Event encourages Trove Trolls

TimeViewer · July 2022

All over the maps I'm seeing a sharp increase in an already bad problem, trashy players who cherry pick loot from chests, thieves troves, and safeboxes leaving behind the junk items and preventing the respawn of said container.

Shame your god of hard work can't see fit to punish the ones who trash the world for others

SeaGtGruff · July 2022

That sort of thing is annoying as heck, but it does not prevent the chest or trove or node from respawning. They will despawn after a while, regardless of whether they were partially looted or completely untouched, and then a little while later they will respawn again.

AoEnwyr · July 2022

Once opened don't the have a despawn timer? I remember a similar issue from not long after launch with people leaving worms in cloth/alchemy harvest nodes and that got sorted afaik

SeaGtGruff · July 2022

If left completely untouched, a node or chest or trove will go through a spawn/despawn cycle-- spawn, despawn after a while, then spawn again after another (presumably shorter) while. You can park yourself beside a node in a secluded spot, wait there patiently, and observe this spawn/despawn cycle in action.

phaneub17_ESO · July 2022

AoEnwyr wrote: »

Once opened don't the have a despawn timer? I remember a similar issue from not long after launch with people leaving worms in cloth/alchemy harvest nodes and that got sorted afaik

10 minutes from the last time someone opened it. This means if someone new comes along and opens it again, doesn't take all of its content the timer refreshes back to 10 minutes.

Another reason people may not take all of its content is Isobel and not wanting to lose rapport with her even if its a very minor amount, if you just take the gold and no objects she doesn't respond to it. Bastian I think reacts either way, but he's not as well loved so if you have Issy you can take the gold and she's okay with that.

Snamyap · July 2022

TimeViewer wrote: »

All over the maps I'm seeing a sharp increase in an already bad problem, trashy players who cherry pick loot from chests, thieves troves, and safeboxes leaving behind the junk items and preventing the respawn of said container.

Shame your god of hard work can't see fit to punish the ones who trash the world for others

I don't leave stuff myself but thank ZOS for the very limited inventory space, especially without ESO+.

colossalvoids · July 2022

Have nothing to do with "trolls", it's also not affecting it's respawn in any manner. Thank zos for inventory management.

TimeViewer · July 2022

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

AoEnwyr wrote: »

Once opened don't the have a despawn timer? I remember a similar issue from not long after launch with people leaving worms in cloth/alchemy harvest nodes and that got sorted afaik

10 minutes from the last time someone opened it. This means if someone new comes along and opens it again, doesn't take all of its content the timer refreshes back to 10 minutes.

Another reason people may not take all of its content is Isobel and not wanting to lose rapport with her even if its a very minor amount, if you just take the gold and no objects she doesn't respond to it. Bastian I think reacts either way, but he's not as well loved so if you have Issy you can take the gold and she's okay with that.

Sorry but that's simply not true, just checked one myself someone had looted the safebox inside the enchanters in Davon's Watch, I did my writs, looting, and banking well over your 10 min mark and it never despawned still says steal. To me rumors like this just wind up encouraging the trolls, I've seen people make all kinds of claims over the years, oh a streamer said this or that (like streamers never lie), show me the proof. No one ever has.

francesinhalover · July 2022

TimeViewer wrote: »

All over the maps I'm seeing a sharp increase in an already bad problem, trashy players who cherry pick loot from chests, thieves troves, and safeboxes leaving behind the junk items and preventing the respawn of said container.

Shame your god of hard work can't see fit to punish the ones who trash the world for others

don't they respawn after 10 mins of someone opening them?

SeaGtGruff · July 2022

There is no magic 10-minute timer. There is a variable timer, meaning it could be 10 minutes, or it could be longer. I have personally stood beside nodes for long periods of time and watched them spawn, despawn, spawn, despawn. The timing of both the spawning and the despawning varies, although I don't know by how much they vary. It seems like nodes in starter zones spawn on a quicker cycle than nodes in other zones, so you could try watching them in a starter zone. If you're worried about someone coming along and taking the node that you're watching, try it on the PTS. And be patient, because the timer is not on a fixed schedule, so you might need to wait awhile.

