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Thanks for making Oakensoul
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iaminc✭✭✭✭TechMaybeHic wrote: »I could live with the ring only working in PvE. I would hate for it to be ruined in PvE only because it might be OP in PvP. I say "might" because I'm not convinced at this point that it is in a general sense. Werewolves have great synergies with it. Other than that, DKs still seem to rule BGs, just like they did before the chapter.
PvP is fine , a 2 bar set up will always beat 1 bar.
It’s just all the 1vxers that hide behind op classes and crutch sets that don’t like it because others whether less able or don’t have access to the sets now have something to help them.
Ok so logic question here.
If 1vxers hide behind OP Classes and crutch sets, and this set helps others to compete with that; what does that make it?
A boost. It gives those players something to compete with the end game pvp players , it’s not as powerful as a 2 bar set up on a spamplar or immortal DK but it gives at least something.0 -
TechMaybeHic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TechMaybeHic wrote: »I could live with the ring only working in PvE. I would hate for it to be ruined in PvE only because it might be OP in PvP. I say "might" because I'm not convinced at this point that it is in a general sense. Werewolves have great synergies with it. Other than that, DKs still seem to rule BGs, just like they did before the chapter.
PvP is fine , a 2 bar set up will always beat 1 bar.
It’s just all the 1vxers that hide behind op classes and crutch sets that don’t like it because others whether less able or don’t have access to the sets now have something to help them.
Ok so logic question here.
If 1vxers hide behind OP Classes and crutch sets, and this set helps others to compete with that; what does that make it?
A boost. It gives those players something to compete with the end game pvp players , it’s not as powerful as a 2 bar set up on a spamplar or immortal DK but it gives at least something.
So if it gives the other classes something, it gives so called spamplar and DKs something. I mean really; DK it gives more than something. You don't see the logic here?2 -
CaptainVenom✭✭✭✭✭
✭Unpopular opinion: Oakensoul Ring is just fine. Trading one skill bar for the buffs is fair enough, plus this ring got nerfed already.
It isn't pay2win. Yes, it helps by making it simple -- to some extent -- but a skilled player will almost always win over a just well equipped one.🌈 Ride with Pride🌈
Magicka/Damage Sorcerer - PC - NA - DC11 -
iaminc✭✭✭✭TechMaybeHic wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »I could live with the ring only working in PvE. I would hate for it to be ruined in PvE only because it might be OP in PvP. I say "might" because I'm not convinced at this point that it is in a general sense. Werewolves have great synergies with it. Other than that, DKs still seem to rule BGs, just like they did before the chapter.
PvP is fine , a 2 bar set up will always beat 1 bar.
It’s just all the 1vxers that hide behind op classes and crutch sets that don’t like it because others whether less able or don’t have access to the sets now have something to help them.
Ok so logic question here.
If 1vxers hide behind OP Classes and crutch sets, and this set helps others to compete with that; what does that make it?
A boost. It gives those players something to compete with the end game pvp players , it’s not as powerful as a 2 bar set up on a spamplar or immortal DK but it gives at least something.
So if it gives the other classes something, it gives so called spamplar and DKs something. I mean really; DK it gives more than something. You don't see the logic here?
A 2 bar build will out preform a 1 bar build period.
If you run a pvp DK with oakensoul instead of a 2 bar you won’t be anywhere near as effective thus negating your opinion the ring is OP , standard PvP builds will still absolutely wreck anyone using the ring.
I don’t think you are understanding that the ring is just a small buff for solo players that allows them to compete a little and not a mega OP must have item that’s ruining PvP.5 -
TechMaybeHic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TechMaybeHic wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »I could live with the ring only working in PvE. I would hate for it to be ruined in PvE only because it might be OP in PvP. I say "might" because I'm not convinced at this point that it is in a general sense. Werewolves have great synergies with it. Other than that, DKs still seem to rule BGs, just like they did before the chapter.
PvP is fine , a 2 bar set up will always beat 1 bar.
It’s just all the 1vxers that hide behind op classes and crutch sets that don’t like it because others whether less able or don’t have access to the sets now have something to help them.
Ok so logic question here.
If 1vxers hide behind OP Classes and crutch sets, and this set helps others to compete with that; what does that make it?
A boost. It gives those players something to compete with the end game pvp players , it’s not as powerful as a 2 bar set up on a spamplar or immortal DK but it gives at least something.
So if it gives the other classes something, it gives so called spamplar and DKs something. I mean really; DK it gives more than something. You don't see the logic here?
