Amottica wrote: »

HonestLoverr wrote: »

No. Battlespirit needs to go. Adjustments that got made through battlespirit should be permanent adjustments in literally every content even outside of PvP. They just never get it right with it. The heavily unbalanced gameplay in PvP through battlespirit causes so many things to be op and so many things to be useless couples with cp, cyro buffs. Sets/heals/damage/% boost and debuffs/speed/etc. the current meta is a mess and Battlespirit is one of the roots of this problem.

ZOS is tried to reinvent the wheel several times now in all these years and either broke something from PvP or PvE as a result. They should just get rid of Battlespirit once and for all and rebalance/reinvent all of the stat and scaling systems instead + remove any unnessessary % modifiers left and right. CP and all the cyrodiil buffs that are in place bring the gameplay even further out of balance.

First, if they just make the battle spirit standard that heavily unbalanced gameplay you speak of in PvP will become permanent.

Also, PvE content would have to be rebalanced as a result of battle spirit becoming permanent adjustments in literally every content outside of PvP. Heck, clearing the hardest content would become impossible by the best players.

I am not suggesting Zenimax has a good handle on balance but I am saying making battle spirit permanent across pretty much the entire game would be devastating and make the problem you bring up permanent.

If it just gets outright done without making adjustments to the stat and scaling systems and % modifiers, then yes I would agree with you. If they did do adjustments accordingly though, we are much closer to a real balanced environment in every content.

As some others have already stated, no CP feels like base game. CP feels just thrown on top and pulls everything out of balance. ZOS just picked the cherries in the past and nerfed/buffed too much all over the place (from sets to skills to armor traits etc.) attempting to bring everything on par while also inventing something new which led to constant repeating of this causing the game to never having an even ground for 8 years straight for anyone regardless of PvP or PvE. Overperforming sets, underperforming sets, overperforming skills, underperforming skills, overperforming traits, underperforming traits. overperforming cp, undperforming cp, overperforming buffs, underperforming nerfs, and vice versa, even overperforming bugs (light attack weaving, best example out of all). So, you get the idea.

All of this resulted in the balance problems we got today. I guess its safe to say everyone knows why battlespirit is there. ZOS knows about all the above things and how gameplay shifts completely in terms of PvP. It should somewhat even out the playing field with everything that gets used or abused there. Just that it often leads to still having things nerfed also in the PvE aspect when something with PvP goes wrong, or the other way around. Getting rid of battlespirit (or even applying it everywhere even) makes an easier time to balance things out once a general baseline for both PvE and PvP gameplay stat and scaling aspects get created.

Of course this would mean more or less half of damage getting done in PvE (compared to PvP content) for example, like it stands now. But thats not what I was about to suggest. As I said before, a better way that what we have right now in terms of stat influence and the way how scaling works is needed. And it shouldn't be too hard to invent. What this could look like in detail is up to the devs. I doubt anyone here would even come up with possible ideas about anything regardling complete system or stat balancing, if no one even knows what is really possible with their engine, code and future plans for the direction of this game. Balancing gameplay can be simplified or made even complex that it is currently. Its just that once system after system gets applied to balance out old and new aspects while inventing something completely different to keep other aspects fresh and appealing to players, things break left and right quickly.

And here we are. After all these years having heavy nerf/buff cicles. Too many modifiers, too much complexity. Everything coming together and everything playing a role in the unbalanced state of this game. Hybridization leans towards making thing.. simpler. Which is a good direction. Yet battlespirit and CP play a big role too. As well as scaling. Simplifying them is what is needed as well.

Healing shouldn't be penalized even further. It already is a penality to solo roamers. And on the flipsipe it rewards groups instead, up to the point of being literally unkillable. So its clear it must get balanced sooner than later! For example like I suggest, by simplyifing stat and scaling systems + removal of all unnessessary modifiers. No more battlespirit adjusting. No more cherry picking. Reinventing the wheel is more promising to guarantee a better balance.

I think you are still on a blanket nerf path which just tends to hit some play styles or classes more than others while being applied to everyone.

I still think offensive stat sets (not proc damage) need a bump toward damage/debuff to where it truly would be favorable to have at least one rather than a defense set and a proc for 2 5 pieces. Maybe if it was beneficial to have 2 damage sets to counter the tanking up, Wed see more rock paper scissors environment. Right now you do not lose as much to be somewhat tanky.

Heartrage wrote: »

Reduce healing skills values and magicka/spell power scaling and increase the " increase healing received/given % " bonuses from sets and other slottable sources so having one set with these bonuses becomes necessary to do decent healing while doing some dps. The objective would be that healers without sets would have to spam heals more to compensate and have less time to dps but adding more bonuses would free time for the healers to do dps.

Dps would have to either reduce their damage to heal themselves decently or deal with it.

Tanks would also have to invest into" increase healing received " bonuses if they want to heal themselves more or ensure that the healer will be able to heal them.

People keep bringing this up, but if that happens, it should also make shields and cloack/stealth less effective without investing in radius detection or some shield strength buff. Maybe streak and shade distance needing dedicated stats as well?

I'm being silly because that's what it is to ignore that some classes are left to face tank and their defense is healing over shields and avoidance they lack.

A blanket approach does not bring balance. Only shuffles the deck