TimeViewer · July 2022

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

There is no magic 10-minute timer. There is a variable timer, meaning it could be 10 minutes, or it could be longer. I have personally stood beside nodes for long periods of time and watched them spawn, despawn, spawn, despawn. The timing of both the spawning and the despawning varies, although I don't know by how much they vary. It seems like nodes in starter zones spawn on a quicker cycle than nodes in other zones, so you could try watching them in a starter zone. If you're worried about someone coming along and taking the node that you're watching, try it on the PTS. And be patient, because the timer is not on a fixed schedule, so you might need to wait awhile.

Sorry just more rumor, now claiming it's VARIABLE?? Maybe the hip waders I need to wade through this guar guano should have a variable height too

Snamyap · July 2022

TimeViewer wrote: »

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

AoEnwyr wrote: »

Once opened don't the have a despawn timer? I remember a similar issue from not long after launch with people leaving worms in cloth/alchemy harvest nodes and that got sorted afaik

10 minutes from the last time someone opened it. This means if someone new comes along and opens it again, doesn't take all of its content the timer refreshes back to 10 minutes.

Another reason people may not take all of its content is Isobel and not wanting to lose rapport with her even if its a very minor amount, if you just take the gold and no objects she doesn't respond to it. Bastian I think reacts either way, but he's not as well loved so if you have Issy you can take the gold and she's okay with that.

Sorry but that's simply not true, just checked one myself someone had looted the safebox inside the enchanters in Davon's Watch, I did my writs, looting, and banking well over your 10 min mark and it never despawned still says steal. To me rumors like this just wind up encouraging the trolls, I've seen people make all kinds of claims over the years, oh a streamer said this or that (like streamers never lie), show me the proof. No one ever has.

A dev said it, and no, I don't have the link.

_Zathras_ · July 2022

I can't find any official links after a quick(ish) Google search. All the available information on respawn seems to come from the people that endorse leaving the chests partially looted.

So.. I'm going to a couple of sweet spots that I know of to conduct some research. I'll test partial loot respawn, and also see if opening that partially looted chest a couple of minutes later extends that time.

At the end of the day, just loot your chests and stop leaving your garbage behind. It's poor gaming etiquette no matter how you look at it. Don't be THAT guy.

Delgent · July 2022

colossalvoids wrote: »

Have nothing to do with "trolls", it's also not affecting it's respawn in any manner. Thank zos for inventory management.

Alright, I will.

Thank You ZOS, for the right click - Destroy option so I can easily manage my inventory. It's very easy.

tmbrinks · July 2022

I really wish people would stop perpetuating the falsehood that partially looted "containers" be them chests, troves, nodes, etc... don't despawn.

Syldras · July 2022

The only thing I sometimes leave in chests are treasure maps I can't take because I already have one in my inventory and bank (Why can't we have duplicates of them, by the way? It works fine with crafting surveys). I always assumed someone else might want them, and I have seen other players taking them after I left the chest. So - what's your opinion on that? Better leaving them so someone can take them, or destroying them (or rather destroying the one we already own and take the new one) so the chest can respawn?

biovitalb16_ESO · July 2022

Doing this should flag you for pvp regardless of what zone you are. Upon death you drop all the items and gold in your inventory.

Kiralyn2000 · July 2022

colossalvoids wrote: »

Have nothing to do with "trolls", it's also not affecting it's respawn in any manner. Thank zos for inventory management.

People who leave stuff behind in chests & nodes, knowing it will mess up other people, are trolls. Whether it's due to laziness, inconsiderateness, or maliciousness.

There's plenty of inventory space, unless you're one of those people who feels the need to carry several loadouts of gear with you everywhere.

edit: and that respawn timer should be 30-60 seconds -or at least a despawn timer. 10 minutes is an eternity, time for multiple people to get screwed over by a mostly-empty chest. Sure, don't make the chest come back any faster than the normal respawn time, but make the semi-empty one disappear quickly.

