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Keep in mind this skill is not that expensive, anyone can run it mag or stam, since hybrid changes.
Still kinda wierd, we went from this skill being too weak on pts to being too strong.
Hybrid changes just apply your higher resource bonus to your oposire resource skills. Thats all.
Isnt expensive for medium armor builds with lots of stamina regen. I agree.
What about 5/5 light armor builds or 3/3 light 3/3 heavy 1/1 med armor / magica builds.
Also every decent player / outside tank and heal builds/ runs vamp this season.
Gl using vigor on magic build. There are no hybrid dps builds. No matter what zos say.
You can use some utility skill from oposite resource but thats all.
Vigor is utility one too and you can allow yourself to use it for emergency heal, i agree. But you wont be able to keep it up all the time as stamina builds wiill. So you wont get benefit from it.
Go and test on PTS.
I dont know what to tell you.
I already run more medium pieces even on mag builds, beacuse light is too squishy.
Also just a quick note, nearly all class based burst heals cost magicka, and stam toons have to sustain mag in order to run those.
People will adapt.
The whole mag vs stam divide is nowhere near as stark as it used to be.
Also there are absolutely hybrid builds these days, on my templar half my damaging skills cost magicka, and most of my utility and healing skills.
We dont speak about burst heals.
We speak about extra mitigations comming from skill which is used only for heal / till now/ and which buffs stamina builds can keep up 24/7 and magica ones wont.
So yes , i dont know how to say it more clearly. If you play mag build you will understand with time, if this change go live.
For the record I dont think vigor needed the buff. Btw the minor resolve lasts 20 seconds, so it's pretty easy to keep up on any build mag or stam.2 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭Keep in mind this skill is not that expensive, anyone can run it mag or stam, since hybrid changes.
Still kinda wierd, we went from this skill being too weak on pts to being too strong.
Hybrid changes just apply your higher resource bonus to your oposire resource skills. Thats all.
Isnt expensive for medium armor builds with lots of stamina regen. I agree.
What about 5/5 light armor builds or 3/3 light 3/3 heavy 1/1 med armor / magica builds.
Also every decent player / outside tank and heal builds/ runs vamp this season.
Gl using vigor on magic build. There are no hybrid dps builds. No matter what zos say.
You can use some utility skill from oposite resource but thats all.
Vigor is utility one too and you can allow yourself to use it for emergency heal, i agree. But you wont be able to keep it up all the time as stamina builds wiill. So you wont get benefit from it.
Go and test on PTS.
I dont know what to tell you.
I already run more medium pieces even on mag builds, beacuse light is too squishy.
Also just a quick note, nearly all class based burst heals cost magicka, and stam toons have to sustain mag in order to run those.
People will adapt.
The whole mag vs stam divide is nowhere near as stark as it used to be.
Also there are absolutely hybrid builds these days, on my templar half my damaging skills cost magicka, and most of my utility and healing skills.
We dont speak about burst heals.
We speak about extra mitigations comming from skill which is used only for heal / till now/ and which buffs stamina builds can keep up 24/7 and magica ones wont.
So yes , i dont know how to say it more clearly. If you play mag build you will understand with time, if this change go live.
For the record I dont think vigor needed the buff. Btw the minor resolve lasts 20 seconds, so it's pretty easy to keep up on any build mag or stam.
The thing is, stamina builds already have vigor on their bars, magica ones dont. I wont see them sloting it just for 2k mits tbh.
Ofc some will want, but usualy your stam poool is like 14-15k stam and wasting 3k every 20 sec its a ... waste. + you need to kep it for heals too. Add cc break and few roll dodges. Ye, you can keep it. Anyway. lets stop here. ZoS stil have 1-2 weeks to make things right. Right ...0 -
Iriidius✭✭✭✭
So that it buffs every player you heal with it or only yourself? Anyway this change would only help members of organized groups with cross healing. Anybody who plays solo at least sometimes or in an unorganized group uses resolving vigor and would suffer from your change. Dont know why you have to buff cross healing groups even more, they already are the most effective playstile in Cyrodiil because they have multiple people casting skills, are organized/play as team, know each other, usually can communicate via discord and time ulti dumps, but of course thats not enaugh, you also have to make every individual player deal higher dmg and be tankier by giving them cross healing and group buffs(sets). And you also want to give minor resolve to them insteat to solo players?Iron_Blurr wrote: »Maybe the armor buff could have been given to echoing vigor not resolving vigor.
