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Oakensoul should grant only Minor buffs, not a mix of Minor and Major
Vylaera
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Title. I would like to see all the buffs oakensoul grants turned into minors, especially Major Sorcery and Brutality since we can get that from abilities that many people still use like degeneration, as well as turn Major Prophecy and Savagery into Minor, since many people get the Major buffs from Spell or Weapon Power pots. Then tack on more minor buffs like Minor Slayer, which would only affect its PvE performance.
Basically the only potion to run with the nerfed oakensoul are the generic tripots, since major heroism is being replaced with minor, so heroism pots are useless, and major Sorcery and Brutality are redundant with a spell power or weapon power potion, same with the critical chance buffs.
Edited by Vylaera on July 16, 2022 6:12PM Basically the only potion to run with the nerfed oakensoul are the generic tripots, since major heroism is being replaced with minor, so heroism pots are useless, and major Sorcery and Brutality are redundant with a spell power or weapon power potion, same with the critical chance buffs.
Vy • lae • ra | Fan of all things Vampiric | PC NA | Accurate World Map artist | Immaculate Reshade author
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Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Gotta disagree, the limiting factor is 1 bar, and no one would want 1 or 2 of 5 slots for Major Buff skills.16 -
Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Take away Major sorcery/brutality and prophecy/savagery and you're just trading one "only potion possible" for another.2 -
Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Plus, PvP might want those few Majors with Nocturnals Ploy stripping everything else away0 -
DinoZavr✭✭✭✭✭
✭From a solo player point of view future nerf of Oakensoul which you propose should also require removing one-bar restriction.
I'd prefer already published here idea not to nerf the ring further, but, instead, add minor Slayer and minor Aegis to compensate DPS loss in PVE which do not affect PVP.PC EU10 -
merpins✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If they did that, they'd need to remove the restriction on the ring or change the restriction. And it undermines the point of the ring, which is to help disabled players. It wasn't made for low APM or players that don't like bar swapping. Low APM players, and players that don't like bar swapping, could learn how to do bar swapping. Disabled players, that being those with arthritis, motor function disabilities, or other medical problems, have a tough time with one bar let alone two. By changing the ring in the way you suggest, it hurts those players.
If anything, they should add Major Slayer, and possible Major Aegis, to the ring. It was nerfed for PVP, and is underperforming in PVE. Adding those puts it back to being a helpful tool in dungeons and trials for end game disabled players, while at the same time not making it overpowered or hurting PVP.8 -
Vylaera✭✭✭✭✭
✭MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »If they did that, they'd need to remove the restriction on the ring or change the restriction. And it undermines the point of the ring, which is to help disabled players. It wasn't made for low APM or players that don't like bar swapping. Low APM players, and players that don't like bar swapping, could learn how to do bar swapping. Disabled players, that being those with arthritis, motor function disabilities, or other medical problems, have a tough time with one bar let alone two. By changing the ring in the way you suggest, it hurts those players.
If anything, they should add Major Slayer, and possible Major Aegis, to the ring. It was nerfed for PVP, and is underperforming in PVE. Adding those puts it back to being a helpful tool in dungeons and trials for end game disabled players, while at the same time not making it overpowered or hurting PVP.
I disagree that that is the point of the mythic. I think the point is to raise the floor for players who have a tough time in general, or for less organized groups or groups with bad itemization to still be able to do more difficult content. In which case redundancy with the second most common potion, first being crown tripots, isn't good.
If the major sorc and brut and the major proph and savag are replaced with their minor counterparts then all someone has to do to get these major buffs back is pop a spell or Weapon Power potion on cooldown like what's required for more difficult content anyway. You still have to pop a tripot to get your sustain, it's just that if you have the minor versions from the ring, you pop a spell power pot for the majors and sustain. It's better objectively than leaving the majors there since the minors are so difficult to get and require you to have a Templar, DK, Sorc, and NB in your group to get.Edited by Vylaera on July 16, 2022 8:05PMVy • lae • ra | Fan of all things Vampiric | PC NA | Accurate World Map artist | Immaculate Reshade author1 -
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✭MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »If they did that, they'd need to remove the restriction on the ring or change the restriction. And it undermines the point of the ring, which is to help disabled players. It wasn't made for low APM or players that don't like bar swapping. Low APM players, and players that don't like bar swapping, could learn how to do bar swapping. Disabled players, that being those with arthritis, motor function disabilities, or other medical problems, have a tough time with one bar let alone two. By changing the ring in the way you suggest, it hurts those players.
If anything, they should add Major Slayer, and possible Major Aegis, to the ring. It was nerfed for PVP, and is underperforming in PVE. Adding those puts it back to being a helpful tool in dungeons and trials for end game disabled players, while at the same time not making it overpowered or hurting PVP.
I disagree that that is the point of the mythic. I think the point is to raise the floor for players who have a tough time in general, or for less organized groups or groups with bad itemization to still be able to do more difficult content. In which case redundancy with the second most common potion, first being crown tripots, isn't good.
