AdamLAD wrote: »

I seriously don't like it. The gap between a good player and terrible player is getting smaller and smaller. Everything is being HANDED to them. How about zenimax introduces a mythic item that plays the game for you. The games actually so casual now. Its so boring. No sense of achievement in doing literally anything when these things exist. Theres nothing competitive about this game anymore. Such a shame from what it used to be.

No it's not getting smaller. This ring isn't autoplay. Yes, it's strong (really strong in some case), but you need to know how to use it first, and a good 2 bar player will always outperform a 1 bar player.

The main issue with this item is that it's BIS for dealing dmg (in PvP). The build might be worse overall but linking so much damage to one item is broken, major force and major berserc need to go (and heroism as well tbh). Especially since it's mostly used by ranged and gank builds which can choose the fights and then can just dps parse you down from a mile away (or from stealth). I got hit by a 15k Incap from stealth (while already having to deal with 3 other people) on a build with over 3k critres. That's just lol tbh.

There's absolutely no reason why double bar builds should have less damage than onebar builds. Even thinking about that doesn't make any sense.

I have no issues with giving onebar builds some love, just don't give them more damage than regular builds. ZOS doesn't design the game around casuals, they design the game around the absolute bottom 1%. The gearing in this game is already as casual friendly as it can get (compared with every other MMO including WoW) which is also fine but they should at least allow the game a proper skill ceiling and encourage people to get better at it.

Dragonlord573 wrote: »

Oh boy, gotta love the PvP community hating something designed for casual PvE players which will then get nerfed into being so useless not even casual PvE players will use it.

The problem is the assumption that casual PVE players are some siloed part of the game, and that things done to make their lives easier don't have cascading effects on the rest of the game. Whether this helps out a casual player or not has zero bearing on the over-effectiveness of the item in other content. Not to mention, PVE damage issues and changes have done more than their share of balance impact on PVP content.

Dragonlord573 wrote: »

Oh boy, gotta love the PvP community hating something designed for casual PvE players which will then get nerfed into being so useless not even casual PvE players will use it.

Oh boy Zenimax releasing an expansion with zero PVP content, drops a super overpowered item in it to still have the PVP competitive players forced to buy the expansion. It changes the gameplay completely from managing buffs and timing dmg to just keep pounding your enemy or instant kill ganks and the PVP community is not allowed to object to this and criticize. Is that what you think?

If zenimax wanted to help the casual players they can easily do it in a way to not impact PVP in such a impactful way. That they said its for casual pve gamers and then radically change the item before release out of nowhere giving it every buff they could find and you believe its not to let many people buy this worthless expansion, then yeah you have not been thought critical thinking.

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Dragonlord573 wrote: »

Oh boy, gotta love the PvP community hating something designed for casual PvE players which will then get nerfed into being so useless not even casual PvE players will use it.

Let's blame pvpers for ZOS not balancing PvP and PvE seperately.

It's almost always PvP players complaining about items being to strong so they get nerfed to death and nobody uses them ever again. We PvE players have to deal with constant changes in meta and more every single update so why can't PvP players just accept a change to their comfort zone? Because players who are "not worth it because their gameplay isn't perfect" suddenly can compete with those who think they're the "creme de la creme"? It would be nice to see ZOS only once NOT changing a nice PvE item because of PvP complains.

Kisakee wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Dragonlord573 wrote: »

Oh boy, gotta love the PvP community hating something designed for casual PvE players which will then get nerfed into being so useless not even casual PvE players will use it.

Let's blame pvpers for ZOS not balancing PvP and PvE seperately.

It's almost always PvP players complaining about items being to strong so they get nerfed to death and nobody uses them ever again. We PvE players have to deal with constant changes in meta and more every single update so why can't PvP players just accept a change to their comfort zone? Because players who are "not worth it because their gameplay isn't perfect" suddenly can compete with those who think they're the "creme de la creme"? It would be nice to see ZOS only once NOT changing a nice PvE item because of PvP complains.

The problem with going off of "complaining" as a metric for justified nerfs is that PVE mobs and bosses literally cannot complain. So yeah, of course PVP players are the vocal aspects of the community when it comes to pointing out overpowered items. But that doesn't mean that those items don't rightfully need to be nerfed.

There are tons of examples of PVE use items being nerfed due to PVE problems or skills nerfed, that impacted PVP gameplay negatively. The crit damage cap is a perfect example of this. And there are also plenty of instances where things were clearly overpowered and then nerfed that didn't impact PVP and vice versa for PVE.

The issue is, only attributing the vocality behind a nerf to the reason for the nerf is disingenuous. For example, a Mythic that allowed you to deal 50K damage with a light attack would be super strong, and would really help out the disadvantaged PVE players. But, any reasonable person would look at it and know it is overpowered. But who is actually going to complain about it? Rahkat, the PVE boss, or the PVP player who has to actually fight against it. Just because something helps, or is good for PVE, doesn't mean it isn't too strong. Just because only PVP players are actually calling out when something is too strong, doesn't mean PVP players are the problem.

More fittingly, PVE players who recognize the strength of an item, and don't call it out, are the problem. You don't want something nerfed due to PVP complaints, work to address the problem with the item before PVP players have a chance to use it.

But what do we get on PTS? A bunch of PVE players saying Oakensoul is fine, no one will use it who isn't a casual, it won't be strong, etc, etc. And what doe PVP players say? No, you are wrong, it will be incredibly abused. And then surprise surprise, that is exactly what is happening.

jaws343 wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

It's almost always PvP players complaining about items being to strong so they get nerfed to death and nobody uses them ever again. We PvE players have to deal with constant changes in meta and more every single update so why can't PvP players just accept a change to their comfort zone? Because players who are "not worth it because their gameplay isn't perfect" suddenly can compete with those who think they're the "creme de la creme"? It would be nice to see ZOS only once NOT changing a nice PvE item because of PvP complains.