They keep buffing stamina builds? Stamina dominated PvP for a while but atm magdk, magplar and magcro dominate PvP and are stronger than their stam counterparts. Stamden and Stamnb are still stronger specs and Stamsorc replaced MagSorc, but magsorc was better for years and will be again next patch.
Edit:My Mag dk is also using resolving vigor.Edited by Iriidius on August 10, 2022 6:20AM2 -
Extinct_Solo_Player✭✭✭✭✭Keep in mind this skill is not that expensive, anyone can run it mag or stam, since hybrid changes.
Still kinda wierd, we went from this skill being too weak on pts to being too strong.
Hybrid changes just apply your higher resource bonus to your oposire resource skills. Thats all.
Isnt expensive for medium armor builds with lots of stamina regen. I agree.
What about 5/5 light armor builds or 3/3 light 3/3 heavy 1/1 med armor / magica builds.
Also every decent player / outside tank and heal builds/ runs vamp this season.
Gl using vigor on magic build. There are no hybrid dps builds. No matter what zos say.
You can use some utility skill from oposite resource but thats all.
Vigor is utility one too and you can allow yourself to use it for emergency heal, i agree. But you wont be able to keep it up all the time as stamina builds wiill. So you wont get benefit from it.
Go and test on PTS.
I dont know what to tell you.
I already run more medium pieces even on mag builds, beacuse light is too squishy.
Also just a quick note, nearly all class based burst heals cost magicka, and stam toons have to sustain mag in order to run those.
People will adapt.
The whole mag vs stam divide is nowhere near as stark as it used to be.
Also there are absolutely hybrid builds these days, on my templar half my damaging skills cost magicka, and most of my utility and healing skills.
We dont speak about burst heals.
We speak about extra mitigations comming from skill which is used only for heal / till now/ and which buffs stamina builds can keep up 24/7 and magica ones wont.
So yes , i dont know how to say it more clearly. If you play mag build you will understand with time, if this change go live.
Just sounds like that you got killed by a stamina player and think they are opKeep in mind this skill is not that expensive, anyone can run it mag or stam, since hybrid changes.
Still kinda wierd, we went from this skill being too weak on pts to being too strong.
Hybrid changes just apply your higher resource bonus to your oposire resource skills. Thats all.
Isnt expensive for medium armor builds with lots of stamina regen. I agree.
What about 5/5 light armor builds or 3/3 light 3/3 heavy 1/1 med armor / magica builds.
Also every decent player / outside tank and heal builds/ runs vamp this season.
Gl using vigor on magic build. There are no hybrid dps builds. No matter what zos say.
You can use some utility skill from oposite resource but thats all.
Vigor is utility one too and you can allow yourself to use it for emergency heal, i agree. But you wont be able to keep it up all the time as stamina builds wiill. So you wont get benefit from it.
Go and test on PTS.
I dont know what to tell you.
I already run more medium pieces even on mag builds, beacuse light is too squishy.
Also just a quick note, nearly all class based burst heals cost magicka, and stam toons have to sustain mag in order to run those.
People will adapt.
The whole mag vs stam divide is nowhere near as stark as it used to be.
Also there are absolutely hybrid builds these days, on my templar half my damaging skills cost magicka, and most of my utility and healing skills.
We dont speak about burst heals.
We speak about extra mitigations comming from skill which is used only for heal / till now/ and which buffs stamina builds can keep up 24/7 and magica ones wont.
So yes , i dont know how to say it more clearly. If you play mag build you will understand with time, if this change go live.
For the record I dont think vigor needed the buff. Btw the minor resolve lasts 20 seconds, so it's pretty easy to keep up on any build mag or stam.
The thing is, stamina builds already have vigor on their bars, magica ones dont. I wont see them sloting it just for 2k mits tbh.
Ofc some will want, but usualy your stam poool is like 14-15k stam and wasting 3k every 20 sec its a ... waste. + you need to kep it for heals too. Add cc break and few roll dodges. Ye, you can keep it. Anyway. lets stop here. ZoS stil have 1-2 weeks to make things right. Right ...
You are biased and it shows, it's extremely easy to sustain 2.8-3k stamina on utility skills every 20 secs, the best utility skills in the game are magicka based so I don't understand where the "stam is op" is coming from.Edited by Extinct_Solo_Player on August 8, 2022 7:03PM1 -
Didgerion✭✭✭✭✭
✭"Vigor
Resolving Vigor (morph): Reverted the healing reductions made to this morph. It now grants Minor Resolve, rather than Major Resolve, to prevent the skill from actively harming class identity and importance to run other sources of this buff."
