Twitch drop event backfires on ZoS - will never buy a crate again

HerrKeinTipp_MrNoTip · June 2022

If you genii wanted to sell more crowns/crown crates, you'd have [snip] weighted the free twitch drops to give some decent rewards. Why would I spend, what...$10...$20 AUD on a crate that gives me this?

The last free crates were the same. The crates I bought have rarely been better. I get RNGs and stuff, but [snip] you'd think they would learn to actually [snip] make the free drops look awesome?

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proprio.meb16_ESO · June 2022

never found anything more than that in free crates, except a pet once... i completely agree they have the opposite effect they probably should have (i.e. making me want to buy crates).

Never bought a crate with crowns, and neither i plan to...

spartaxoxo · June 2022

The twitch promo crates aren't real crates. They are special promo crates that are mostly supposed to give you those low tier rewards. But there is a very rare chance they'll have a pet or mount.

jaws343 · June 2022

It's been pretty common knowledge since they started doing them that the free Ouroboros crates are just marketing crates, not much of real value in them. That being said, I did get an awesome looking mount on the first one I opened from the twitch drops this time around.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · June 2022

You know the Ouroboros crates only contain 1 mount and 1 pet, the rest of the items in it are things people would expect you to turn into gems.

rpa · June 2022

I admit I don't crates at all but isn't that perfectly normal result from a free twitch crate? People who bother with twitch crates do it because gems unless I'm mistaken.

barney2525 · June 2022

Thats an Ouroboros crate NOT a Crown crate.

That crate you earn for FREE just by lurking on twitch during appropriate times.

You do NOT Pay money for them. You Do however, turn the items into Gems, if you want to.

So, in essence - they are Free Money

Syldras · June 2022

There are basically 3 types of crates:
1. Free Ouroboros crates you get through Twitch -> cheap items like poisons or potions, a very small chance for a mount
2. "Normal" crown crates from the store -> everything listed in the crown shop's "crate" category, including mounts, costumes, furniture, adornments,...
3. Free "normal" crown crates given as a login reward from time to time, or when buying a new chapter -> the same as the normal crates from the store, including mounts, costumes, etc.

spartaxoxo · June 2022

Syldras wrote: »

There are basically 3 types of crates:
1. Free Ouroboros crates you get through Twitch -> cheap items like poisons or potions, a very small chance for a mount
2. "Normal" crown crates from the store -> everything listed in the crown shop's "crate" category, including mounts, costumes, furniture, adornments,...
3. Free "normal" crown crates given as a login reward from time to time, or when buying a new chapter -> the same as the normal crates from the store, including mounts, costumes, etc.

It's been a long time since we got one, but they also have released preview crates as daily rewards in the past. These only contain pets in a style that fits with the theme of the mounts of the crate it's previewing.

rootkitronin · June 2022

Yes they are Ouroboros crates - but let's be honest, there's not much of a difference between opening one of those and opening a regular Crown Crate, except maybe you get a face paint or emote, or some lame pet that you didn't want in addition to the worthless junk items.

Statistically, when opening Crown Crates, you're going to get the short end of the stick far more often than anything actually worthwhile.

I agree with OP - and every time I open an Ouroboros crates, it serves as a reminder why I don't buy Crown Crates, and how rigged the system really is.

DMuehlhausen · June 2022

spartaxoxo wrote: »

The twitch promo crates aren't real crates. They are special promo crates that are mostly supposed to give you those low tier rewards. But there is a very rare chance they'll have a pet or mount.

They are "regular" crates. I've gotten several Radiant mounts from them.

Danikat · June 2022

rootkitronin wrote: »

Yes they are Ouroboros crates - but let's be honest, there's not much of a difference between opening one of those and opening a regular Crown Crate, except maybe you get a face paint or emote, or some lame pet that you didn't want in addition to the worthless junk items.

Statistically, when opening Crown Crates, you're going to get the short end of the stick far more often than anything actually worthwhile.

I agree with OP - and every time I open an Ouroboros crates, it serves as a reminder why I don't buy Crown Crates, and how rigged the system really is.

