"Reduced the damage of this ability by 41.5% so that it now does 130% of a ranged spammable attack between both attacks, rather than 200% of a melee spammable."

So before it did 100% melee attack and 100% melee attack over 2 light attacks.

Now it does 65% of ranged spammable and 65% ranged spammable over two light attacks. Ranged spammable is 10% less than melee spammable on average, so it is doing more like 59% of the damage it used to per light attack. Oh but they reduced the cost by 13% so that's great right?

It is absolutely terrible now and easily outperformed by any other spammable, ranged or melee as has been shown in another thread.

Why would they not simply have it be 100% of a ranged spammable (so a 10% nerf and fair since it can be used in either ranged or melee), and increase the cost a bit so it uses the same resource amount as a typical spammable would over 2 casts?

Slicesym wrote: »

I agree that with bow/destro crystal weapon was overperforming. Crystal weapon was reduced by 41.5%. Bound armaments was reduced by 38% and no longer buffs light attacks. Light attacks were also nerfed. This takes away a lot of burst from melee stam sorcs in PVP. I think it would be better if you did what you did with savage warewolf and make it only useful with melee combat instead of nerfing it this much.

This isn't correct. Crystal Weapon on a MagSorc running a Destro staff was barely performing at par with other classes burst damage. It was only overperforming on with Bows on StamSorcs. MagSorcs were barely hanging on with the damage it provided.

They should have nerfed Savage Werewolf and called it a day. That would have removed the Bow problem that StamSorcs were abusing but left it alone for MagSorcs who desperately need the help.

In my opinion, Bound Armaments should not have been touched. I don't think the skill was overperforming in any way.
The nerf to crystal weapon for week one is a bit overkill. I think changing it to work only in melee range would have been enough or maybe like 5% less damage nothing big. The biggest problems with savage ww using bow sorcs were already addressed so that's good.

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Or have it do less damage the farther away you are from someone?

This would be ideal I think. Similar to how Dive is currently for mag version. That way there is diversity but it doesnt get to op at longer ranges.

JustAGoodPlayer wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

JustAGoodPlayer wrote: »

Slicesym wrote: »

I agree that with bow/destro crystal weapon was overperforming. I think it would be better if you did what you did with savage warewolf and make it only useful with melee combat instead of nerfing the main spammable of the class to the basement.

Spammable is skill that is standartized and do X damage. If all the spammable do the same damage it is standart thing ?

Why some class spammable have to be better ?

On 3 skill casts DK get x2 whip, ok.
So it is possible to impower some spammables with 30-33% per another skill cast.
Templar had jubs, it is ... reworked.

Spammable of destro staff gets 3 different strike and can land 3 different status effect, the same for psijick one.

So it looks like spammables are based about this value.

Why sorc spammable have to be *2 ?

Just because it is a sorc ?

Crystal weapon was not 2x. It was 1x per light attack.
2x per two light attacks. It costs was not 1x either..it was 1.5x

The skill was over performing only because of a nasty proc set that is getting nerfed as well.

Also light attacks are getting nerfed too, that would tune down the original skill as well.

ZOS just never learns to do incremental changes. The stamsorc was hit from so many angles at once that is a useless class now. Most probably I'll just prematurely retire my Stamsorc, but not everyone switches classes so easily.

You pres skill LA, so if it is 5 hard hitting dots + 5 cristal shards. That each hits as dots.

You use 6 skill bars and make damage as players with 10 different skills used on skill bars.

Is not it to OP ?

If you use this + spammable you make same damage as player with 5 different skills+ spammable. But you only use 2 pannels.

Other classes has no such option.

If we have it - OK, but it is too OP to only 1 class have it and others not, do not you think ?

All or no one

Thats how standartization works )))

Or some compromisses and differences for each class all are happy with.

I get what you are trying to say, but sorc has no access to good dots. New dot standard says this: DOT will do 2x damage of a spammable for the duration.
Which on paper would make stamsroc extremely overpowered, as you have shown.
Lets run the numbers one more time:
1x Crystal Weapon attack for every light attack paired with 5 hard hitting dots(each does 2x for the duration of 20s) will result in :
20x damage from Crystal Weapon + 10x damage from dots = 30x damage total in 20s.

Lets put it next to DK: DK would need to skip a wheap to apply the dots which makes the numbers look like:
15x damage from whip = 10x damage form dots = 25x damage in 20s.

That's on paper but the reality is Sorc doesn't have good 2x dots! If a sorc can come up with 5 strong dots that means DKs can easily come up with 8 good dots....and lets run the numbers again:
Sorc:
20x Crystal Weapon + 10x Dot damage = 30x damage
DK:
12x Whip Damage = 16x Dot damage = 28x damage

As you can see the damage discrepancy is minor. It is definitely not a 41.5% discrepancy that stam sorc got.

And remember all the examples above are valid on a perfect parsing.
If a stamsorc misses at least 2 light attacks then the damage gets even with the DKs. If he misses more then the parsing is getting even worse..