Whitestrake's Mayhem PvE alternative?

Czeri · July 2022

It's completely fine to sit out the Mayhem events. There are enough spare tickets acrosss the other events to get the main ticket rewards without needing to participate. I never played it and have all the mounts/skins/houses/pets that were awarded so far.

Having said that, I would prefer if Mayhem was happening at the same time as the PvE events. That way every player could be getting tickets in their preferred playstyle and there wouldn't be this awkward feeling that PvErs are getting compelled to go fight other players twice a year.

Lumsdenml · July 2022

Czeri wrote: »

It's completely fine to sit out the Mayhem events. There are enough spare tickets acrosss the other events to get the main ticket rewards without needing to participate. I never played it and have all the mounts/skins/houses/pets that were awarded so far.

Having said that, I would prefer if Mayhem was happening at the same time as the PvE events. That way every player could be getting tickets in their preferred playstyle and there wouldn't be this awkward feeling that PvErs are getting compelled to go fight other players twice a year.

As long as all events have a pvp option.

morrowjen · July 2022

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

I really dont understand the frustration with this event. I almost never encounter PvP unless Im seeking it out during this event. If I want to just jump in real quick and grab the tickets I can. The only Alliance that might have a bit of trouble or requires some level of risk in my opinion is AD players. As they dont exactly have a town thats uncapturable to go to for repeatable PvE content that Im aware of (granted I dont really like playing on AD side). But if youre EP or DC you have a town nearby a home keep that you can easily access and do quick quests for. Granted DC side usually has you hiking a good bit across the map in DC territory to finish. But I jump in, run to Cheydinhal and Im usually in and out in less than 10 minutes. Rarely do I see players from other factions and when I do they are often just there for the quests themselves. I do this often on the more populated servers too.

Im not saying youll never see PvP doing this. But if I can do this every six months and have a pretty quiet experience the majority of the time there. Then I know its repeatable for others.

Yep and lemme tell you AD is full of questers on event days with the main AD PVPers parked in the main campaign. Many times during events I've seen AD let Cyro burn as long as Vlastrus is available.

alternatelder · July 2022

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Bat wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Wow, 2 pvp events a year. You know, pvp players are forces to do pve, but not vice versa?

No sympathies, not what so ever

You understand there is no comparison between PVP and PVE events. People aren't farmed by other people while completing a delve daily for tickets. It's disingenuous to suggest there's anything comparable between these two event types or that PVPers are in any way disenfranchised during PVE type events like PVEers are during PVP type events. So maybe that should be acknowledged.

And if course, there aren't toxic PVEers who vote to kick PVPers in dungeons because they are too slow or can't sustain on a boss or don't know the mechanics of the dungeon. If you ask PVPers to adjust their builds for dungeon events and learn mechanics, then maybe PVEers could do the same for the 2 PVP events.

Not even what this is about. Getting kicked from a dungeon happens to both sides and rarely, but there's no event that requires a dungeon run to get tickets even. In mym, you absolutely have to pvp, or avoid being killed by enemy players to get tickets. If you're a new or inexperienced pvper, adjusting your build for pvp won't do anything against veterans that will melt you in a second.

Magenpie · July 2022

I don't understand why people are so angry, it's so sad

. We all love the game, and MMOs in general are great because they offer different kinds of content for different kinds of players. It's what makes them living breathing worlds.

Surely we can be supportive about bits of the game we don't play? It's good for the game - a broader biodiversity of gameplay means more types of players interested in playing, which in turn means security and longevity for the game.

There are ways of getting your tickets in the Whitestrake event without taking part in any PvP. There are loads of guides explaning how you do it. It just takes a bit of planning. I know it works because I've done it this way for many Mayhem/Whitestrake events in the past, and did the same this year, although I've now had a jaunt around Cyrodiil and had a good time.

But come on, there's no need to be furious about bits of the game you don't play, there's plenty to do, and getting angry with other players because they like those bits is terrible and a waste of energy. You'll get your tickets during the next event.