If the major sorc and brut and the major proph and savag are replaced with their minor counterparts then all someone has to do to get these major buffs back is pop a spell or Weapon Power potion on cooldown like what's required for more difficult content anyway. You still have to pop a tripot to get your sustain, it's just that if you have the minor versions from the ring, you pop a spell power pot for the majors and sustain. It's better objectively than leaving the majors there since the minors are so difficult to get and require you to have a Templar, DK, Sorc, and NB in your group to get.
If I have to pop a potion anyways, I may as well just wear the wild hunt ring (overland) or pale order (tougher content) and ditch this now garbage item.
If you are making it so that I cannot swap to a back bar you have to give more incentive to the players IMO. Even if I don't swap 99% of the time anyways, I miss the speed of the wild hunt. I'm not saying that everyone would stop wearing it, but I would put it in my "never used" box.3 -
ghost_bg_ESO✭✭✭✭I don't know what is the obsession with this ring to be nerfed to oblivion.
My messy build on live performs better than it even without pots and on pts MS/Julianos is better...
Have some dignity and leave it to exist for people who actually need it.8 -
JodaleSoul ShrivenI for one do not understand why it needs to be nerfed at all? The whole goal of the ring is to help those who have trouble bar swapping and managing 12 skills. In PVE, the current live version of Oakensoul is 30k-40k dps lower than traditional 2 bar setups, so it is not OP.
The problem seems to be in PVP. Just tie the ring to Battle Spirit and turn the buffs to minor when entering PVP.
The patch notes talked about closing the gap between skilled and lower skilled players....Oakensoul does that in its current form. It helped me go from 40k to 60k dps. I still suck but I suck much less than before. And the bottom line is...IT STILL DOES 30k-40K less damage than almost every other 2 bar setup known to man in PVE!!!!!
We need the team to learn to balance gear between PVE and PVP or just simply make it only available in one or the other.4 -
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✭ghost_bg_ESO wrote: »I don't know what is the obsession with this ring to be nerfed to oblivion.
My messy build on live performs better than it even without pots and on pts MS/Julianos is better...
Have some dignity and leave it to exist for people who actually need it.
My suggestion for anyone that would need this ring if it only provided minors...
Use another mythic.
And this is coming from a player with nerve damage in both hands that never switches bars anyways. Telling players like myself to have dignity when the ring was custom made for my playstyle and disabilities is akin to telling me to suck it up and just learn to swap bars.0 -
ghost_bg_ESO✭✭✭✭Toxic_Hemlock wrote: »ghost_bg_ESO wrote: »I don't know what is the obsession with this ring to be nerfed to oblivion.
My messy build on live performs better than it even without pots and on pts MS/Julianos is better...
Have some dignity and leave it to exist for people who actually need it.
My suggestion for anyone that would need this ring if it only provided minors...
Use another mythic.
And this is coming from a player with nerve damage in both hands that never switches bars anyways. Telling players like myself to have dignity when the ring was custom made for my playstyle and disabilities is akin to telling me to suck it up and just learn to swap bars.
Don't know if i didn't explain myself properly. The point was - ring even what is now on pts is nerfed and doesn't need more nerfs (as proposed to be removed all major buffs)...2 -
CaptainVenom✭✭✭✭✭
✭> Oakensoul should grant only Minor buffs, not a mix of Minor and Major Bookmark
Seriously? No, I mean... seriously???🌈 Ride with Pride🌈
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katorga✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZOS has put minor buffs on literally everything. There is no point in Oakensoul offering things you already get by using a normal 2 bar setup.
It was a money play nothing more.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Leave it as it is, OP and heck, even add to it, but disable it for PvP and any veteran content. That way it's there to help people with the base level of the game to they can experience and complete content; but it's not a "carry" item that makes achieving the harder things an actual achievement.
(And frankly, THAT could be its restriction. Let people have two bars if they want to still, they won't need a second bar with the ring still that strong, but there if they want it)-- @xaraan --
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Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Whether it's still useful will be up to the players, the point of the change is that it's no longer the default strongest option.
It still provides 100% uptime on several buffs that are the 5 piece bonus of other sets all rolled into one slot, so compared to other available options I wouldn't call it useless. There are many useless sets, mythic and otherwise, in the game, and Oakensoul is better than they are even in its new state.0 -
Vylaera✭✭✭✭✭
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The ring would be stronger with minors because you'd get the minors and the majors I was talking about with 100% easy uptime by simply popping your potion like you should be doing anyway. Idk why anyone would want it any other way. My proposition is more powerful than leaving those majors on it...ghost_bg_ESO wrote: »Toxic_Hemlock wrote: »ghost_bg_ESO wrote: »I don't know what is the obsession with this ring to be nerfed to oblivion.
My messy build on live performs better than it even without pots and on pts MS/Julianos is better...
Have some dignity and leave it to exist for people who actually need it.
My suggestion for anyone that would need this ring if it only provided minors...
