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NBs are not to blame on this patch but...
kalunte
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Molten Whip (morph):
This morph now causes the ability to split the cost to half Stamina and half Magicka.
Reduced the stacking damage bonus to Molten Whip to 20% per stack, down from 33%.
Increased the Weapon and Spell Damage per stack to up to 100, up from 75.
The Weapon and Spell Damage portion of Seething Fury is no longer consumed when using Molten Whip.
this mechanic is just another Nightblade's given skill to another class, and everytime ZoS combat team did that it turned out the given version was better in all points to the NB skill.
We've had mass hysteria/turn undead
killer's blade/executionner (fixed after 7years of ESO)
and a few others in a smaller extend.
Anyway, Molten whip is a copy-past of Grim Focus, it just Stacks easier simply using skills, no need to land it, faster (3times instead of 5), and the passive wd/sp tied to it used not to get consumed on use but only once it landed, and now simply wont be consumed at all, only stacks that empowers the whip do.
just another unfair advantage given to DK.
i personnaly do not hate DK, what i do hate is how unfair they are managed compared to the entire game itself. half of their skills break all rules, skill budget or whatever, and sometimes even bypass core game because it's DK. this is shamefull but will still be as along at it suits ZoS to have halfdone way to do things.
This morph now causes the ability to split the cost to half Stamina and half Magicka.
Reduced the stacking damage bonus to Molten Whip to 20% per stack, down from 33%.
Increased the Weapon and Spell Damage per stack to up to 100, up from 75.
The Weapon and Spell Damage portion of Seething Fury is no longer consumed when using Molten Whip.
this mechanic is just another Nightblade's given skill to another class, and everytime ZoS combat team did that it turned out the given version was better in all points to the NB skill.
We've had mass hysteria/turn undead
killer's blade/executionner (fixed after 7years of ESO)
and a few others in a smaller extend.
Anyway, Molten whip is a copy-past of Grim Focus, it just Stacks easier simply using skills, no need to land it, faster (3times instead of 5), and the passive wd/sp tied to it used not to get consumed on use but only once it landed, and now simply wont be consumed at all, only stacks that empowers the whip do.
just another unfair advantage given to DK.
i personnaly do not hate DK, what i do hate is how unfair they are managed compared to the entire game itself. half of their skills break all rules, skill budget or whatever, and sometimes even bypass core game because it's DK. this is shamefull but will still be as along at it suits ZoS to have halfdone way to do things.
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JustAGoodPlayer✭✭✭✭Well we do not have invisiability and streak yet - so ... . And our unique skills was just deleted in this update, why do not you talk about it too ?
Lets delete invis and streak and jump on shadow and you get some our skills too
Sound as a good deal, for us )))
Because we have nothing, so we lose nothing )))Edited by JustAGoodPlayer on July 15, 2022 1:29PM5 -
kalunte✭✭✭✭✭everyone's damage and healing output got lowered this patch unless it was low enough. this isnt what i'm talking about. thanks.1
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DrSlaughtr✭✭✭✭✭
✭Molten Whip (morph):
This morph now causes the ability to split the cost to half Stamina and half Magicka.
Reduced the stacking damage bonus to Molten Whip to 20% per stack, down from 33%.
Increased the Weapon and Spell Damage per stack to up to 100, up from 75.
The Weapon and Spell Damage portion of Seething Fury is no longer consumed when using Molten Whip.
this mechanic is just another Nightblade's given skill to another class, and everytime ZoS combat team did that it turned out the given version was better in all points to the NB skill.
We've had mass hysteria/turn undead
killer's blade/executionner (fixed after 7years of ESO)
and a few others in a smaller extend.
Anyway, Molten whip is a copy-past of Grim Focus, it just Stacks easier simply using skills, no need to land it, faster (3times instead of 5), and the passive wd/sp tied to it used not to get consumed on use but only once it landed, and now simply wont be consumed at all, only stacks that empowers the whip do.
just another unfair advantage given to DK.
i personnaly do not hate DK, what i do hate is how unfair they are managed compared to the entire game itself. half of their skills break all rules, skill budget or whatever, and sometimes even bypass core game because it's DK. this is shamefull but will still be as along at it suits ZoS to have halfdone way to do things.
I agree with all of this. The issue with NB is that it's likely the most hated class thanks to PVP. Even outside of PTS, you can't go a week without at least one new anti-NB thread. Delete the class. Delete cloak. Make all NBs brawlers only. Don't interrupt my 1vX's. It's not fair. etc etc.