Why can't we all just get along, man? *makes hippy peace sign*

Auldwulfe · July 2022

As a friend, who quit this game, put it - this event is a sacred cow for PvP'ers.... It's the one time a year they can practice their homicidal tendencies on people other than the same 10 that are the rest of their group.....
They NEED the victims to come in, so they can feel fulfilled...... (whether he meant it to be snarky, I am repeating it in snark.... I don't have a problem with PvP'ers.... although I do warn them fairly, I always dump every Tel'var stone and alliance point as fast as possible .... so not a lot of profit in going for me, anyways.)

Also, Mind you, I am pretty sure it's 11, not 10 total PvP'ers (and yes, I am just giving them a little flak...... it's just a thing, to be honest)

Let it be what it is, if you don't like it, then just don't participate .... the rewards are kind of meh, anyways......
If the event doesn't get the response expected, I suspect it will change or go away

As for people that want to get the tickets, but not really PvP -- there are a LOT of ways to pull it off
Easiest is to have a character under level 50 - take the NO CP under 50 option, and run Scouting Missions - you will get your tickets, and the scroll means you will also be getting the rewards for the worthy fast. Plus, your PvP rank is based on how many alliance points you get, and this allows you to get double ..... meaning you unlock some of those skills, like Caltrop much easier.

In the end, you can gain from this without the PvP issue.

I did it last night, never got attacked once, and finished 13 scouting missions, and 2 quests --- even teamed up with another faction guy for one of those quests ....... never got killed, except when I suicide charged the NPC groups after finishing a scout, to save time on teleporting back to my turn in point. Then, bank, dump all Tel'var stones and alliance points, grab the next mission and go.
I got 15 of the boxes, my tickets, and 6 rewards for the worthy crates ... not bad for 3 and a half hours.

Auldwulfe

neferpitou73 · July 2022

Honestly most of the people who've attacked me in Cyrodiil during MYM are PvErs...who promptly get deleted when I defend myself, and probably wouldn't have attacked them otherwise.

xDeusEJRx · July 2022

neferpitou73 wrote: »

Honestly most of the people who've attacked me in Cyrodiil during MYM are PvErs...who promptly get deleted when I defend myself, and probably wouldn't have attacked them otherwise.

Same with me honestly. I play pvp because I want challenging fights like outnumbered situations, I don't care too much about 1v1's and a lot of times they just start lightning heavy attack chaining and wall of element spam on me so I defend myself.

I don't care to pick on players who aren't gonna fight me back because I want to enjoy a good fight not a 1 sided fight, but when PVE'ers come at me I will fight back.

Auldwulfe · July 2022

renne wrote: »

alternatelder wrote: »

etchedpixels wrote: »

PvP folks have to do far more PvE events than vice versa.

Just be thankful there isn't a fishing event 8)

Once again, you are not facing more challenges in pve events than you do in pvp, unlike pveers who have to face veteran players potentially ruining their chances of getting tickets.

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Depends

When I started in January, my level 11 Sorcerer ventured out to Cyrodiil -- and not knowing better, I went in the general location. And there was a guy, I remember distinctly that he was CP 1243, as at first, I thought it was his level.
He was picking off lower level people right outside the castle, and then teabagging them......
Now, honestly, I chalk it up to his issue with a short tail, as our Khajiit friends would say..... but it would be beyond annoying for people not used to games that included PvP --- seriously, paying a subscription to look at recap screens is not something a lot of people would be into.

Now, I have played Mortal Online, which is PvP right from the get go, no factions, and just everyone in a mix .... and the new player experience is terrible, and that is a major reason people quit. They get tired of creating a character, spawning in the start position, and faceplanting because some other player was waiting for new meat.

I got tired, there, as it was low population, and a majority were there just for the opportunity to murder fellow players .....even if they got nothing for it.

And that's the thing ... most PvP'ers are looking for a challenge beyond the pre-programmed creatures in the game ... some are lamenting their insecurities over their "short tails", and taking it out on, what is essentially, defenseless opposition.
So, why don't a few of your better players occasionally watch out for your short tailed friends, and deal with them, so that PvE people can get enough confidence to come out and join the community......