The difference is it's completely impossible to get the vast majority of crown crate items from the ouroboros crates. Not unlikely, or rare or rigged against you - impossible - they're not in the drop table at all. Apart from the senche of scarlet regret mount and senche cub of scarlet regret pet (which are extremely rare) these crates only contain consumable items. You can see the entire list of possible drops here: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Ouroboros_Crate

It's true that you're unlikely to get anything interesting from the normal crates, and even less likely to get the specific things you want most, but it's still more likely than getting them from a crate which doesn't include them at all.

spartaxoxo · June 2022

rootkitronin wrote: »

Yes they are Ouroboros crates - but let's be honest, there's not much of a difference between opening one of those and opening a regular Crown Crate, except maybe you get a face paint or emote, or some lame pet that you didn't want in addition to the worthless junk items.

Statistically, when opening Crown Crates, you're going to get the short end of the stick far more often than anything actually worthwhile.

I agree with OP - and every time I open an Ouroboros crates, it serves as a reminder why I don't buy Crown Crates, and how rigged the system really is.

I tend to like the emotes and pets and definitely value them more than the tripots. So personally I think that the regular crown crates are better and the ouroboros ones are kind of lame.

Dagoth_Rac · June 2022

If ZOS just gave us gems for watching Twitch, it would not be "interactive" or involve "engagement". But that is basically what the Ouroboros crates are. Just a fancy way to give you some gems for boosting ESO's twitch ratings. I know there is like a 0.1% chance of a mount, just to add a modicum of excitement, but these are basically a gem reward system.

spartaxoxo · June 2022

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

The twitch promo crates aren't real crates. They are special promo crates that are mostly supposed to give you those low tier rewards. But there is a very rare chance they'll have a pet or mount.

They are "regular" crates. I've gotten several Radiant mounts from them.

They aren't because most of the loot table of a regular crate is not present. Different loot table style, although there is a mount that you can get as a radiant. One mount and one pet.

Sidereum · June 2022

Crown purchased crates tend to give higher-tier rewards way more often in my experience

Dagoth_Rac · June 2022

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

The twitch promo crates aren't real crates. They are special promo crates that are mostly supposed to give you those low tier rewards. But there is a very rare chance they'll have a pet or mount.

They are "regular" crates. I've gotten several Radiant mounts from them.

There is only one mount available from Ouroboros crates, with a very low drop rate. "The Senche of Scarlet Regret". Unless you mean you have gotten that mount multiple times and were rewarded gems for the duplicates. But you simply cannot get different mounts from Ouroboros crates. There is 1 mount, 1 pet, several tiers of research and XP scrolls, and then the standard selection of potions and drinks and soul gems and repair kits and other low tier stuff.

They are most definitely not regular crates.

Sunken Trove:
Blue Rewards: 18 items
Purple Rewards: 15 items
Gold Rewards: 16 items
Apex: 7 items
Radiant Apex: 3 items

Ouroboros:
Blue Rewards: 0 items
Purple Rewards: 2 items
Gold Rewards: 2 items
Apex: 2 items
Radiant Apex: 0 items

HerrKeinTipp_MrNoTip · June 2022

Hahah literally every response here proves my point.

[snip] if these crates are 'not real crown crates'. They are 100% showing prospective crown crate purchasers a negative view of their chances.

[snip] they would know that these Ourobrois crates should drop BETTER rewards than a basic crown crate.

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!

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rootkitronin · June 2022

Danikat wrote: »

The difference is it's completely impossible to get the vast majority of crown crate items from the ouroboros crates.

I'm aware of the difference, but it's also not really the point I was trying to make. Opening the Ouroboros does a fine job of conveying the underwhelming experience of opening a regular Crown Crate - that is, getting a bunch of junk items you don't want or need, despite the different item pools for both crates.

It's true, the regular crates have far more items, absolutely - but the chances of getting one of those coveted rare items are generally pretty close to nothing for the average customer.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I tend to like the emotes and pets and definitely value them more than the tripots. So personally I think that the regular crown crates are better and the ouroboros ones are kind of lame.

Yeah, but the difference being that one is more or less free, the other costs money for a chance at getting something you want.

Don't get me wrong, there are some great item in the blue tier from time to time - I'm just not a fan of loot crates in general.

SammyKhajit · June 2022

Those crates are just there to keep Sammy’s useless cousin, Pacrooti, employed while he pays off debt to various banks and inns.

shadyjane62 · June 2022

Bought crates once when they had a sale 15 for 3500 crowns. Everything was garbage. Even tho I was using crown I got with sub I felt cheated and scammed.

