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No Scaling for Werewolf LAs and Heavies?
Wuuffyy
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I know this will be pushed all the way down the list, as no one will reply or just a few if I’m lucky here.
However, I just wanted to state that you made 0 special scalings for WW in your blanket nerf. A big part of WW damage comes from light and heavies (a good part of the kit that you cannot make up, comes from this damage).
Simply put, it’s a known fact that they have long since had special scaling for lights, splash for heavies (easy access to off balance for return/damage). This has been completely ignored in the aforementioned changes.
My opinion on the generalized basic attack change is neither here nor there, however, werewolf already has, and has always had only one bar. Therefore, in all honesty, with a lot less skill clutter, there isn’t a need to standardize the basic here, especially when the damage is ingrained in the kit and cannot be made up when lost.
Beyond this, I noticed you both nerfed the damage and the heal on the already underperforming ‘claws of life’ aoe/dot morph as well. Obviously, especially due to the low pick rate, it doesn’t make sense. Honestly, if the heal is too much on a spreadsheet, then just make it a flat value so it’s at least more consistent. -referring to PvP here.
Lastly, I wanted to mention the lack of a bug fix for werewolf berserker dot bleed having a 0% chance to proc the actual status effect. I get that this isn’t a super heavily used morph, however, things like this definitely contribute to people not even making an attempt to use certain skills at all.
However, I just wanted to state that you made 0 special scalings for WW in your blanket nerf. A big part of WW damage comes from light and heavies (a good part of the kit that you cannot make up, comes from this damage).
Simply put, it’s a known fact that they have long since had special scaling for lights, splash for heavies (easy access to off balance for return/damage). This has been completely ignored in the aforementioned changes.
My opinion on the generalized basic attack change is neither here nor there, however, werewolf already has, and has always had only one bar. Therefore, in all honesty, with a lot less skill clutter, there isn’t a need to standardize the basic here, especially when the damage is ingrained in the kit and cannot be made up when lost.
Beyond this, I noticed you both nerfed the damage and the heal on the already underperforming ‘claws of life’ aoe/dot morph as well. Obviously, especially due to the low pick rate, it doesn’t make sense. Honestly, if the heal is too much on a spreadsheet, then just make it a flat value so it’s at least more consistent. -referring to PvP here.
Lastly, I wanted to mention the lack of a bug fix for werewolf berserker dot bleed having a 0% chance to proc the actual status effect. I get that this isn’t a super heavily used morph, however, things like this definitely contribute to people not even making an attempt to use certain skills at all.
Wuuffyy,
WEREWOLF FINALLY GOT A REWORK AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (sorry I mean... NERF WW, one-bar BAD, DESTROY one-bar builds)
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WEREWOLF FINALLY GOT A REWORK AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (sorry I mean... NERF WW, one-bar BAD, DESTROY one-bar builds)
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JustAGoodPlayer✭✭✭✭I think it will be good if some specific builds will not be effected with their changes. If it is not some thing top dps builds.
But now all goes in 1 standartization maner, so this update is not balanced good.
This patch is bad changes.
When they hit top DPS builds they must not get damage to other builds, but they do !
So all players get problems each update !Edited by JustAGoodPlayer on July 13, 2022 4:02PM2 -
kalunte✭✭✭✭✭just another exemple of ZoS skipping a part of the job when trying to "standardize" things.
it was the same with gapcloser's range, AoEs, Delayed 1st second of DoTs.. i wont mention them all but you can consider it may be fixed in a year or never (weapon's poison keep hitting at second0 when occuring even if they manage to have all proc-dots and skill start hitting after a second...).
Good luck if you have it looked at, or , let's be crazy: fixed
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Wuuffyy✭✭✭✭✭
✭So unfortunate this is already at the bottom of the page. Please add your input if you care about niche playstyles. This will be completely ignored without consistent and apparent feedback from the minority. That’s just how game issues without majority feedback go.Wuuffyy,
WEREWOLF FINALLY GOT A REWORK AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (sorry I mean... NERF WW, one-bar BAD, DESTROY one-bar builds)
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✭✭✭✭✭Wolf_Watching wrote: »So unfortunate this is already at the bottom of the page. Please add your input if you care about niche playstyles. This will be completely ignored without consistent and apparent feedback from the minority. That’s just how game issues without majority feedback go.
It will be ignored regardless, I'm afraid. ZOS needs a few more updates to study the horrible effects of every bad decision they make, and then they'll do a pass addressing those problems they've created which will in turn lead to other problems.