Auldwulfe

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renne · July 2022

Auldwulfe wrote: »

renne wrote: »

alternatelder wrote: »

etchedpixels wrote: »

PvP folks have to do far more PvE events than vice versa.

Just be thankful there isn't a fishing event 8)

Once again, you are not facing more challenges in pve events than you do in pvp, unlike pveers who have to face veteran players potentially ruining their chances of getting tickets.

[snip]

Depends

When I started in January, my level 11 Sorcerer ventured out to Cyrodiil -- and not knowing better, I went in the general location. And there was a guy, I remember distinctly that he was CP 1243, as at first, I thought it was his level.
He was picking off lower level people right outside the castle, and then teabagging them......
Now, honestly, I chalk it up to his issue with a short tail, as our Khajiit friends would say..... but it would be beyond annoying for people not used to games that included PvP --- seriously, paying a subscription to look at recap screens is not something a lot of people would be into.

Now, I have played Mortal Online, which is PvP right from the get go, no factions, and just everyone in a mix .... and the new player experience is terrible, and that is a major reason people quit. They get tired of creating a character, spawning in the start position, and faceplanting because some other player was waiting for new meat.

I got tired, there, as it was low population, and a majority were there just for the opportunity to murder fellow players .....even if they got nothing for it.

And that's the thing ... most PvP'ers are looking for a challenge beyond the pre-programmed creatures in the game ... some are lamenting their insecurities over their "short tails", and taking it out on, what is essentially, defenseless opposition.
So, why don't a few of your better players occasionally watch out for your short tailed friends, and deal with them, so that PvE people can get enough confidence to come out and join the community......

Auldwulfe

You went to a keep and got PvP'd. I'm not sure what else you were expecting. :shrug:

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Auldwulfe · July 2022

renne wrote: »

Auldwulfe wrote: »

renne wrote: »

alternatelder wrote: »

etchedpixels wrote: »

PvP folks have to do far more PvE events than vice versa.

Just be thankful there isn't a fishing event 8)

Once again, you are not facing more challenges in pve events than you do in pvp, unlike pveers who have to face veteran players potentially ruining their chances of getting tickets.

[snip]

Depends

When I started in January, my level 11 Sorcerer ventured out to Cyrodiil -- and not knowing better, I went in the general location. And there was a guy, I remember distinctly that he was CP 1243, as at first, I thought it was his level.
He was picking off lower level people right outside the castle, and then teabagging them......
Now, honestly, I chalk it up to his issue with a short tail, as our Khajiit friends would say..... but it would be beyond annoying for people not used to games that included PvP --- seriously, paying a subscription to look at recap screens is not something a lot of people would be into.

Now, I have played Mortal Online, which is PvP right from the get go, no factions, and just everyone in a mix .... and the new player experience is terrible, and that is a major reason people quit. They get tired of creating a character, spawning in the start position, and faceplanting because some other player was waiting for new meat.

I got tired, there, as it was low population, and a majority were there just for the opportunity to murder fellow players .....even if they got nothing for it.

And that's the thing ... most PvP'ers are looking for a challenge beyond the pre-programmed creatures in the game ... some are lamenting their insecurities over their "short tails", and taking it out on, what is essentially, defenseless opposition.
So, why don't a few of your better players occasionally watch out for your short tailed friends, and deal with them, so that PvE people can get enough confidence to come out and join the community......

Auldwulfe

You went to a keep and got PvP'd. I'm not sure what else you were expecting. :shrug:

No, he was sitting in stealth, right outside the very first area that players spawn in. And it's pretty evident you didn't read the whole post --- trust me, I have played in games that make the PvP here look like a pillow fight with very soft, very small, foam pillows.

You had someone ganking, and only targeting low level people that he /she (as I can't see who was behind the keyboard) could guarantee a kill on.
And yeah, it happens..... but it is that sort of player that is the reason people dislike PvP -- he wasn't looking for a challenge, he was compensating for his own insecurity....... but enough of those ruins things for those that want more, or better, PvP.