You decrease the over damage, and keep adding extra mitigations for stamina classes ?
Outside pve healers, few, even zero, magica builds use Vigor.
Why you keep buffing stamina builds?
Why even change vigor ? No one requested it.
I use vigor on my magsorc. It is the only self-heal available to the class if you don't want to run a resto on your back bar or pets. I guess you will need to learn to sustain it.
It is not that bad as forcing you into a weapon you don't like or into pets.
This change alone saved the DLC for me. It is still a bad one, but at least now I have tools to go through it.
PS: this feedback is totally anecdotal, I did not test in on PTS.
Edited by Didgerion on August 8, 2022 7:04PM0 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »"Vigor
Resolving Vigor (morph): Reverted the healing reductions made to this morph. It now grants Minor Resolve, rather than Major Resolve, to prevent the skill from actively harming class identity and importance to run other sources of this buff."
You decrease the over damage, and keep adding extra mitigations for stamina classes ?
Outside pve healers, few, even zero, magica builds use Vigor.
Why you keep buffing stamina builds?
Why even change vigor ? No one requested it.
Vigor was healing for 2.5Keep in mind this skill is not that expensive, anyone can run it mag or stam, since hybrid changes.
Still kinda wierd, we went from this skill being too weak on pts to being too strong.
Hybrid changes just apply your higher resource bonus to your oposire resource skills. Thats all.
Isnt expensive for medium armor builds with lots of stamina regen. I agree.
What about 5/5 light armor builds or 3/3 light 3/3 heavy 1/1 med armor / magica builds.
Also every decent player / outside tank and heal builds/ runs vamp this season.
Gl using vigor on magic build. There are no hybrid dps builds. No matter what zos say.
You can use some utility skill from oposite resource but thats all.
Vigor is utility one too and you can allow yourself to use it for emergency heal, i agree. But you wont be able to keep it up all the time as stamina builds wiill. So you wont get benefit from it.
Go and test on PTS.
I dont know what to tell you.
I already run more medium pieces even on mag builds, beacuse light is too squishy.
Also just a quick note, nearly all class based burst heals cost magicka, and stam toons have to sustain mag in order to run those.
People will adapt.
The whole mag vs stam divide is nowhere near as stark as it used to be.
Also there are absolutely hybrid builds these days, on my templar half my damaging skills cost magicka, and most of my utility and healing skills.
We dont speak about burst heals.
We speak about extra mitigations comming from skill which is used only for heal / till now/ and which buffs stamina builds can keep up 24/7 and magica ones wont.
So yes , i dont know how to say it more clearly. If you play mag build you will understand with time, if this change go live.
Just sounds like that you got killed by a stamjnaKeep in mind this skill is not that expensive, anyone can run it mag or stam, since hybrid changes.
Still kinda wierd, we went from this skill being too weak on pts to being too strong.
Hybrid changes just apply your higher resource bonus to your oposire resource skills. Thats all.
Isnt expensive for medium armor builds with lots of stamina regen. I agree.
What about 5/5 light armor builds or 3/3 light 3/3 heavy 1/1 med armor / magica builds.
Also every decent player / outside tank and heal builds/ runs vamp this season.
Gl using vigor on magic build. There are no hybrid dps builds. No matter what zos say.
You can use some utility skill from oposite resource but thats all.
Vigor is utility one too and you can allow yourself to use it for emergency heal, i agree. But you wont be able to keep it up all the time as stamina builds wiill. So you wont get benefit from it.
Go and test on PTS.
I dont know what to tell you.
I already run more medium pieces even on mag builds, beacuse light is too squishy.
Also just a quick note, nearly all class based burst heals cost magicka, and stam toons have to sustain mag in order to run those.
People will adapt.
The whole mag vs stam divide is nowhere near as stark as it used to be.
Also there are absolutely hybrid builds these days, on my templar half my damaging skills cost magicka, and most of my utility and healing skills.
We dont speak about burst heals.
We speak about extra mitigations comming from skill which is used only for heal / till now/ and which buffs stamina builds can keep up 24/7 and magica ones wont.
So yes , i dont know how to say it more clearly. If you play mag build you will understand with time, if this change go live.
