I'm fine with it. It's not like it's hard.

ZOS wants you to try out different things. When it offers pve endeavours in Cyrodiil, it does the same: Do quests in Bruma, Cheydinhal etc. It doesn't just say "do whatever". When it didn't matter, I just always went into the same PD.

Yeah, I don't see the value personally. And I also find with one location, it's more likely there will be other players there instead.

It's not that it's more difficult, it just seems unnecessary to decide where I should need to go for me, when they never did before.

TinyDragon wrote: »

Yeah, I don't see the value personally. And I also find with one location, it's more likely there will be other players there instead.

It's not that it's more difficult, it just seems unnecessary to decide where I should need to go for me, when they never did before.

My guess is "other players there" is exactly why they are doing it; making the multi--player world seem a bit less empty by encouraging and rewarding players to be in the same place.

I have stopped bothering with those ones, got no desire to wait for 3 bosses to re-spawn just so that I can kill them.

Its not a matter of difficulty its a matter of spending 90% of the time of this endeavor type waiting for the bosses to re-spawn.

This is the type of daily I hated most back when I played SWTOR where a lot of the daily quests there had bosses or objectives in the overland that every single player doing them would have to wait for them to re-spawn before they could have their turn to interact with them.

Its time they took a look at re-spawn times for bosses in the game, keep your global loot cool down but speed up the bosses re-spawn times.

Heavens forbid we are occasionally asked to put a tiny bit of effort into actually playing the game.

If going to do Auridon Public Dungeons is so inconvenient, do Cheydinhal quests as a DC/AD player next, haha.

I can see the point of wanting players to try out new things, and even making it seem like there are more players by putting more people in one place... but I also see the downside of putting a lot of people in one place. Aside from the potential waiting time between bosses and players not getting loot, we also get performance issues

For role play (MMORPG) I don't go where I don't know

I didn't do the Auridon PD endeavor, since I've already done that PD a lot.

But I haven't done the Blackwood PDs nearly as much, so I opted for one of them-- Zenithar's Abbey, of course.

BretonMage wrote: »

I suppose this is an unpopular opinion, but I'm fine with them encouraging us to try things that are outside our routine. If I really dislike an endeavor, I just won't participate in it, but so far, it's been alright. The Wrothgar PD is not the most convenient, but it isn't the worst either.

There are 2 in Wrothgar. I'm not sure, but I don't think you can even access the majority of Old Orsinium (down in the SW) unless you do the quest and "unlock" it-- which I don't want to do on my PC EU main because he's doing the zones (as far as their quests) in order and is not up to Wrothgar yet, but the first boss (spider) is in the outer section that's accessible without doing the quest.

The other PD in Wrothgar is the Dwarven ruin (up in the NE) and is fully accessible even without doing the quest. That's the one I'll be doing on PC EU, although I'll probably do Old Orsinium on PC NA.

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

If going to do Auridon Public Dungeons is so inconvenient, do Cheydinhal quests as a DC/AD player next, haha.

I find that it isn't so bad doing Cheydinhal quests on my DC mains, since it isn't a flag town.

But the Cropsford quests are pretty much out of the question for me unless DC happens to control it. I can flip the flags solo if no one's around, but if they aren't already blue then there are usually some reds or yellows around to stop me from flipping them solo. And the quest givers are near impossible to access unless the flag guards are friendly.

Aislinna wrote: »

TinyDragon wrote: »

Yeah, I don't see the value personally. And I also find with one location, it's more likely there will be other players there instead.

It's not that it's more difficult, it just seems unnecessary to decide where I should need to go for me, when they never did before.

My guess is "other players there" is exactly why they are doing it; making the multi--player world seem a bit less empty by encouraging and rewarding players to be in the same place.

I can sort of have some fun while doing public dungeons solo at quiet hours but when one place becomes overwhelmed with players it becomes miserable experience. There is nothing encouraging or rewarding about spawn camping bosses as your daily chore just so they can melt in 2 seconds. Waisting 15-20 minutes of free time on that is simply soul draining.

Yeah, because grinding out enough Endeavors to get maybe one or two things each Crate season wasn't already annoying enough.

ZOS really likes to stomp all over their "play how you want" thing, don't they? There's nothing wrong with leaving these Endeavors as doing the ones you want to. If they want people to revisit old zones then put actual rewarding content in them. I fail to see how forcing people into a single area of a zone does anything to inspire people to actually explore/revisit it, especially when it's for something that only lasts one day.

It can already be a pain waiting for bosses to respawn, too, without everyone being forced to go after the same ones and then you have the problem where said boss(es) get melted within a second of spawning. It's too easy not to have a chance to get a hit in before they're dead and here you go, spend more time waiting for your next chance to finish the Endeavor.

Danikat wrote: »

I can think of a few possible reasons, many of which have been mentioned in this thread, but I'm not sure which one it is, or even which seems most plausible.

They've noticed many players will go out of their way to complete endeavours and are trying to use that to encourage us into some of the less populated areas of the world, either hoping it will encourage spending more time there or just to make their metrics look better.

Conversely they've noticed that even players who go out of their way to do endeavours will often pick the quickest and easiest option and for some reason consider this a problem, so they're trying to push for players to do something different or more complicated.

They've trying to make endeavours less appealing so fewer people do them and/or earn fewer seals overall, so there's more incentive to buy crown crates.

They're simply using endeavours as a quick way to experiment with what players will and will not do for a reward, as a way of gathering data to plan future content and events.

@Danikat
Well said. Experimenting in particular, and pushing our tolerance seems like something they might do for metrics.

FWIW, I actually really like having reasons to "be in the world"- to go to different places, etc. They're on the right track with the Mages and Fighters Guild dailies, for instance. But the sorts of activities that cause annoying competition and just sitting there waiting for a spawn take me out of the world and are just really annoying.

"Hard work" is missing the point. I think the community just really gets annoyed by this sort of thing.