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Let's see video of combat devs clearing veteran content on PTS

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Basically, this...
Pr0Skygon wrote: »
I think we'd need a stream like back in the day, where Rich actually clear vMA on stream just to prove that it is still do-able with the new combat changes back then. I honestly wanna see the devs clear vSS HM.
  • Tannus15
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    vMA is fine, it just takes longer
  • Matthew_Galvanus
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    Tannus15 wrote: »
    vMA is fine, it just takes longer

    that's not what he's asking. he is asking to see a video of them clearing veteran sunspire on hardmode on the pts.
  • NerfSeige
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    Maybe DSRhm too
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    NerfAS and Shill ruins everything

    Skinny-meta-fake, graded D, and can’t explain the law of diminishing marginal returns.

    I won’t post that Wes, I’ll get [snipped] for the last time

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  • ToRelax
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    I'd rather they spend their work time polishing the update than trying to prove their gaming skills to forum users.
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  • The_Lex
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    ToRelax wrote: »
    I'd rather they spend their work time polishing the update than trying to prove their gaming skills to forum users.

    Missed the point
  • Matthew_Galvanus
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    ToRelax wrote: »
    I'd rather they spend their work time polishing the update than trying to prove their gaming skills to forum users.

    the whole point is to show people that it's still possible to clear it despite the update reducing overall damage for all classes.
  • shaxigamingeb17_ESO
    It would be interesting to see some Lokkestiiz HM tomb healing or getting rid of atros before flight phase
  • Sandman929
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    If the devs understood their game well enough to consistently clear the hard content that their players do, we wouldn't be in the situation where we ask them to.
  • EF321
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    I don't like this patch either, but devs are not supposed to be good at the game.
  • Four_Fingers
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    What? Devs are usually avid gamers who should be good at their own game.
  • Jaimeh
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    I think that would be the fastest shortcut to getting our concerns through than any number of detailed feedback here on the forums.
    Edited by Jaimeh on July 27, 2022 5:19PM
  • jecks33
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    In a recent interview the Lead Encounter Designer sais that they have a secret internal team that tests and clear all new contents vet hm in blue equip.

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  • wolfie1.0.
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    jecks33 wrote: »
    In a recent interview the Lead Encounter Designer sais that they have a secret internal team that tests and clear all new contents vet hm in blue equip.

    Source please, without the source I call it fiction
  • wolfie1.0.
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    EF321 wrote: »
    I don't like this patch either, but devs are not supposed to be good at the game.

    All the more reason for this to occur.
  • Wyrd88
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    wolfie1.0. wrote: »
    jecks33 wrote: »
    In a recent interview the Lead Encounter Designer sais that they have a secret internal team that tests and clear all new contents vet hm in blue equip.

    Source please, without the source I call it fiction

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBsOyBGF66Y

    ~33:00 question about internal QA team.

    Conversation about that team is rather long and back and forth throughout the video, so I can't provide better timestamps.
    Edited by Wyrd88 on July 27, 2022 2:25PM
  • Jazraena
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    So they're saying that they handicap their QA team with blue gear because they're so well-versed in the content that they'd destroy it otherwise, and that this way the difficulty turns out okay for legendary gear CP builds.

    What would you say the difference in, for example, DPS is there between blue and gold? Perhaps 25%?
  • jecks33
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    wolfie1.0. wrote: »
    jecks33 wrote: »
    In a recent interview the Lead Encounter Designer sais that they have a secret internal team that tests and clear all new contents vet hm in blue equip.

    Source please, without the source I call it fiction


    No fiction, i'm sorry
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  • Mr_Stach
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    I'm glad they have their "Internal QA Team in blue equip" but here is my issue with it, Quality Assurance should have immediately shot up some red flags with this Patch and the changes.

    Next, this is the important one, the Combat Team, the one's in charge of balancing the game, should be VERY familiar with the Content, not just the QA Team.

    If the super secret QA Team did their Blue Test just fine, had 0 Red Flags, which I find really hard to believe, then they must be some super human players that these changes won't affect anyways.

    When you test things, you need Variables, in this case I would have Tests of Varying Skill Level and Gear Tiers. You also need to test it across different environments, not just Dummy Parses, but different Trials, Dungeons, and PvP. Dummy Parses are the example of best case scenario, which other don't exist when you play the game.

    I don't want a Balance team that is Informed by Data or Reports from Others. I want a Balance team that understands balance from experience. Knowing how to Sail a Boat and Sailing are completely skill sets. I think we need to see the Developers in game getting their feet wet with these changes and then tell us they are fine.
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  • X_K
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    Mr_Stach wrote: »
    I'm glad they have their "Internal QA Team in blue equip" but here is my issue with it, Quality Assurance should have immediately shot up some red flags with this Patch and the changes.

    Well. the Encounter teams QA Team was likely doing the dungeons of this patch on what is essentially the live build
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    they get ignored by combat team.
    either way Encounter's Team has almost no sway over Combat's decisions

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  • Jazraena
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    I'm mostly asking about the difference between gold and blue being around 25% given that would mean they literally just handed out that same handicap to the entire player base.

