IMHO Drake Rush is better. It has clear 100% trigger, it doesn't force you to invest in crit and most important works for your allies to. And when you do the math:

Assuming that you'll get the proc on cool down with Eye of the grasp per minute you will get of it max 84 additional ultimate.

Now Drake's Rush can proc 3 times per minute and fourth proc will last 6s. This gives us... 84 ultimate per minute but it works for you and 3 group members, also have 100% trigger that works even when you kite, you're defensive etc. etc.

In pve as a dps, it's not great. The ulti gen doesn't make for other sets that improve spell damage, crit, or even proc sets. In pvp as a magsorc tho, I love it. Sorcs don't have innate ulti gen, so it helps with getting Negate up.

For a pve tank, which I assume you're talking about, there's better sets. Drake's Rush, Arkasis, Baron Zaudrus, etc.

Mayrael wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

Initial impression: sounds like hot garbage. I think the Baron Zaudrus monster set would work better if you want ultimate generation.

Baron would have to proc every <2,8s (cool down including) to give better ultimate generation, which is pretty hard to achieve. Also you have no control over it. The only advantage of this set I can think of is it being 2pc only.

I run Baron on a DK tank and Warden tank, and it works pretty well. I'm confused by your post saying you have no control over it. As a tank, I have a lot of control over applying status effects. Its cooldown is 1 second plus the application of the status effect. I can easily do that under 5 seconds.. Plus, its a 2 piece set with a tristat buff.

I agree that Eye could be a decent 2 piece set. The issue for me is that 5 second cooldown. in 15 seconds, you are limited to 21 ultimate. I feel I am getting more with Baron in that time, though I confess I have not tested it. But I can say with Baron on a tank, ultis generate very fast

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

In pve as a dps, it's not great. The ulti gen doesn't make for other sets that improve spell damage, crit, or even proc sets. In pvp as a magsorc tho, I love it. Sorcs don't have innate ulti gen, so it helps with getting Negate up.

For a pve tank, which I assume you're talking about, there's better sets. Drake's Rush, Arkasis, Baron Zaudrus, etc.

PVE DPS is what I had in mind, more specifically in a Magicka Templar with Master Architect on body. That's why I was looking into front-barring Eye of the Grasp as, together with the prism passive, would get me some really good ulti gen and Major Slayer uptime for me and our 4 player group.

Its a bit late to responce, but well... Drake rush is stamina set good for tanks. Topic starter looking for Architector combo, which is mage set. Maybe Drake rush could work better with war machine. Now abaout mage.

I didn't noticed eye of the grasp untill this day, but now i did and want to try it also with Architector. So if idea is to maximize your ulti gain, it is way, when you use all sources in same time (this is a hint to use divine trait also). 7 ultimate in 5 second counts pretty same as if you have minor heroism on you, except u can add it too. Minor heroism available from pots (it is time/gold expensive, bc u need dragon rheum). You can also stack it with baron zaudrus+concentrated force combo.

Without eye of the grasp i had 20/30 seconds major slayer uptime on my DK, using catalyst as second set< it works good with concentrated force. Catalyst debuff is good too, but if you looking for MORE ultimate (which i want to try anyway), eye of the grasp will add something definitelly. Meteor ultimate will give you some points back too. One thing behind is that templar doesn't benefit from ultimate spam same as DK does. If u want to try such things, imo DK is better, because you will get a lot of sustain in this way.

p.s. But you should know that usually healers provide this buff, going roaring opportunist+yorwuld. Means in optimized vet trials most likely you won't be able to get in with this sets as dd. But maybe as heal DK healers have passive that generates ultimate from healing spam skill (obsidian shard) and it also does minor damage, means you will crit with it sometimes. I din't try it, but it looks like this sets works better on dk healer rather on dd.

Vaoh wrote: »

Eye of the Grasp is a “I only exist so this zone has three sets” type of set.

It is bad. And as mentioned before, if the goal is effective Ult Gen, you’re much better off using Drake’s Rush.

My only advise is definitely do not waste gold mats on it.

If it was going to be an actual Ult Gen DPS set, the 5-piece would have needed to be something like “10% chance on dealing critical damage to grant 1 Ultimate” with no cooldown.

Well, its not ult dps set, wise bro. But it also isn't bad. Lets do some rough math: drake rush gives u 24 ultimate per 18 seconds, while eye of the grasp gives you 28 per 20 seconds. I don't want to calculate but i think they are pretty similiar in ultimate gain (for 1 person ofc). Now lets think about fact that EoG is light armor set for mana based characters, while drake rush is heavy set with stamina and hp bonuses. In what universe is it "better"? They are completely diferent. And one more thing that you should notice is that EoG gives unique source of ultimate points, while drake rush doesn't. So if someone else (like some tank) will use drake rush, they will stack for EoG user. EoG stacks with any source of ult points, while major heroism buff isn't unique and could overlap with some other sources. But generally advantage of EoG is, as i said, it works with everything. Now if your goal is to cast ultimate as much as possible, it becomes one of the best set in game. If your goal is to see numbers-numbers-numbers its not. Drake rush could work too, but if mana character will wear it, it will be just throw away of everything except one set bonus. It also can be used as backbar set, while EoG is more like main bar one.

Mayrael wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

Initial impression: sounds like hot garbage. I think the Baron Zaudrus monster set would work better if you want ultimate generation.

Baron would have to proc every <2,8s (cool down including) to give better ultimate generation, which is pretty hard to achieve. Also you have no control over it. The only advantage of this set I can think of is it being 2pc only.

Combine it with Frozen watcher + charged trait and you get a 100% uptime on AOE brittle, immobilize on ice wall cast while you have a 100% uptime on baron for just blocking



Add on top Pillagers protfit on backbar and its one mass ult generator you have (62.5 ult total per 250 ult cast)



Though thats more a tank oriented build

Mayrael wrote: »

The math behind Baron. It generates 4 ultimates. So in 60s span you would need 21 procs to get 84 ultimates out of it per minute. 60s/21procs=2,86proc/s to reach that amount of procs. Now you need to take into consideration 1s of cool down which gives us 1,86s to apply status effects 3 times. It is possible in AoE situations, heavy dot builds etc. etc. but is not as straight forward as " just use bash". On top of it using Drake's Rush generates total 336 ultimates per 60s when you take into consideration group situation.

Charged crushing shock, or Asylum destro to eleiminate RNG altogether and proc baron on CD.