biovitalb16_ESO wrote: »

Why would they add new PvP events? This is a PvE game, plain and simple,. it's pretty obvious that PvP was an after thought in this game.

It's wild honestly because this game was fundamentally designed around PVP as its end game. It's first expnasion was a PVP one and it performed well even. They simply chose to pivot away from traditional MMO audiences to cater to Elder Scrolls fans, and it was a pivot that certainly paid off. It feels almost spiteful how unsupported the PVP community is while the PVE community regularly burns the whole forums to the ground over a boss taking more than 2 minutes to kill.

personally if i wanted to do it with the least amount of work possible

do a town daily in cyrodiil - just find a campaign your faction controls a town and has a transpit point to, most of those quests take 5 min or less and your done

IC daily - i prefer the arena district because half the time you just have to kill mobs to the free the prisoners, if you are averse to pvp, dont dropdown from the tower, if you want to do it faster dropdown and free more, you likely wont get much tel var by doing this anyway, so your not losing much (and you get 200 tel var for free turning in the quest anyway)

can usually knock out both in 15-30 min depending on how easy it is to find a cyro campaign without a long queue and one where my faction is in control of a town (i will admit this might be slightly easier for AD because they have 2 nearby towns where EP/DC only really have 1 unless they take the ones near AD territory)

biovitalb16_ESO wrote: »

Xandreia_ wrote: »

think of all the little events they do, all targeted to pve, just let the pvpers have a little fun lol

the entitlement from the pve side really shines through during mym

Of course it does, cause we are the crowd they cater to, we bring the money in. Pvpers

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

It's always interesting how many threads there are to complain about Whitestrake's mayhem when there's only 2 PVP focused events and the rest are PVE and they are adding more new PVE events but no pvp events

I mean Zeal of zenithar was new, Daedric war celebration and there's gonna be a Heros of high isle event.

Most of the games events are PVE and they continually add more, meanwhile PVP never gets anything remotely new, let alone a new event and the few times we do get an event it's always a problem.

Why would they add new PvP events? This is a PvE game, plain and simple,. it's pretty obvious that PvP was an after thought in this game.

No...PVP was not an afterthought. It was the original end game. As in, you hit level 50, went to Cyrodiil and spent that character's days playing Dark Age of Camelot style Realm v Realm PVP in a PvPvE zone.

(Now, that changed pretty much as soon as ESO got real players and the Devs recognized that the average TES fan did not have a lot of overlap with the average DAoC fan. That being said, Cyrodiil used to genuinely be able to hold battles with hundred of players on screen just like they claim in the old promotional materials.)

Imperial City likewise was the first DLC and designed from the ground up to mix PVP and PVE in the style of Darkness Falls.

(And for a while it worked. IC was really popular with PVPers because it was fast paced, close quarters combat that you couldn't necessarily get in Cyrodiil. But the introduction of the District flags kind of killed that and Battlegrounds filled the niche.)

When you look at the sorry state of PVP now, you need to realize how that happened.

ZOS broke Cyrodiil's performance years ago. It probably started as an anti-cheat fix, but it's never recovered and has in fact gotten steadily worse. The only substantive improvement was the recent PC/NA hardware upgrades (Make of that what you will - ZOS didn't expect it to improve performance. )

Players who loved Cyrodiil have abandoned it en masse because it was fundamentally broken. Imagine your favorite trial boss fight where half your team gets disconnected. Or you cannot bar swap or cast skills. Or you have to mash your buttons to cast skills. Where you can feel the lag like a wall as you enter the radius of a heavy fight. And not just for one night, but every single night you play for months without end. And you watch ZOS try throwing the kitchen sink at fixing it, and nothing works. For years, this trial fight you love is broken apparently beyond repair. And in the case of Cyrodiil, it's the only large scale PVP gameplay available in ESO. It's not like you can just do a different trial and scratch that itch.

So of course players who loved ESO's PVP left in droves, with knock-on effects for Battlegrounds and Imperial City. That is why you can look at the sad state of PVP now and say that ESO's original endgame was "an afterthought."

It never was. But you'd be forgiven for thinking so looking at it now.

Alchemical wrote: »

biovitalb16_ESO wrote: »

Why would they add new PvP events? This is a PvE game, plain and simple,. it's pretty obvious that PvP was an after thought in this game.

It's wild honestly because this game was fundamentally designed around PVP as its end game. It's first expnasion was a PVP one and it performed well even. They simply chose to pivot away from traditional MMO audiences to cater to Elder Scrolls fans, and it was a pivot that certainly paid off. It feels almost spiteful how unsupported the PVP community is while the PVE community regularly burns the whole forums to the ground over a boss taking more than 2 minutes to kill.

"But whatabout (insert various PVE item / skill / set) that was nerfed 'cause all the PVP crying????" /sarcasm

Seriously though, while ESO did have open world never-ending PVP battle as one of its initial cores - the game as it existed at launch failed so much it went B2P, becoming just another MMO supported by loot boxes instead of subscriptions.

Also, IC's (outside the dungeons) best days were when sewer XP grinding was a thing, otherwise, it's always had low population, mostly gankers, with PVE players complaining about the presence of story in a PVP zone.

I do the pve quests in cyro during this event since most everyne else is hacking each other apart, but yes this is the only event that is pvp focus. hopefully card games is next.

Edit: Also easy ones in imperial city, run a stage 4 vamp or shadow dancer during this event and never will cross another player who will see you, its what I do

biovitalb16_ESO wrote: »

Xandreia_ wrote: »

think of all the little events they do, all targeted to pve, just let the pvpers have a little fun lol

the entitlement from the pve side really shines through during mym

Of course it does, cause we are the crowd they cater to, we bring the money in. Pvpers

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

It's always interesting how many threads there are to complain about Whitestrake's mayhem when there's only 2 PVP focused events and the rest are PVE and they are adding more new PVE events but no pvp events

I mean Zeal of zenithar was new, Daedric war celebration and there's gonna be a Heros of high isle event.

Most of the games events are PVE and they continually add more, meanwhile PVP never gets anything remotely new, let alone a new event and the few times we do get an event it's always a problem.

Why would they add new PvP events? This is a PvE game, plain and simple,. it's pretty obvious that PvP was an after thought in this game.

It's not a PvE game. PvP was literally the original endgame before they added trials (and expanded housing haha).

PvP exists in the game and has since the start.

It's not a "PvE game, plain and simple".