A 2 bar build will out preform a 1 bar build period.
If you run a pvp DK with oakensoul instead of a 2 bar you won’t be anywhere near as effective thus negating your opinion the ring is OP , standard PvP builds will still absolutely wreck anyone using the ring.
I don’t think you are understanding that the ring is just a small buff for solo players that allows them to compete a little and not a mega OP must have item that’s ruining PvP.
See that's hyperbole you are using and it doesn't address the flawed logic of how does the ring help against unbalanced classes on 1vx characters if they can use it themselves? If they can do better with 2 bars (disagree as I have both versions on my builds) then how does it help the little guy? If it helps the little guy, how does it not help the Xer?Edited by TechMaybeHic on June 27, 2022 1:55PM1 -
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✭Tanis-Stormbinder wrote: »If and when a nerf comes it should be for PVP players only. I personally don't use the ring but it has its place among less capable players in PVE.
Id like to see everything rebalanced so there is no seperaton between pve and pve... skills and gear should work exactly the same way everywhere always imo!
I'd say that dream faded away like Elusive Mist...0 -
Surak73✭✭✭✭The real buff of Oakensoul is "You are no more affected by swap-bar delay", which accounts by itself for a good 60% of your deaths in Laggodiil...6 -
Bealeb319✭✭✭✭EdmondDontes wrote: »Oakensoul is for players that think buying the latest expansion should put their playing strength on equal par with those who have spent years learning to optimize their rotations and play style.
Oakensoul is pay to win.
It is not even close to that. It simplifies the game a bit and closes the gap between players but anyone who is good with a rotation is going to blow these people away. The benefits of the two bar is it allows you to equip a monster set while maintaining two five item sets, more skills for dpsing. The oakensoul gives you the buffs a good player would get as part of their rotation while restricting you to one bar and likely no monster set or arena weapon. And in group / trials it is basically useless since you would have been buffed by other players and now can't swap bars.4 -
EdmondDontes✭✭✭✭✭
✭EdmondDontes wrote: »Oakensoul is for players that think buying the latest expansion should put their playing strength on equal par with those who have spent years learning to optimize their rotations and play style.
Oakensoul is pay to win.
It is not even close to that. It simplifies the game a bit and closes the gap between players but anyone who is good with a rotation is going to blow these people away. The benefits of the two bar is it allows you to equip a monster set while maintaining two five item sets, more skills for dpsing. The oakensoul gives you the buffs a good player would get as part of their rotation while restricting you to one bar and likely no monster set or arena weapon. And in group / trials it is basically useless since you would have been buffed by other players and now can't swap bars.
Not true. Oakensoul is a shameless pay to win item created to sell High Isle. People who don't buy High Isle can no longer compete as effectively with those who do make the purchase.
Monster sets aren't effected by Oakensoul. Oakensoul gives MANY more buffs than a single player can put on their back bar as well. People are just going out of the way to justify their new crutch that makes them more competitive with seasoned players who have worked years to get good at the game. It's another item designed to help the casual players and totally hoses the PvP players who don't buy High Isle just to get the one mythic item.Edited by EdmondDontes on June 27, 2022 4:38PM5 -
Gorilla✭✭✭EdmondDontes wrote: »Oakensoul is for players that think buying the latest expansion should put their playing strength on equal par with those who have spent years learning to optimize their rotations and play style.
Oakensoul is pay to win.
The ring is an equalizer and is making the game more competitive in PVP. Some people would prefer to cry. Good PVPers will make themselves better.
It's about as P2W as Malacath's was...Oh, remember that one that every PVPer used?
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EdmondDontes✭✭✭✭✭
✭TechMaybeHic wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »I could live with the ring only working in PvE. I would hate for it to be ruined in PvE only because it might be OP in PvP. I say "might" because I'm not convinced at this point that it is in a general sense. Werewolves have great synergies with it. Other than that, DKs still seem to rule BGs, just like they did before the chapter.
PvP is fine , a 2 bar set up will always beat 1 bar.
It’s just all the 1vxers that hide behind op classes and crutch sets that don’t like it because others whether less able or don’t have access to the sets now have something to help them.
Ok so logic question here.
If 1vxers hide behind OP Classes and crutch sets, and this set helps others to compete with that; what does that make it?
A boost. It gives those players something to compete with the end game pvp players , it’s not as powerful as a 2 bar set up on a spamplar or immortal DK but it gives at least something.
So if it gives the other classes something, it gives so called spamplar and DKs something. I mean really; DK it gives more than something. You don't see the logic here?