Use another mythic.
And this is coming from a player with nerve damage in both hands that never switches bars anyways. Telling players like myself to have dignity when the ring was custom made for my playstyle and disabilities is akin to telling me to suck it up and just learn to swap bars.
Don't know if i didn't explain myself properly. The point was - ring even what is now on pts is nerfed and doesn't need more nerfs (as proposed to be removed all major buffs)...
Yes, seriously, for the reasons I explained. My proposition would increase its potential power compared to how it's been nerfed on PTS.CaptainVenom wrote: »> Oakensoul should grant only Minor buffs, not a mix of Minor and Major Bookmark
Seriously? No, I mean... seriously???Edited by Vylaera on July 17, 2022 1:51AMVy • lae • ra | Fan of all things Vampiric | PC NA | Accurate World Map artist | Immaculate Reshade author1 -
Vylaera✭✭✭✭✭
✭Or we could have the good option where it goes back to its initial 8.0.0 state with unique stats but disable it in PvP and everyone wins.Vy • lae • ra | Fan of all things Vampiric | PC NA | Accurate World Map artist | Immaculate Reshade author2 -
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✭@Vylaera the ring's aim is to make raise the floor and lower the ceiling. Your proposal does reverse - increases the ceiling but lowers the floor.
The ring is overnerfed atm.
Yes it is nerfed because of Major Heroism abuse in PvP. Yes, Major Heroism should go, because it is ruining PvP atm on live.
No, nothing else deserved a nerf. ZOS just decided to overnerf lots of stuff. Oakensoul too.1 -
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✭@Vylaera the ring's aim is to make raise the floor and lower the ceiling. Your proposal does reverse - increases the ceiling but lowers the floor.
The ring is overnerfed atm.
Yes it is nerfed because of Major Heroism abuse in PvP. Yes, Major Heroism should go, because it is ruining PvP atm on live.
No, nothing else deserved a nerf. ZOS just decided to overnerf lots of stuff. Oakensoul too.
How does a full catalogue of minor buffs on a ring lower the floor? It's literally impossible to get every minor buff unless you're in a super organized group because minors are class specific, and if popping a potion on cooldown for major buffs is too difficult then I don't think a ring will solve your problems. Not flaming, not baiting, just saying something that's true. A potion is 1 button press every 47 seconds. If that's too tall of an order then this mythic will not make you better at the game.
Minor Prophecy - Sorcerer
Minor Savagery - Nightblade
Minor Sorcery - Templar
Minor Brutality - Dragonknight
Those are the only sources for those buffs minus trash tier poisons that only have a 20% uptime on either minor prophecy or savagery.Vy • lae • ra | Fan of all things Vampiric | PC NA | Accurate World Map artist | Immaculate Reshade author0 -
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✭ghost_bg_ESO wrote: »Toxic_Hemlock wrote: »ghost_bg_ESO wrote: »I don't know what is the obsession with this ring to be nerfed to oblivion.
My messy build on live performs better than it even without pots and on pts MS/Julianos is better...
Have some dignity and leave it to exist for people who actually need it.
My suggestion for anyone that would need this ring if it only provided minors...
Use another mythic.
And this is coming from a player with nerve damage in both hands that never switches bars anyways. Telling players like myself to have dignity when the ring was custom made for my playstyle and disabilities is akin to telling me to suck it up and just learn to swap bars.
Don't know if i didn't explain myself properly. The point was - ring even what is now on pts is nerfed and doesn't need more nerfs (as proposed to be removed all major buffs)...
Sorry I misread, in my defense it was late for me to get my nap in. I will leave the post as is instead of editing it to remind me to get my nap in
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Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭Honestly, it can keep the 3 basic major it gives ATM(on PTS) with the addition of minor versions of Brutality/Sorcery and Prophecy/Savagery and even slayer, and I don't think anyone will complain.
Edited by Lughlongarm on July 17, 2022 12:52PM0 -
Klingenlied✭✭✭✭Remove heroism? Fine. Add more minors? Fine. Remove other majors? Not fine.
Simple as that.0 -
Remathilis✭✭✭✭✭
✭RIght now, the Ring on the PTS reads "Your Backbar is automatically filled with Camo Hunter, Critical Surge, Empowered Ward, Inner Light, and Channeled Acceleration, along with a free Potion of Spell Critical. The buffs are automatically applied from your backbar for free, minus the damage, healing, or shield effects".
(This is for my Sorc, individual buff skills may vary)
Its barely worth running over a 2nd bar as is. At best I'm getting a few bonuses (courage, heroism, protection, and mending) that I could get from a healer or item set. The only real gravy is heroism. Knocking it back to All minors better comes with ALL minor buffs. (add Aegis, Expedition, Evasion, Gallop, Slayer, Toughness, Vitality). Maybe then we're talking a trade.
As one of those players that was happy to have a simplified rotation, reducing this further makes it not worth the loss of my bonus Dots and RotPO.1