Now, we could work to improve it by calling out the jerks that turn people away, or we can settle for the same thing we have now.... very few people there, no reason for the Dev's to work on it, and an event that over half the players ignore, or sit out.... which incentivizes the Dev's to do something else that they can more easily monetize.

PvP, as it is now, is hurting, and slowly dying... the pool of people joining is shrinking, and without new people, it will eventually become a PvE area, as that can be marketed as a new release.... and used to bring people in.

Auldwulfe

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renne · July 2022

Auldwulfe wrote: »

I have played in games that make the PvP here look like a pillow fight with very soft, very small, foam pillows.

Then what are you complaining about?

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ellmarie · July 2022

I was very happy tonight while going into IC and Cyrodiil and no one attacked me while doing my surveys and killing bosses. Doing the event can be done. Someday would like to create pvp toon to get my IC gold leads.

Alinhbo_Tyaka · July 2022

Auldwulfe wrote: »

renne wrote: »

alternatelder wrote: »

etchedpixels wrote: »

PvP folks have to do far more PvE events than vice versa.

Just be thankful there isn't a fishing event 8)

Once again, you are not facing more challenges in pve events than you do in pvp, unlike pveers who have to face veteran players potentially ruining their chances of getting tickets.

[snip]

Depends

When I started in January, my level 11 Sorcerer ventured out to Cyrodiil -- and not knowing better, I went in the general location. And there was a guy, I remember distinctly that he was CP 1243, as at first, I thought it was his level.
He was picking off lower level people right outside the castle, and then teabagging them......
Now, honestly, I chalk it up to his issue with a short tail, as our Khajiit friends would say..... but it would be beyond annoying for people not used to games that included PvP --- seriously, paying a subscription to look at recap screens is not something a lot of people would be into.

Now, I have played Mortal Online, which is PvP right from the get go, no factions, and just everyone in a mix .... and the new player experience is terrible, and that is a major reason people quit. They get tired of creating a character, spawning in the start position, and faceplanting because some other player was waiting for new meat.

I got tired, there, as it was low population, and a majority were there just for the opportunity to murder fellow players .....even if they got nothing for it.

And that's the thing ... most PvP'ers are looking for a challenge beyond the pre-programmed creatures in the game ... some are lamenting their insecurities over their "short tails", and taking it out on, what is essentially, defenseless opposition.
So, why don't a few of your better players occasionally watch out for your short tailed friends, and deal with them, so that PvE people can get enough confidence to come out and join the community......

Auldwulfe

When I have gone into Cyrodill during past MYM events if players call out gankers in chat real PvP types will usually show up to take care of them. I've also seen cases in Bruma where there were enough PvE players to handle the ganker as long as it was announced in chat so folks knew about it. Either way after the ganker is sent packing they usually don't come back and instead go looking for easier targets elsewhere.

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munster1404 · July 2022

Do the Cyrodiil and IC quests during periods of low server population a couple of weeks before the event starts. I already have the completed quests stashed away on all of my 10 alts at the start of the year, enough to last for a few PvP events. And if you really want to have an easy time, choose a character whose faction has majority control of the keeps in Cyrodiil and IC zones. That would make travelling less tedious.

When the event starts, enter the campaigns once a day to hand in the quest then log out. Leave the fun for the serious PvP players. Btw, I'm strictly anti and despise PvP, yet I have no issue letting PvPers have their space. It boils down to time management and some strategic farming as a PvEr.

munster1404 · July 2022

Czeri wrote: »

It's completely fine to sit out the Mayhem events. There are enough spare tickets acrosss the other events to get the main ticket rewards without needing to participate. I never played it and have all the mounts/skins/houses/pets that were awarded so far.

Having said that, I would prefer if Mayhem was happening at the same time as the PvE events. That way every player could be getting tickets in their preferred playstyle and there wouldn't be this awkward feeling that PvErs are getting compelled to go fight other players twice a year.