A 2 bar build will out preform a 1 bar build period.
If you run a pvp DK with oakensoul instead of a 2 bar you won’t be anywhere near as effective thus negating your opinion the ring is OP , standard PvP builds will still absolutely wreck anyone using the ring.
I don’t think you are understanding that the ring is just a small buff for solo players that allows them to compete a little and not a mega OP must have item that’s ruining PvP.
It's impossible to make the claim that Oakensoul is "a small buff" when you look at all the buffs it gives.
It's very clear that most of the people defending this totally OP and totally out of balance item do not PvP and have not put the time in to optimize their rotations and play styles.1 -
EdmondDontes✭✭✭✭✭
✭TechMaybeHic wrote: »I could live with the ring only working in PvE. I would hate for it to be ruined in PvE only because it might be OP in PvP. I say "might" because I'm not convinced at this point that it is in a general sense. Werewolves have great synergies with it. Other than that, DKs still seem to rule BGs, just like they did before the chapter.
PvP is fine , a 2 bar set up will always beat 1 bar.
It’s just all the 1vxers that hide behind op classes and crutch sets that don’t like it because others whether less able or don’t have access to the sets now have something to help them.
Ok so logic question here.
If 1vxers hide behind OP Classes and crutch sets, and this set helps others to compete with that; what does that make it?
A boost. It gives those players something to compete with the end game pvp players , it’s not as powerful as a 2 bar set up on a spamplar or immortal DK but it gives at least something.
True. Oakensoul is MORE powerful than most two bar builds...more powerful than MOST two bar builds all by itself. That's how unreasonably OP it is.2 -
HelixUnited✭✭✭EdmondDontes wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »I could live with the ring only working in PvE. I would hate for it to be ruined in PvE only because it might be OP in PvP. I say "might" because I'm not convinced at this point that it is in a general sense. Werewolves have great synergies with it. Other than that, DKs still seem to rule BGs, just like they did before the chapter.
PvP is fine , a 2 bar set up will always beat 1 bar.
It’s just all the 1vxers that hide behind op classes and crutch sets that don’t like it because others whether less able or don’t have access to the sets now have something to help them.
Ok so logic question here.
If 1vxers hide behind OP Classes and crutch sets, and this set helps others to compete with that; what does that make it?
A boost. It gives those players something to compete with the end game pvp players , it’s not as powerful as a 2 bar set up on a spamplar or immortal DK but it gives at least something.
So if it gives the other classes something, it gives so called spamplar and DKs something. I mean really; DK it gives more than something. You don't see the logic here?
A 2 bar build will out preform a 1 bar build period.
If you run a pvp DK with oakensoul instead of a 2 bar you won’t be anywhere near as effective thus negating your opinion the ring is OP , standard PvP builds will still absolutely wreck anyone using the ring.
I don’t think you are understanding that the ring is just a small buff for solo players that allows them to compete a little and not a mega OP must have item that’s ruining PvP.
It's impossible to make the claim that Oakensoul is "a small buff" when you look at all the buffs it gives.
It's very clear that most of the people defending this totally OP and totally out of balance item do not PvP and have not put the time in to optimize their rotations and play styles.
Then nerf it for pvp alone and leave pve buff as it is, make it so its affected by battle spirit problem solved3 -
EdmondDontes✭✭✭✭✭
✭HelixUnited wrote: »EdmondDontes wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »I could live with the ring only working in PvE. I would hate for it to be ruined in PvE only because it might be OP in PvP. I say "might" because I'm not convinced at this point that it is in a general sense. Werewolves have great synergies with it. Other than that, DKs still seem to rule BGs, just like they did before the chapter.
PvP is fine , a 2 bar set up will always beat 1 bar.
It’s just all the 1vxers that hide behind op classes and crutch sets that don’t like it because others whether less able or don’t have access to the sets now have something to help them.
Ok so logic question here.
If 1vxers hide behind OP Classes and crutch sets, and this set helps others to compete with that; what does that make it?
A boost. It gives those players something to compete with the end game pvp players , it’s not as powerful as a 2 bar set up on a spamplar or immortal DK but it gives at least something.
So if it gives the other classes something, it gives so called spamplar and DKs something. I mean really; DK it gives more than something. You don't see the logic here?
A 2 bar build will out preform a 1 bar build period.
If you run a pvp DK with oakensoul instead of a 2 bar you won’t be anywhere near as effective thus negating your opinion the ring is OP , standard PvP builds will still absolutely wreck anyone using the ring.