This is the pattern of poor planning and no coherent vision.4 -
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✭Sandman929 wrote: »Wolf_Watching wrote: »So unfortunate this is already at the bottom of the page. Please add your input if you care about niche playstyles. This will be completely ignored without consistent and apparent feedback from the minority. That’s just how game issues without majority feedback go.
It will be ignored regardless, I'm afraid. ZOS needs a few more updates to study the horrible effects of every bad decision they make, and then they'll do a pass addressing those problems they've created which will in turn lead to other problems.
This is the pattern of poor planning and no coherent vision.
It really is unfortunate that it seems to be this way.Wuuffyy,
WEREWOLF FINALLY GOT A REWORK AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (sorry I mean... NERF WW, one-bar BAD, DESTROY one-bar builds)
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Aeaeren✭✭✭I am a HUGE BIG bad wolf and when I thump you errr .... Why you no fall down? I guess my claws are good for popping that pimple on your bosmer butt!
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✭✭I am a HUGE BIG bad wolf and when I thump you errr .... Why you no fall down? I guess my claws are good for popping that pimple on your bosmer butt!
Werewolf claws are just foam fingers nowAltoholic, Frost Warden Sympathizer and Main
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✭I'd hoped that at least they'd fix the animation lock that leaves WW hunched over and unable to use skills when you get a disruption of the leap skill. I see it a fair bit when my ping is high. But no, no fixes for that.
So far as the OP: I used to love running WW, but its heyday is a distant memory. Prior to this patch, it was already not worth playing, save for RP. This patch further solidifies its dumpster grade DPS.
A funny thing happened the other day: I had the WW ultimate slotted for a BG to see how the regen played out. I thought I'd swapped bars, but when I dropped my ultimate, I accidentally triggered the WW transform. My first feeling was embarrassment. I quickly transformed back- first because I didn't want to run such a weak form, and second because I felt like a total noob simply for having it on my bar at all.4 -
Wuuffyy✭✭✭✭✭
✭SirLeeMinion wrote: »I'd hoped that at least they'd fix the animation lock that leaves WW hunched over and unable to use skills when you get a disruption of the leap skill. I see it a fair bit when my ping is high. But no, no fixes for that.
So far as the OP: I used to love running WW, but its heyday is a distant memory. Prior to this patch, it was already not worth playing, save for RP. This patch further solidifies its dumpster grade DPS.
A funny thing happened the other day: I had the WW ultimate slotted for a BG to see how the regen played out. I thought I'd swapped bars, but when I dropped my ultimate, I accidentally triggered the WW transform. My first feeling was embarrassment. I quickly transformed back- first because I didn't want to run such a weak form, and second because I felt like a total noob simply for having it on my bar at all.
It really is quite a shame that it’s in such a bad state. It seems they keep all the subclass specs in a bad state aside from a few niche situations.Wuuffyy,
WEREWOLF FINALLY GOT A REWORK AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (sorry I mean... NERF WW, one-bar BAD, DESTROY one-bar builds)
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Definitely feels like it, especially on PTS.Wuuffyy,
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That’s a shame! Really. I don’t know if you could see this but I know physical evidence works best with them if anything goes through? Would you mind linking both the pre and post pts CMXs in this thread, please?Wuuffyy,
WEREWOLF FINALLY GOT A REWORK AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (sorry I mean... NERF WW, one-bar BAD, DESTROY one-bar builds)
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JustAGoodPlayer✭✭✭✭How much wervolf has DPS in PVE now, do you use LA as primary attack ? How does youcurrent rotation looks like ? Do you use la skill or more spam LAs?
Current PTS changes look not healthy at all and may be it is simple to make another solution to current problems.0 -
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✭JustAGoodPlayer wrote: »How much wervolf has DPS in PVE now, do you use LA as primary attack ? How does youcurrent rotation looks like ? Do you use la skill or more spam LAs?
Current PTS changes look not healthy at all and may be it is simple to make another solution to current problems.
So unfortunately, like I previously mentioned in the post, unlike other classes/subclasses), damage that werewolf loses cannot be made up in most cases. We can’t substitute skills, a limited amount of sets apply additionally to use vs what we already use, etc.Wuuffyy,
WEREWOLF FINALLY GOT A REWORK AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (sorry I mean... NERF WW, one-bar BAD, DESTROY one-bar builds)
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JustAGoodPlayer✭✭✭✭Wolf_Watching wrote: »JustAGoodPlayer wrote: »How much wervolf has DPS in PVE now, do you use LA as primary attack ? How does youcurrent rotation looks like ? Do you use la skill or more spam LAs?