The problem with going off of "complaining" as a metric for justified nerfs is that PVE mobs and bosses literally cannot complain. So yeah, of course PVP players are the vocal aspects of the community when it comes to pointing out overpowered items. But that doesn't mean that those items don't rightfully need to be nerfed.

There are tons of examples of PVE use items being nerfed due to PVE problems or skills nerfed, that impacted PVP gameplay negatively. The crit damage cap is a perfect example of this. And there are also plenty of instances where things were clearly overpowered and then nerfed that didn't impact PVP and vice versa for PVE.

The issue is, only attributing the vocality behind a nerf to the reason for the nerf is disingenuous. For example, a Mythic that allowed you to deal 50K damage with a light attack would be super strong, and would really help out the disadvantaged PVE players. But, any reasonable person would look at it and know it is overpowered. But who is actually going to complain about it? Rahkat, the PVE boss, or the PVP player who has to actually fight against it. Just because something helps, or is good for PVE, doesn't mean it isn't too strong. Just because only PVP players are actually calling out when something is too strong, doesn't mean PVP players are the problem.

More fittingly, PVE players who recognize the strength of an item, and don't call it out, are the problem. You don't want something nerfed due to PVP complaints, work to address the problem with the item before PVP players have a chance to use it.

But what do we get on PTS? A bunch of PVE players saying Oakensoul is fine, no one will use it who isn't a casual, it won't be strong, etc, etc. And what doe PVP players say? No, you are wrong, it will be incredibly abused. And then surprise surprise, that is exactly what is happening.

You call it "abuse", i called it a new situation you have to deal with but instead of adapting and changing their playstyle people just start complaining to the point where the item(s) in question get nerfed. PvP players only want their reality to happen so they mourn about everything that changes things in a way they dislike and call it "the end of PvP". Till today i can't remember a single occasion where ZOS actually said "Shut up and deal with it, we will keep it the way it is because PvE people like it.".

There's no issue with it existing in PVE. A player running 2 bars in an organized group will always perform better. It's nice they made something for people who struggle in PVE, it doesn't hurt anyone if they use it there.

The issue becomes when it's used in PVP. Something that's designed to level the playing feild will be abused by players who know what they're doing, and that ruins the game for other people. The intent might have been to make less skilled players in PVP have a chance but in reality all it did was make it even harder for a casual PVP'er since they stand even less of a chance now.

This discussion should not be about "PVP'ers ruining my PVE stuff," it should be about how ZOS refuses to balance PVE and PVP separately.

PTS feedback was ignored and here we are. So many people with their foot in their mouths now after saying it wouldn't be used in PVP effectively. Anyone who understands how PVP works will tell you that having 100% uptime on Major Herosim, Major Force, and Major Berserk is asking for something to be OP. Not to mention the fact you do not have to cast buffs on yourself, which helps with sustain and offensive pressure.

If ZOS wants to make everyone happy they should just disable it in PVP. They have the ability to do so, it's not out of their reach. This way PVP players are happy and PVE players get to keep it.

AdamLAD wrote: »

Do u honestly think any other gaming companies would introduce such an item to a PvP environment? Absolutely not a chance.

Yeah, Fromsoftware did with Elden Ring with its plethora of OP weapons and spells, and guess what? Most people adapt and improve instead of demand nerfs.

I don't like put the new mythic for patching up game design flaw.

Especially, for the fake tank problem or balance problem of PVP.
ZOS must fix fundamental problem of game system flaw before doing
cheap patch like the "new mythic item".

I usually disagree with ppl that play mostly pvp but that’s mainly because I don’t do it and everyone defends their play style but I have to say this mythic is a joke. It will be nerfed no doubt because it’s just there to sell the chapter and everyone that defends the mythic by saying that effective 2 bar builds still outperform then why are you not outperforming it with 2 bar build? Exactly. It’s made for easy casual mode. You shouldn’t want this if your are a endgame pve’er. Now I understand why casual players like it but just like everything else it will be abused.

Oakensoul Ring is great. I always detested switching those stupid bars, especially because they lag and you cant switch immediately cast skill, switch back, because skill would not cast so you have to switch back press the buff/debuff 10 times before it actually triggers, then switch back again, stupid mechanics to begin with. So Im very happy with this ring, even tho it made Ring of the Pale Order obsolete for templars, as the damage output with jabs while using this ring heals much faster than % with PO. For all the whining PvPers I can just suggest - Cant beat them, join them.

jaws343 wrote: »

Dragonlord573 wrote: »

Oh boy, gotta love the PvP community hating something designed for casual PvE players which will then get nerfed into being so useless not even casual PvE players will use it.

The problem is the assumption that casual PVE players are some siloed part of the game, and that things done to make their lives easier don't have cascading effects on the rest of the game. Whether this helps out a casual player or not has zero bearing on the over-effectiveness of the item in other content. Not to mention, PVE damage issues and changes have done more than their share of balance impact on PVP content.

Sure, sorry to assume that they exist. But no, only You and the other perfect players are part of the game. Anyone with a slightly lesser performance is a scummy leecher.
There is just too much envy and hatred around here..
The ring will Not make you do all the needed mechanics, you can still have horrible deaths with it. So what's the problem. You quit if others got something?