I don't think that ZoS servers are that capable though for multiple events running concurrently.

renne · July 2022

Czeri wrote: »

Having said that, I would prefer if Mayhem was happening at the same time as the PvE events. That way every player could be getting tickets in their preferred playstyle and there wouldn't be this awkward feeling that PvErs are getting compelled to go fight other players twice a year.

Why can't people just let PvPers have this event without always wanting ways of getting tickets to specifically cater to PvErs too (tip: it already does)?

PvErs and their "awkward feelings" sure don't care about how PvPers have to do every single one of the PvE events and PvPers don't complain about it every. single. time. the way PvErs do (except to satirise the complaints about MYM). If they'd ever read even just one thing anyone has said about MYM in the lifetime of this forum PvEr's would already know they're never ever "getting compelled to go fight over players twice a year".

Living_Tribunal · July 2022

Pve whitestrakes event is called....every...other event....

MorninStar · July 2022

PVEr here and every time we have this event one of these threads pop up. This event is done only 2-3 times a year. It's not hard and they are not forcing anyone to do it. Go do the Arena district daily, get your ticket and be done with it. Be thankful that this is not an open world pvp game. I honestly hate pvp but, when this event comes around I jump in and get what I need done. Yes I die ALOT but, I also have a lot of fun during it. Pvers just do it or sit it out.

starlizard70ub17_ESO · July 2022

Punches_Below_Belt wrote: »

My bigger concern is why some weird zealot with a wolf on her head is welcomed into the alliance home bases twice a year. Kind of a sloppy narrative if you ask me.

This one is a cat, riding a dinosaur being followed by a compact sized terror bird.

And it's the Wolf Lady with the bad narrative.

Fingolfinn01 · July 2022

MorninStar wrote: »

PVEr here and every time we have this event one of these threads pop up. This event is done only 2-3 times a year. It's not hard and they are not forcing anyone to do it. Go do the Arena district daily, get your ticket and be done with it. Be thankful that this is not an open world pvp game. I honestly hate pvp but, when this event comes around I jump in and get what I need done. Yes I die ALOT but, I also have a lot of fun during it. Pvers just do it or sit it out.

agreed as a pver quests are easily doable even in peak hours.

Use invisibility potions if ya don't want to worry about being ganked.

Also Cyrodiil and imperial city are pvx zones. Pve dps is welcome.

Wolfkeks · July 2022

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

Punches_Below_Belt wrote: »

My bigger concern is why some weird zealot with a wolf on her head is welcomed into the alliance home bases twice a year. Kind of a sloppy narrative if you ask me.

This one is a cat, riding a dinosaur being followed by a compact sized terror bird.

And it's the Wolf Lady with the bad narrative.

This is one awesome character design! Kudos 🎉

starlizard70ub17_ESO · July 2022

Fingolfinn01 wrote: »

MorninStar wrote: »

PVEr here and every time we have this event one of these threads pop up. This event is done only 2-3 times a year. It's not hard and they are not forcing anyone to do it. Go do the Arena district daily, get your ticket and be done with it. Be thankful that this is not an open world pvp game. I honestly hate pvp but, when this event comes around I jump in and get what I need done. Yes I die ALOT but, I also have a lot of fun during it. Pvers just do it or sit it out.

agreed as a pver quests are easily doable even in peak hours.

Use invisibility potions if ya don't want to worry about being ganked.

Also Cyrodiil and imperial city are pvx zones. Pve dps is welcome.

With the added campaigns, you can usually find one owned by your faction. Greyhost is NOT the one you're looking for. Just pop in, head to a town, do the quest then leave. Your total time in PvP land could be less than 15 mins if you hit the right town quest.

Ye_Olde_Crowe · August 2022

Just do the scouting quests in Cyro - you won‘t have to meet another soul to do those if you are so inclined. Likewise, as others have pointed out, do all the IC quests in advance and turn them in one by one. The Temple district and Elven Quarters district quests are quickly done. And the one with the skeletons is easy, too.
Wait. They are all pretty easy.