Current PTS changes look not healthy at all and may be it is simple to make another solution to current problems.
So unfortunately, like I previously mentioned in the post, unlike other classes/subclasses), damage that werewolf loses cannot be made up in most cases. We can’t substitute skills, a limited amount of sets apply additionally to use vs what we already use, etc.
How much do you have on live, pts is not yet everywhere
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melthorSoul ShrivenJustAGoodPlayer wrote: »How much wervolf has DPS in PVE now, do you use LA as primary attack ? How does youcurrent rotation looks like ? Do you use la skill or more spam LAs?
Current PTS changes look not healthy at all and may be it is simple to make another solution to current problems.
This looks pretty OK to me on PTS. Not a great parse, someone would probably be able to get it to 100k with more practice.
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✭✭JustAGoodPlayer wrote: »How much wervolf has DPS in PVE now, do you use LA as primary attack ? How does youcurrent rotation looks like ? Do you use la skill or more spam LAs?
Current PTS changes look not healthy at all and may be it is simple to make another solution to current problems.
This looks pretty OK to me on PTS. Not a great parse, someone would probably be able to get it to 100k with more practice.
This is a good Parse, I would be aware on the Trial Dummy they did add Major Slayer and Minor Courage.
You do already have the Minor Courage via Oaken Soul, but you did have that extra Increase to Weapon Damage and Spell Damage by 430.
Werewolf that effects less since Lights and Heavies got hit but it does boost everything else.
like I said, you had a good Parse I just wanted to make sure that you are aware of the Trial Dummy Buff so you aren't surprised when it's lower in practice.
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I'm sure they have a plan already in the works. It's early pts still.
I hope so. There are clearly a lot of area that have been overlooked in this patch combat wise, it seems.Wuuffyy,
WEREWOLF FINALLY GOT A REWORK AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (sorry I mean... NERF WW, one-bar BAD, DESTROY one-bar builds)
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✭JustAGoodPlayer wrote: »How much wervolf has DPS in PVE now, do you use LA as primary attack ? How does youcurrent rotation looks like ? Do you use la skill or more spam LAs?
Current PTS changes look not healthy at all and may be it is simple to make another solution to current problems.
This looks pretty OK to me on PTS. Not a great parse, someone would probably be able to get it to 100k with more practice.
This is a good Parse, I would be aware on the Trial Dummy they did add Major Slayer and Minor Courage.
You do already have the Minor Courage via Oaken Soul, but you did have that extra Increase to Weapon Damage and Spell Damage by 430.
Werewolf that effects less since Lights and Heavies got hit but it does boost everything else.
like I said, you had a good Parse I just wanted to make sure that you are aware of the Trial Dummy Buff so you aren't surprised when it's lower in practice.
That is absolutely true, my assumption is without those the number would be a lot lower too.Wuuffyy,
WEREWOLF FINALLY GOT A REWORK AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (sorry I mean... NERF WW, one-bar BAD, DESTROY one-bar builds)
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✭JustAGoodPlayer wrote: »Wolf_Watching wrote: »JustAGoodPlayer wrote: »How much wervolf has DPS in PVE now, do you use LA as primary attack ? How does youcurrent rotation looks like ? Do you use la skill or more spam LAs?
Current PTS changes look not healthy at all and may be it is simple to make another solution to current problems.
So unfortunately, like I previously mentioned in the post, unlike other classes/subclasses), damage that werewolf loses cannot be made up in most cases. We can’t substitute skills, a limited amount of sets apply additionally to use vs what we already use, etc.
How much do you have on live, pts is not yet everywhere
I haven’t tested this on PTS. I’m not primarily concerned with the DPS of WW in PvE, and the reason being is over the years it has both declined in effectiveness and increased in difficulty (although still simple). For me, in PvE, overall it’s just very boring to me in PvE. Regardless of this, if they are underperforming in PvE even more now than before, it’s a problem for anyone even considering the subclass.Wuuffyy,
WEREWOLF FINALLY GOT A REWORK AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (sorry I mean... NERF WW, one-bar BAD, DESTROY one-bar builds)
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✭Any update on at least the bleed bug?Wuuffyy,
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✭✭✭✭✭Wolf_Watching wrote: »Any update on at least the bleed bug?
If I were a betting man, I'd say WW isn't even on the radar for another 3 months. ZOS can't even chew gum, much less do it while walking.0