For the record I dont think vigor needed the buff. Btw the minor resolve lasts 20 seconds, so it's pretty easy to keep up on any build mag or stam.
The thing is, stamina builds already have vigor on their bars, magica ones dont. I wont see them sloting it just for 2k mits tbh.
Ofc some will want, but usualy your stam poool is like 14-15k stam and wasting 3k every 20 sec its a ... waste. + you need to kep it for heals too. Add cc break and few roll dodges. Ye, you can keep it. Anyway. lets stop here. ZoS stil have 1-2 weeks to make things right. Right ...
You are biased and it shows, first off its's extremely easy to sustain 2.8-3k stamina on utility skills every 20 secs, the best utility skills in the game are magicka based so I don't understand where the "stam is op" is coming from.
I got killed both from stam and mag builds but probably less than you.
Biased ?
Easy to sustain a stam skill and burn 3k resources every 20 sec as mag build ? Also using it 2 or 3 times per minute for heal?
Seems we play diferent games m8. I play on EU @Runkorko, where you play ? And give ID so you slot Vigor on your mag class and show me how it perfor in pvp. We can duel or run bg / cyro. Or even better. To not make it personal, why not make a video of your next BG runing Vigor as magica / any class, and show me how wrong im.
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Extinct_Solo_Player✭✭✭✭✭Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »"Vigor
Resolving Vigor (morph): Reverted the healing reductions made to this morph. It now grants Minor Resolve, rather than Major Resolve, to prevent the skill from actively harming class identity and importance to run other sources of this buff."
You decrease the over damage, and keep adding extra mitigations for stamina classes ?
Outside pve healers, few, even zero, magica builds use Vigor.
Why you keep buffing stamina builds?
Why even change vigor ? No one requested it.
Vigor was healing for 2.5Keep in mind this skill is not that expensive, anyone can run it mag or stam, since hybrid changes.
Still kinda wierd, we went from this skill being too weak on pts to being too strong.
Hybrid changes just apply your higher resource bonus to your oposire resource skills. Thats all.
Isnt expensive for medium armor builds with lots of stamina regen. I agree.
What about 5/5 light armor builds or 3/3 light 3/3 heavy 1/1 med armor / magica builds.
Also every decent player / outside tank and heal builds/ runs vamp this season.
Gl using vigor on magic build. There are no hybrid dps builds. No matter what zos say.
You can use some utility skill from oposite resource but thats all.
Vigor is utility one too and you can allow yourself to use it for emergency heal, i agree. But you wont be able to keep it up all the time as stamina builds wiill. So you wont get benefit from it.
Go and test on PTS.
I dont know what to tell you.
I already run more medium pieces even on mag builds, beacuse light is too squishy.
Also just a quick note, nearly all class based burst heals cost magicka, and stam toons have to sustain mag in order to run those.
People will adapt.
The whole mag vs stam divide is nowhere near as stark as it used to be.
Also there are absolutely hybrid builds these days, on my templar half my damaging skills cost magicka, and most of my utility and healing skills.
We dont speak about burst heals.
We speak about extra mitigations comming from skill which is used only for heal / till now/ and which buffs stamina builds can keep up 24/7 and magica ones wont.
So yes , i dont know how to say it more clearly. If you play mag build you will understand with time, if this change go live.
Just sounds like that you got killed by a stamjnaKeep in mind this skill is not that expensive, anyone can run it mag or stam, since hybrid changes.
Still kinda wierd, we went from this skill being too weak on pts to being too strong.
Hybrid changes just apply your higher resource bonus to your oposire resource skills. Thats all.
Isnt expensive for medium armor builds with lots of stamina regen. I agree.
What about 5/5 light armor builds or 3/3 light 3/3 heavy 1/1 med armor / magica builds.
Also every decent player / outside tank and heal builds/ runs vamp this season.
Gl using vigor on magic build. There are no hybrid dps builds. No matter what zos say.
You can use some utility skill from oposite resource but thats all.
Vigor is utility one too and you can allow yourself to use it for emergency heal, i agree. But you wont be able to keep it up all the time as stamina builds wiill. So you wont get benefit from it.
Go and test on PTS.
I dont know what to tell you.
I already run more medium pieces even on mag builds, beacuse light is too squishy.
Also just a quick note, nearly all class based burst heals cost magicka, and stam toons have to sustain mag in order to run those.
People will adapt.