SpacemanSpiff1 · July 2022

this is hilarious

the1andonlyskwex · July 2022

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

Have nothing to do with "trolls", it's also not affecting it's respawn in any manner. Thank zos for inventory management.

People who leave stuff behind in chests & nodes, knowing it will mess up other people, are trolls. Whether it's due to laziness, inconsiderateness, or maliciousness.

There's plenty of inventory space, unless you're one of those people who feels the need to carry several loadouts of gear with you everywhere.

How about people who leave stuff behind knowing it won't mess up other people?

MaraxusTheOrc · July 2022

This thread sure delegitimizes the definition of troll. Who would have thought my disinterest in looting a green mace of stamina is a form of trolling. Seems equally selfish for you to force that loot upon me, so I hereby decree those who insist on people looting everything in a chest as trolls. Quit trolling. Troll.

Kiralyn2000 · July 2022

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

Have nothing to do with "trolls", it's also not affecting it's respawn in any manner. Thank zos for inventory management.

People who leave stuff behind in chests & nodes, knowing it will mess up other people, are trolls. Whether it's due to laziness, inconsiderateness, or maliciousness.

There's plenty of inventory space, unless you're one of those people who feels the need to carry several loadouts of gear with you everywhere.

How about people who leave stuff behind knowing it won't mess up other people?

But it does and will.

edit: 5m into today's play, already found one. And not even anything as useful as a green item I could deconstruct or sell. No, all that was in the chest was a Malachite Shard. ooh. aah. Which I looted, because I'm not an ******* .

whitecrow · July 2022

Not sure what the connection is to the event.

WinterHeart626 · July 2022

Or, you could do what I do, and clear out what’s left in the container so it despawns immediately, and hope that the next person to come along is nice and considerate just like you are. If they do the trove troll thing, well hey, you save a few seconds cracking, plus you get trash to sell to khajit, he has gold if you have wares.

SeaGtGruff · July 2022

@TimeViewer: First of all, I never said anything about a 10-minute timer; someone else did. As far as I could tell when I was observing the spawning/despawning cycle, the time interval from spawning to despawning, and then from despawning to spawning, did not appear to follow consistent and predictable lengths of time. Nevertheless, despawning does occur.

You seem to have already made up and closed your mind about this matter, but I do encourage you to take the time to actually go out and observe an untouched resource node, treasure chest, or thieves trove, and watch what happens to it. You'll need to be very patient, and you'll probably need to do it on the PTS to ensure minimal interference from other players, or at least do it in some fairly remote spot in a sparsely-populated zone.

Do that, or don't do that; it makes no difference to me. But if this issue truly does matter to you, then you owe it to yourself to find out for yourself through careful and unbiased observation.

Kiralyn2000 · July 2022

WinterHeart626 wrote: »

If they do the trove troll thing, well hey, you save a few seconds cracking...

Which is a bit annoying when I'm doing a chest run for the "pick three locks" daily Endeavor...

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TimeViewer · July 2022

whitecrow wrote: »

Not sure what the connection is to the event.

The connection is that the troves and safeboxes can also have the Zenithar coffers in them, the people who do this take those, and any good items out leaving just the trash and a container that doesn't respawn for their fellow players. [snip]

[edited for baiting]

TimeViewer · July 2022

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

@TimeViewer: First of all, I never said anything about a 10-minute timer; someone else did. As far as I could tell when I was observing the spawning/despawning cycle, the time interval from spawning to despawning, and then from despawning to spawning, did not appear to follow consistent and predictable lengths of time. Nevertheless, despawning does occur.

You seem to have already made up and closed your mind about this matter, but I do encourage you to take the time to actually go out and observe an untouched resource node, treasure chest, or thieves trove, and watch what happens to it. You'll need to be very patient, and you'll probably need to do it on the PTS to ensure minimal interference from other players, or at least do it in some fairly remote spot in a sparsely-populated zone.

Do that, or don't do that; it makes no difference to me. But if this issue truly does matter to you, then you owe it to yourself to find out for yourself through careful and unbiased observation.

All I asked for was proof which you refused to offer, I will not respond to you again