I don’t think you are understanding that the ring is just a small buff for solo players that allows them to compete a little and not a mega OP must have item that’s ruining PvP.
It's impossible to make the claim that Oakensoul is "a small buff" when you look at all the buffs it gives.
It's very clear that most of the people defending this totally OP and totally out of balance item do not PvP and have not put the time in to optimize their rotations and play styles.
Then nerf it for pvp alone and leave pve buff as it is, make it so its affected by battle spirit problem solved
You know ZOS won't do that, so your suggestion isn't a solution to the problem.2 -
sharquez✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sips detect pot
Where in PVP is this op again?
Can we get something that isn't parrot speak?6 -
HelixUnited✭✭✭EdmondDontes wrote: »HelixUnited wrote: »EdmondDontes wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »I could live with the ring only working in PvE. I would hate for it to be ruined in PvE only because it might be OP in PvP. I say "might" because I'm not convinced at this point that it is in a general sense. Werewolves have great synergies with it. Other than that, DKs still seem to rule BGs, just like they did before the chapter.
PvP is fine , a 2 bar set up will always beat 1 bar.
It’s just all the 1vxers that hide behind op classes and crutch sets that don’t like it because others whether less able or don’t have access to the sets now have something to help them.
Ok so logic question here.
If 1vxers hide behind OP Classes and crutch sets, and this set helps others to compete with that; what does that make it?
A boost. It gives those players something to compete with the end game pvp players , it’s not as powerful as a 2 bar set up on a spamplar or immortal DK but it gives at least something.
So if it gives the other classes something, it gives so called spamplar and DKs something. I mean really; DK it gives more than something. You don't see the logic here?
A 2 bar build will out preform a 1 bar build period.
If you run a pvp DK with oakensoul instead of a 2 bar you won’t be anywhere near as effective thus negating your opinion the ring is OP , standard PvP builds will still absolutely wreck anyone using the ring.
I don’t think you are understanding that the ring is just a small buff for solo players that allows them to compete a little and not a mega OP must have item that’s ruining PvP.
It's impossible to make the claim that Oakensoul is "a small buff" when you look at all the buffs it gives.
It's very clear that most of the people defending this totally OP and totally out of balance item do not PvP and have not put the time in to optimize their rotations and play styles.
Then nerf it for pvp alone and leave pve buff as it is, make it so its affected by battle spirit problem solved
You know ZOS won't do that, so your suggestion isn't a solution to the problem.
oh we all know that now, they wont ever balance them apart, but it would solve the problem
i havent been in pvp in a long time due to this fact but is it really that strong since its locked them on one bar, but either way it shouldnt be nerfed in a PVE play cant say about pvp as havent played that in a long time.1 -
ghost_bg_ESO✭✭✭✭it is a nice addition for people that already playing one bar builds.
i was really exited seen so much buffs. took my time grinding leads...
well, now i have ring that probably won't use
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one bar - healing, shield and only 3 offensive skills... kind of prefer my two bars.Edited by ghost_bg_ESO on June 27, 2022 5:33PM0 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TechMaybeHic wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »I could live with the ring only working in PvE. I would hate for it to be ruined in PvE only because it might be OP in PvP. I say "might" because I'm not convinced at this point that it is in a general sense. Werewolves have great synergies with it. Other than that, DKs still seem to rule BGs, just like they did before the chapter.
PvP is fine , a 2 bar set up will always beat 1 bar.
It’s just all the 1vxers that hide behind op classes and crutch sets that don’t like it because others whether less able or don’t have access to the sets now have something to help them.
Ok so logic question here.
If 1vxers hide behind OP Classes and crutch sets, and this set helps others to compete with that; what does that make it?
A boost. It gives those players something to compete with the end game pvp players , it’s not as powerful as a 2 bar set up on a spamplar or immortal DK but it gives at least something.
So if it gives the other classes something, it gives so called spamplar and DKs something. I mean really; DK it gives more than something. You don't see the logic here?
A 2 bar build will out preform a 1 bar build period.
If you run a pvp DK with oakensoul instead of a 2 bar you won’t be anywhere near as effective thus negating your opinion the ring is OP , standard PvP builds will still absolutely wreck anyone using the ring.
I don’t think you are understanding that the ring is just a small buff for solo players that allows them to compete a little and not a mega OP must have item that’s ruining PvP.
See that's hyperbole you are using and it doesn't address the flawed logic of how does the ring help against unbalanced classes on 1vx characters if they can use it themselves? If they can do better with 2 bars (disagree as I have both versions on my builds) then how does it help the little guy? If it helps the little guy, how does it not help the Xer?