The whole mag vs stam divide is nowhere near as stark as it used to be.
Also there are absolutely hybrid builds these days, on my templar half my damaging skills cost magicka, and most of my utility and healing skills.
We dont speak about burst heals.
We speak about extra mitigations comming from skill which is used only for heal / till now/ and which buffs stamina builds can keep up 24/7 and magica ones wont.
So yes , i dont know how to say it more clearly. If you play mag build you will understand with time, if this change go live.
For the record I dont think vigor needed the buff. Btw the minor resolve lasts 20 seconds, so it's pretty easy to keep up on any build mag or stam.
The thing is, stamina builds already have vigor on their bars, magica ones dont. I wont see them sloting it just for 2k mits tbh.
Ofc some will want, but usualy your stam poool is like 14-15k stam and wasting 3k every 20 sec its a ... waste. + you need to kep it for heals too. Add cc break and few roll dodges. Ye, you can keep it. Anyway. lets stop here. ZoS stil have 1-2 weeks to make things right. Right ...
You are biased and it shows, first off its's extremely easy to sustain 2.8-3k stamina on utility skills every 20 secs, the best utility skills in the game are magicka based so I don't understand where the "stam is op" is coming from.
I got killed both from stam and mag builds but probably less than you.
Biased ?
Easy to sustain a stam skill and burn 3k resources every 20 sec as mag build ? Also using it 2 or 3 times per minute for heal?
Seems we play diferent games m8. I play on EU @Runkorko, where you play ? And give ID so you slot Vigor on your mag class and show me how it perfor in pvp. We can duel or run bg / cyro. Or even better. To not make it personal, why not make a video of your next BG runing Vigor as magica / any class, and show me how wrong im.
Sure, I'll add you on PTS. And yes, for me i have no issue sustaining vigor on magicka at all.1 -
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✭Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »"Vigor
Resolving Vigor (morph): Reverted the healing reductions made to this morph. It now grants Minor Resolve, rather than Major Resolve, to prevent the skill from actively harming class identity and importance to run other sources of this buff."
You decrease the over damage, and keep adding extra mitigations for stamina classes ?
Outside pve healers, few, even zero, magica builds use Vigor.
Why you keep buffing stamina builds?
Why even change vigor ? No one requested it.
Vigor was healing for 2.5Keep in mind this skill is not that expensive, anyone can run it mag or stam, since hybrid changes.
Still kinda wierd, we went from this skill being too weak on pts to being too strong.
Hybrid changes just apply your higher resource bonus to your oposire resource skills. Thats all.
Isnt expensive for medium armor builds with lots of stamina regen. I agree.
What about 5/5 light armor builds or 3/3 light 3/3 heavy 1/1 med armor / magica builds.
Also every decent player / outside tank and heal builds/ runs vamp this season.
Gl using vigor on magic build. There are no hybrid dps builds. No matter what zos say.
You can use some utility skill from oposite resource but thats all.
Vigor is utility one too and you can allow yourself to use it for emergency heal, i agree. But you wont be able to keep it up all the time as stamina builds wiill. So you wont get benefit from it.
Go and test on PTS.
I dont know what to tell you.
I already run more medium pieces even on mag builds, beacuse light is too squishy.
Also just a quick note, nearly all class based burst heals cost magicka, and stam toons have to sustain mag in order to run those.
People will adapt.
The whole mag vs stam divide is nowhere near as stark as it used to be.
Also there are absolutely hybrid builds these days, on my templar half my damaging skills cost magicka, and most of my utility and healing skills.
We dont speak about burst heals.
We speak about extra mitigations comming from skill which is used only for heal / till now/ and which buffs stamina builds can keep up 24/7 and magica ones wont.
So yes , i dont know how to say it more clearly. If you play mag build you will understand with time, if this change go live.
Just sounds like that you got killed by a stamjnaKeep in mind this skill is not that expensive, anyone can run it mag or stam, since hybrid changes.
Still kinda wierd, we went from this skill being too weak on pts to being too strong.
Hybrid changes just apply your higher resource bonus to your oposire resource skills. Thats all.
Isnt expensive for medium armor builds with lots of stamina regen. I agree.
What about 5/5 light armor builds or 3/3 light 3/3 heavy 1/1 med armor / magica builds.
Also every decent player / outside tank and heal builds/ runs vamp this season.
Gl using vigor on magic build. There are no hybrid dps builds. No matter what zos say.