    Except Hank Heavy Attack, he gets twice that.
  • Mr_Stach
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    X_K wrote: »
    Mr_Stach wrote: »
    I'm glad they have their "Internal QA Team in blue equip" but here is my issue with it, Quality Assurance should have immediately shot up some red flags with this Patch and the changes.

    Well. the Encounter teams QA Team was likely doing the dungeons of this patch on what is essentially the live build
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    they get ignored by combat team.
    either way Encounter's Team has almost no sway over Combat's decisions

    Honestly this is an issue of the Right Hand not knowing what the left hand is doing. I think the Combat and Encounter team should work hand in hand.

    But of course this is all blindfolded guessing because we have no idea how Zos operates behind the patch notes. But. Educated guesses and all that from my own experience on Design Teams and such. Different type of design but the essentials are the same.
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  • Everest_Lionheart
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    For what it’s worth speaking as an endgame player, outside of hard modes nothing is actually hard, nor should it be. For the mid and lower tier players the vet content seems hard but once you been exposed to the pace and mechanics of the fights most things are rather simple and once the group understands how to control the room things actually get fun.

    100K DPS just helps the clear the room faster. Now for older content that means it just gets melted out of existence but with higher baseline DPS mechanics have been introduced that require the burn to stop, the mech to be dealt with and the burn to resume.

    A simple solution would be to take this older content where mechs are on a timer and move them to percentage much like the new content they have designed. Along with the percent burn you also put an enrage timer. If you burn before the timer the next mech hits harder. Make the enrage mech stack which gives super charged groups the kiss/curse option to burn. Or simply apply the enrage mechs only to hard mode.

    It’s a simple, easy and elegant solution to the power creep problem. Not some contrived half baked effort to lower the ceiling and raise the floor. Add achievements for those that burn though mechs, give them a super exclusive mount and skin for pushing the limits. Reward the best players instead of punishing them.

    But I digress, back to the QA team which is most likely not running the new content on HM in blue gear. I’m sure they can still clear most if not all vet content, after all it’s their job to literally play the game. For those of us who have other jobs IRL though we would like to not have to focus on the game like it’s a full time job to get clears of the HM content.

    Yes on current live, vet content is just that easy except for a few mech heavy boss fights.
  • Myrddin1357
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    EF321 wrote: »
    I don't like this patch either, but devs are not supposed to be good at the game.

    I can understand that not every single devs can be expected to be good at the game. But surely they have 4 people who are good enough to clear all dungeon content and 12 people who can clear all trial content that Zos releases.

    How are they testing content before releasing if they don't have this?
  • Pevey
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    Wyrd88 wrote: »
    wolfie1.0. wrote: »
    jecks33 wrote: »
    In a recent interview the Lead Encounter Designer sais that they have a secret internal team that tests and clear all new contents vet hm in blue equip.

    Source please, without the source I call it fiction

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBsOyBGF66Y

    ~33:00 question about internal QA team.

    Conversation about that team is rather long and back and forth throughout the video, so I can't provide better timestamps.

    They are talking about vet dungeons. There is huge difference between vet dungeons and HM trials.
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    Pevey wrote: »

    They are talking about vet dungeons. There is huge difference between vet dungeons and HM trials.

    Yeah, there's no way they are doing trial HMs in blue gear, especially for tanks.
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    jecks33 wrote: »
    In a recent interview the Lead Encounter Designer sais that they have a secret internal team that tests and clear all new contents vet hm in blue equip.
    Those must be some god-tier players. That's what they've been balancing this game around? Makes sense now.
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  • DrSlaughtr
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    I have yet to see anything in any patch that would convince me any of them have ever played this game.

    They literally live stream devs on twitch.
    I drink and I stream things.
  • jecks33
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    jecks33 wrote: »
    In a recent interview the Lead Encounter Designer sais that they have a secret internal team that tests and clear all new contents vet hm in blue equip.
    Those must be some god-tier players. That's what they've been balancing this game around? Makes sense now.

    ninjagank wrote: »
    I have yet to see anything in any patch that would convince me any of them have ever played this game.

    They literally live stream devs on twitch.


    yes, normal trials and dungeons with weird builds and heavy attack spam. We want to see trifectas
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  • acastanza_ESO
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    ninjagank wrote: »
    I have yet to see anything in any patch that would convince me any of them have ever played this game.

    They literally live stream devs on twitch.

    And they run around and auto-kill anything that's not overland with dev commands.

    We want to see them actually play endgame content. [snip]

    [edited for bashing]
    Edited by ZOS_Lunar on July 27, 2022 8:33PM
  • xylena_lazarow
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    We want to see them actually play endgame content. [snip]
    I would absolutely love to watch this secret black ops pro gamer squad clear Vet HM content in full blue gear.

    If that's their basis for comparison to... anything, it's no wonder [snip].

    [edited for bashing]
    Edited by ZOS_Lunar on July 27, 2022 8:36PM
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