Then when we are given a bone on the PTS patch notes to make up for yet another set being taken away from us, people lose their minds. It makes it very difficult to responsibly advocate for class changes and balances to keep NB damage relevant in both PVE and PVP because the moment you suggest something, you get lambasted by multiple people.
Back to your point, Grim Focus is a poorly designed skill that we're kinda forced to run. Most of the time I go to proc it, I suddenly drop out of combat even though I'm surrounded by fighting. There goes the proc. I just end up refreshing the skill and starting back over.
The "in combat" requirement needs to be removed. You get your 40-60 seconds of up time no matter what.I drink and I stream things.3 -
Extinct_Solo_Player✭✭✭✭✭Molten Whip (morph):
This morph now causes the ability to split the cost to half Stamina and half Magicka.
Reduced the stacking damage bonus to Molten Whip to 20% per stack, down from 33%.
Increased the Weapon and Spell Damage per stack to up to 100, up from 75.
The Weapon and Spell Damage portion of Seething Fury is no longer consumed when using Molten Whip.
this mechanic is just another Nightblade's given skill to another class, and everytime ZoS combat team did that it turned out the given version was better in all points to the NB skill.
We've had mass hysteria/turn undead
killer's blade/executionner (fixed after 7years of ESO)
and a few others in a smaller extend.
Anyway, Molten whip is a copy-past of Grim Focus, it just Stacks easier simply using skills, no need to land it, faster (3times instead of 5), and the passive wd/sp tied to it used not to get consumed on use but only once it landed, and now simply wont be consumed at all, only stacks that empowers the whip do.
just another unfair advantage given to DK.
i personnaly do not hate DK, what i do hate is how unfair they are managed compared to the entire game itself. half of their skills break all rules, skill budget or whatever, and sometimes even bypass core game because it's DK. this is shamefull but will still be as along at it suits ZoS to have halfdone way to do things.
Have you forgotten the dot nerfs? The whole pressure DK whip playstyle wont be as strong next patch, 22% damage nerf to dots and a 39% damage nerf on a fully stacked molten whip (by the way, you actually have to use DK skills 3 times in a row to get a fully stacked whip so it does drain resources much more than having a simple proc condition on grim focus which just light attacks). Just remember your main spammable, suprise attack has guaranteed proc of sunder (minor breach), guaranteed critical hit and a stun when flanking enemies too. Oh and not to forget your class will have both major and minor cowardice which will definitely negate the 300 weapon and spell damage molten whip provide.Edited by Extinct_Solo_Player on July 20, 2022 10:21PM4 -
kalunte✭✭✭✭✭Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »Molten Whip (morph):
This morph now causes the ability to split the cost to half Stamina and half Magicka.
Reduced the stacking damage bonus to Molten Whip to 20% per stack, down from 33%.
Increased the Weapon and Spell Damage per stack to up to 100, up from 75.
The Weapon and Spell Damage portion of Seething Fury is no longer consumed when using Molten Whip.
this mechanic is just another Nightblade's given skill to another class, and everytime ZoS combat team did that it turned out the given version was better in all points to the NB skill.
We've had mass hysteria/turn undead
killer's blade/executionner (fixed after 7years of ESO)
and a few others in a smaller extend.
Anyway, Molten whip is a copy-past of Grim Focus, it just Stacks easier simply using skills, no need to land it, faster (3times instead of 5), and the passive wd/sp tied to it used not to get consumed on use but only once it landed, and now simply wont be consumed at all, only stacks that empowers the whip do.
just another unfair advantage given to DK.
i personnaly do not hate DK, what i do hate is how unfair they are managed compared to the entire game itself. half of their skills break all rules, skill budget or whatever, and sometimes even bypass core game because it's DK. this is shamefull but will still be as along at it suits ZoS to have halfdone way to do things.
Have you forgotten the dot nerfs? The whole pressure DK whip playstyle wont be as strong next patch, 22% damage nerf to dots and a 39% damage nerf on a fully stacked molten whip (by the way, you actually have to use DK skills 3 times in a row to get a fully stacked whip so it does drain resources much more than having a simple proc condition on grim focus which just light attacks). Just remember your main spammable, suprise attack has guaranteed proc of sunder (minor breach), guaranteed critical hit and a stun when flanking enemies too. Oh and not to forget your class will have both major and minor cowardice which will definitely negate the 300 weapon and spell damage molten whip provide.