You can use some utility skill from oposite resource but thats all.
Vigor is utility one too and you can allow yourself to use it for emergency heal, i agree. But you wont be able to keep it up all the time as stamina builds wiill. So you wont get benefit from it.
Go and test on PTS.
I dont know what to tell you.
I already run more medium pieces even on mag builds, beacuse light is too squishy.
Also just a quick note, nearly all class based burst heals cost magicka, and stam toons have to sustain mag in order to run those.
People will adapt.
The whole mag vs stam divide is nowhere near as stark as it used to be.
Also there are absolutely hybrid builds these days, on my templar half my damaging skills cost magicka, and most of my utility and healing skills.
We dont speak about burst heals.
We speak about extra mitigations comming from skill which is used only for heal / till now/ and which buffs stamina builds can keep up 24/7 and magica ones wont.
So yes , i dont know how to say it more clearly. If you play mag build you will understand with time, if this change go live.
For the record I dont think vigor needed the buff. Btw the minor resolve lasts 20 seconds, so it's pretty easy to keep up on any build mag or stam.
The thing is, stamina builds already have vigor on their bars, magica ones dont. I wont see them sloting it just for 2k mits tbh.
Ofc some will want, but usualy your stam poool is like 14-15k stam and wasting 3k every 20 sec its a ... waste. + you need to kep it for heals too. Add cc break and few roll dodges. Ye, you can keep it. Anyway. lets stop here. ZoS stil have 1-2 weeks to make things right. Right ...
You are biased and it shows, first off its's extremely easy to sustain 2.8-3k stamina on utility skills every 20 secs, the best utility skills in the game are magicka based so I don't understand where the "stam is op" is coming from.
I got killed both from stam and mag builds but probably less than you.
Biased ?
Easy to sustain a stam skill and burn 3k resources every 20 sec as mag build ? Also using it 2 or 3 times per minute for heal?
Seems we play diferent games m8. I play on EU @Runkorko, where you play ? And give ID so you slot Vigor on your mag class and show me how it perfor in pvp. We can duel or run bg / cyro. Or even better. To not make it personal, why not make a video of your next BG runing Vigor as magica / any class, and show me how wrong im.
Sure, I'll add you on PTS. And yes, for me i have no issue sustaining vigor on magicka at all.
No not on PTS. I wont play this abomination. My dk whip get rekt 30% same as dots, also my sPlar jabs hit for 1k on player.
Thats why i asked do you play on EU.
Anyway, is not who is better, i never say im better than you, or you are worse than me. its about keeping Vigor 100% up on mag build in pvp, withour hurting your build / skils on bar wise/ or your sustain. You can do this and post a video. If you do, then im believer.0 -
velt88_ESO✭✭✭"Vigor
Resolving Vigor (morph): Reverted the healing reductions made to this morph. It now grants Minor Resolve, rather than Major Resolve, to prevent the skill from actively harming class identity and importance to run other sources of this buff."
You decrease the over damage, and keep adding extra mitigations for stamina classes ?
Outside pve healers, few, even zero, magica builds use Vigor.
Why you keep buffing stamina builds?
Why even change vigor ? No one requested it.
Don't wanna hurt class identity
*Nerfs Shadowy Cloak into the ground so everyone just has to use Vigor anywys*2 -
HuanShai✭✭I AGREE with the change, actually magicka classes in groups are better than Stamina. and this is obvious in endgame0
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Extinct_Solo_Player✭✭✭✭✭Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »"Vigor
Resolving Vigor (morph): Reverted the healing reductions made to this morph. It now grants Minor Resolve, rather than Major Resolve, to prevent the skill from actively harming class identity and importance to run other sources of this buff."
You decrease the over damage, and keep adding extra mitigations for stamina classes ?
Outside pve healers, few, even zero, magica builds use Vigor.
Why you keep buffing stamina builds?
Why even change vigor ? No one requested it.
Vigor was healing for 2.5Keep in mind this skill is not that expensive, anyone can run it mag or stam, since hybrid changes.
Still kinda wierd, we went from this skill being too weak on pts to being too strong.
Hybrid changes just apply your higher resource bonus to your oposire resource skills. Thats all.
Isnt expensive for medium armor builds with lots of stamina regen. I agree.
What about 5/5 light armor builds or 3/3 light 3/3 heavy 1/1 med armor / magica builds.
Also every decent player / outside tank and heal builds/ runs vamp this season.