Because the Xer can stack twice as many DOTs on you, stack more status effects on you, and damage you while certain skills are on cooldown as well as synergize their heals and buffs to fit their build. They can also have twice as many ultimate choices than the one bar build. Plus they get an extra gear set to work with, as well as being able to swap weapon types on demand. And just maybe they don't want to run something like, say, Major Resolve that will make them take more damage from Hrothgar's, for example.
The ring is great for people who can't / won't bar swap or can't run an efficient rotation for whatever reason. But it will never outperform a meta two bar build.
Edited by Jaraal on June 27, 2022 5:46PM4 -
iaminc✭✭✭✭EdmondDontes wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »I could live with the ring only working in PvE. I would hate for it to be ruined in PvE only because it might be OP in PvP. I say "might" because I'm not convinced at this point that it is in a general sense. Werewolves have great synergies with it. Other than that, DKs still seem to rule BGs, just like they did before the chapter.
PvP is fine , a 2 bar set up will always beat 1 bar.
It’s just all the 1vxers that hide behind op classes and crutch sets that don’t like it because others whether less able or don’t have access to the sets now have something to help them.
Ok so logic question here.
If 1vxers hide behind OP Classes and crutch sets, and this set helps others to compete with that; what does that make it?
A boost. It gives those players something to compete with the end game pvp players , it’s not as powerful as a 2 bar set up on a spamplar or immortal DK but it gives at least something.
True. Oakensoul is MORE powerful than most two bar builds...more powerful than MOST two bar builds all by itself. That's how unreasonably OP it is.
Are you serious , if you are running a two bar build that is being out preformed by an oakensoul build then maybe you should rethink how you are set up.
Edited by iaminc on June 27, 2022 6:07PM6 -
EdmondDontes✭✭✭✭✭
✭EdmondDontes wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »I could live with the ring only working in PvE. I would hate for it to be ruined in PvE only because it might be OP in PvP. I say "might" because I'm not convinced at this point that it is in a general sense. Werewolves have great synergies with it. Other than that, DKs still seem to rule BGs, just like they did before the chapter.
PvP is fine , a 2 bar set up will always beat 1 bar.
It’s just all the 1vxers that hide behind op classes and crutch sets that don’t like it because others whether less able or don’t have access to the sets now have something to help them.
Ok so logic question here.
If 1vxers hide behind OP Classes and crutch sets, and this set helps others to compete with that; what does that make it?
A boost. It gives those players something to compete with the end game pvp players , it’s not as powerful as a 2 bar set up on a spamplar or immortal DK but it gives at least something.
True. Oakensoul is MORE powerful than most two bar builds...more powerful than MOST two bar builds all by itself. That's how unreasonably OP it is.
Are you serious , if you are running a two bar build that is being out preformed by an oakensoul build then maybe you should rethink how you are set up.
I'm totally serious. Even Deltia says it's stronger than most two bar builds for EXPERIENCED players. Not just stronger for the casuals that can't help but defend the item, but for EXPERIENCED players as well. Oakensoul is ridiculously OP in every situation. It was created to sell High Isle. It's pay to win.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrkvlF5mecg
Most of us have spent years learning our rotations and play style to be competitive. Now all anyone has to do to be competitive is buy the new chapter and obtain one mythic item. That is the definition of pay to win.
Edited by EdmondDontes on June 27, 2022 6:57PM3 -
langewapper✭✭✭EdmondDontes wrote: »
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True. Oakensoul is MORE powerful than most two bar builds...more powerful than MOST two bar builds all by itself. That's how unreasonably OP it is.
if you are so good with your ''perfect rotations'' then use oakensoul 1 bar and make a ''perfect rotation on 1 bar''
then you will be the king of PVP because most of the other players even dont use rotations (impossible by lag)
on they 1 bar oakensoul build
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✭✭✭I finally learned of what it does and it is of great interest to me, but the trouble many are having finding it looks bad.
I also suspect it will get nerfed too much and thus become not worthwhile.PC
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TaSheen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »I finally learned of what it does and it is of great interest to me, but the trouble many are having finding it looks bad.
I also suspect it will get nerfed too much and thus become not worthwhile.
It probably will get nerfed some (mythics generally do) - but it will still be better than a two bar build I can't use due to massive ping and poor reflexes.______________________________________________________
"But even in books, the heroes make mistakes, and there isn't always a happy ending." Mercedes Lackey, Into the West
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