Again, everyone got nerfed more or less this patch, and maybe, if the nb main spammable got buffed (and most of the nightblades i know dont care much about such a buff) it might have been because it was somehow underperforming even with minor breach and a stun tied to it.
having skills that works in combat and not once you win the fight would be a first step.. anyway, i didnt post here for that but with core game's "features" that could bothers me if i were in love with this game..0 -
Melzo✭✭✭✭Dk are getting weaker. The whip is weaker, the periodic damage will become weaker and as a result, the dk will become weaker. And nb the only class became stronger. Okay what...5
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DrSlaughtr✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dk are getting weaker. The whip is weaker, the periodic damage will become weaker and as a result, the dk will become weaker. And nb the only class became stronger. Okay what...
DKs make up most builds in cyrodiil for a reason. That's why they're getting hit a bit. They'll still probably be tops even with the minor nerfs.I drink and I stream things.0 -
jtm1018✭✭✭✭✭Oh, come on, please layoff the nb.
Just please, if the nb is so op, I will not die more than dozens of times in my bg match, killed and outclassed by every other class.
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Extinct_Solo_Player✭✭✭✭✭Dk are getting weaker. The whip is weaker, the periodic damage will become weaker and as a result, the dk will become weaker. And nb the only class became stronger. Okay what...
DKs make up most builds in cyrodiil for a reason. That's why they're getting hit a bit. They'll still probably be tops even with the minor nerfs.
They are not minor nerfs.3 -
Post is poorly written and needs to be reframed, starting with title.
Focus on DK's taking skills which you perceive to be NB toolset made easier, then defend why you believe the adjustments to NB this upcoming patch are correcting longstanding errors.
It's just all over the place.4 -
MashmalloMan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Want to hear about class identity and what power fantasy in ESO looks like?
Warden - 300 Weapon/Spell Damage.
DK - 300 Weapon/Spell Damage.
NB - Up to 900 Weapon/Spell Damage via Vampire, Concealed Weapon, Grim Focus.
So unique, bravo ZOS
PC Beta - 2200+ CP
Stam Sorc Khajiit PvE/PVP Main || Stam Sorc Dark Elf PvP ||
Stam Templar Dark Elf || Stam Warden Wood Elf || Stam DK Nord || Stam Necro Orc || Stam Blade Khajiit
Mag Sorc High Elf || Mag Templar High Elf || Mag Warden Breton || Mag Necro Khajiit || Mag Blade Khajiit5 -
kalunte✭✭✭✭✭MashmalloMan wrote: »Want to hear about class identity and what power fantasy in ESO looks like?
Warden - 300 Weapon/Spell Damage.
DK - 300 Weapon/Spell Damage.
NB - Up to 900 Weapon/Spell Damage via Vampire, Concealed Weapon, Grim Focus.
So unique, bravo ZOS
dks and wardens can be vampire too. and they have other tools right? but yeah keep on forgeting the core mecanisms i'm blaming.Zavijah_Arventi wrote: »Post is poorly written and needs to be reframed, starting with title.
Focus on DK's taking skills which you perceive to be NB toolset made easier, then defend why you believe the adjustments to NB this upcoming patch are correcting longstanding errors.
It's just all over the place.
and sorry for my english, i could reframe it myself in my birthlanguage but less ppl here would understand it.1 -
FeedbackOnly✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MashmalloMan wrote: »Want to hear about class identity and what power fantasy in ESO looks like?
Warden - 300 Weapon/Spell Damage.
DK - 300 Weapon/Spell Damage.
NB - Up to 900 Weapon/Spell Damage via Vampire, Concealed Weapon, Grim Focus.
So unique, bravo ZOS
Where's sorc....0 -
DrSlaughtr✭✭✭✭✭
✭MashmalloMan wrote: »Want to hear about class identity and what power fantasy in ESO looks like?
Warden - 300 Weapon/Spell Damage.
DK - 300 Weapon/Spell Damage.
NB - Up to 900 Weapon/Spell Damage via Vampire, Concealed Weapon, Grim Focus.
So unique, bravo ZOS
First it was the 'guaranteed' crit for surprise attack. Now people are going on about concealed weapon. You know what concealed will let me do? Drop vat 2h and shift to mag based. That's it. That's why it needs a buff to compete with stamina NBs. I'm looking forward to it, actually.
And by the way, relying on focus for anything is just an invitation to be let down. There's nothing like getting it to 5, go to try and proc it, and suddenly get dumped out of combat even though you're in the middle of a battle. It happens frequently. This is why most NBs proc it the moment they have it ready, rather than sitting on the damage. And then of course you have the slowest moving arrow in the history of warfare that is comically easy to avoid.I drink and I stream things.0 -
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✭✭✭✭"Wait, DKs can still kill other players in PvP? Nobody is supposed to die in PvP, quick grab the nerf bat..."PC/NA || CP/Cyro || RIP soft caps3