Gl using vigor on magic build. There are no hybrid dps builds. No matter what zos say.
You can use some utility skill from oposite resource but thats all.
Vigor is utility one too and you can allow yourself to use it for emergency heal, i agree. But you wont be able to keep it up all the time as stamina builds wiill. So you wont get benefit from it.
Go and test on PTS.
I dont know what to tell you.
I already run more medium pieces even on mag builds, beacuse light is too squishy.
Also just a quick note, nearly all class based burst heals cost magicka, and stam toons have to sustain mag in order to run those.
People will adapt.
The whole mag vs stam divide is nowhere near as stark as it used to be.
Also there are absolutely hybrid builds these days, on my templar half my damaging skills cost magicka, and most of my utility and healing skills.
We dont speak about burst heals.
We speak about extra mitigations comming from skill which is used only for heal / till now/ and which buffs stamina builds can keep up 24/7 and magica ones wont.
So yes , i dont know how to say it more clearly. If you play mag build you will understand with time, if this change go live.
Just sounds like that you got killed by a stamjnaKeep in mind this skill is not that expensive, anyone can run it mag or stam, since hybrid changes.
Still kinda wierd, we went from this skill being too weak on pts to being too strong.
Hybrid changes just apply your higher resource bonus to your oposire resource skills. Thats all.
Isnt expensive for medium armor builds with lots of stamina regen. I agree.
What about 5/5 light armor builds or 3/3 light 3/3 heavy 1/1 med armor / magica builds.
Also every decent player / outside tank and heal builds/ runs vamp this season.
Gl using vigor on magic build. There are no hybrid dps builds. No matter what zos say.
You can use some utility skill from oposite resource but thats all.
Vigor is utility one too and you can allow yourself to use it for emergency heal, i agree. But you wont be able to keep it up all the time as stamina builds wiill. So you wont get benefit from it.
Go and test on PTS.
I dont know what to tell you.
I already run more medium pieces even on mag builds, beacuse light is too squishy.
Also just a quick note, nearly all class based burst heals cost magicka, and stam toons have to sustain mag in order to run those.
People will adapt.
The whole mag vs stam divide is nowhere near as stark as it used to be.
Also there are absolutely hybrid builds these days, on my templar half my damaging skills cost magicka, and most of my utility and healing skills.
We dont speak about burst heals.
We speak about extra mitigations comming from skill which is used only for heal / till now/ and which buffs stamina builds can keep up 24/7 and magica ones wont.
So yes , i dont know how to say it more clearly. If you play mag build you will understand with time, if this change go live.
For the record I dont think vigor needed the buff. Btw the minor resolve lasts 20 seconds, so it's pretty easy to keep up on any build mag or stam.
The thing is, stamina builds already have vigor on their bars, magica ones dont. I wont see them sloting it just for 2k mits tbh.
Ofc some will want, but usualy your stam poool is like 14-15k stam and wasting 3k every 20 sec its a ... waste. + you need to kep it for heals too. Add cc break and few roll dodges. Ye, you can keep it. Anyway. lets stop here. ZoS stil have 1-2 weeks to make things right. Right ...
You are biased and it shows, first off its's extremely easy to sustain 2.8-3k stamina on utility skills every 20 secs, the best utility skills in the game are magicka based so I don't understand where the "stam is op" is coming from.
I got killed both from stam and mag builds but probably less than you.
Biased ?
Easy to sustain a stam skill and burn 3k resources every 20 sec as mag build ? Also using it 2 or 3 times per minute for heal?
Seems we play diferent games m8. I play on EU @Runkorko, where you play ? And give ID so you slot Vigor on your mag class and show me how it perfor in pvp. We can duel or run bg / cyro. Or even better. To not make it personal, why not make a video of your next BG runing Vigor as magica / any class, and show me how wrong im.
Sure, I'll add you on PTS. And yes, for me i have no issue sustaining vigor on magicka at all.
No not on PTS. I wont play this abomination. My dk whip get rekt 30% same as dots, also my sPlar jabs hit for 1k on player.
Thats why i asked do you play on EU.
Anyway, is not who is better, i never say im better than you, or you are worse than me. its about keeping Vigor 100% up on mag build in pvp, withour hurting your build / skils on bar wise/ or your sustain. You can do this and post a video. If you do, then im believer.
If you won't play it then that's on you, I'm more than happy to show you on PTS. NA is my primary server not EU.1