Never again.

Gargath · June 2022

One should not expect anything decent from a free crate. When you get a trashy items shrug your arms because that's what you should expect. When you get something worthy, be grateful and praise the giver.
I was getting a few really nice items from free crates and will not complain for the trashy items. They are there to play their part. Once you get your pearl, you will also appreciate the trash you were given before.

Mesite · June 2022

I just got my first flame atronach crate for levelling to level 30 for the first time and got much the same.

Abelon · June 2022

Gargath wrote: »

When you get a trashy items shrug your arms because that's what you should expect. When you get something worthy, be grateful and praise the giver.

Yeah, how about no... How about I won't expect a game to give me trash and won't be "grateful and praise the" practice of trying to hook people on gambling microtransactions.

Also I've been playing this game since beta. Not a single good thing from the free crates or the crates I once bought on sale. Taught me a lesson for sure, will never buy those things ever, in this game or any other.

tsaescishoeshiner · June 2022

The Twitch crates are just meant to give you gems. I save them up and buy what I want from crates instead of gambling on them.

FluffWit · June 2022

Rigging the free crates to give better rewards to dupe people into buying paid crates..... why the heck would anyone advocate for this?

In some places it would almost certainly be illegal. In the places it isn't illegal it should be.

Ingenon · June 2022

I like the twitch Ouroboros crates and hope ZOS continues to offer them. I have used the gems from converting the items I did not want to buy stuff I wanted. And I have opened enough of these crates that RNG gave me the mount and pet. Connect to a stream on twitch while there is a drop event on, if you like the stream you can watch it, and if you don't then you can mute the volume and set a timer to come back and check it when the drop should be available. Works for me ...

RedTalon · June 2022

That is what those creates give, they are not meant to give you solid items. hence promo being in their name, just save up the gems you get from breaking down the useless items in them

Common knowledge on this for long has its been done.

Have a good one folks

Ratzkifal · June 2022

HerrKeinTipp_MrNoTip wrote: »

Hahah literally every response here proves my point.

[snip] if these crates are 'not real crown crates'. They are 100% showing prospective crown crate purchasers a negative view of their chances.

[snip] they would know that these Ourobrois crates should drop BETTER rewards than a basic crown crate.

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!

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I think you fundamentally don't get what Ouroboros crates are. These things were added not as an advertisement for crown crates but as a method of acquiring crown crate items via gems without having to actually purchase crown crates. Ouroboros crates cannot be bought, they can only be obtained via twitch which is why people call them "twitch crates". They are a feature that is older than Endeavors and they used to be the only way of getting guaranteed crown crate items without needing to buy any crates.
So why do they only contain junk? Because cosmetics cannot be turned into gems, even if you dislike them, and there is no guarantee you will like the cosmetics you get from a crate - which is exactly why these twitch crates were added, to reward people who watch streams by giving them a guarantee on cosmetics they'll like, if they just regularly watch streams (whenever drops are active). Ouroboros crates are intentionally "worse" than real crates, everyone knows that, and it's for the better because this way they contain more gems per crate.
Obviously they could also simply hand the gems to us directly, but some people actually like some of the consumables and would rather want to keep them - that's not how I see it, but to each their own.

SeaGtGruff · June 2022

There are occasionally free crates with a "guaranteed" pet or such, but if I'm not mistaken they're always referred to as such in the news announcements. I don't think the announcements for these current crates ever mentioned anything about getting a "guaranteed" anything, especially since we were already guaranteed to get a pet (if we hadn't previously acquired it), an outfit (if we hadn't previously acquired it), and a mount. Throwing crates with "guaranteed" drops on top of that would have been a bit redundant, I think.

Most of the time I don't get any pets or mounts in the free crates, but I have gotten an occasional pet or mount from them-- usually from the crates with a "guaranteed" drop, of course, but on rare occasions from normal free crates. The free crates have never encouraged me to spend Crowns on crates, but that's because I have no interest in spending my Crowns that way in the first place; I spend them on other things. However, I think the free crates from Twitch drops have been very nice, even the ones that only contain items which convert to a total of 4 gems, because those gems add up and they've allowed me to purchase many pets and occasionally a mount over the years.

dmnqwk · June 2022

I think i'd prefer them not to try and encourage us watching streams we have no interest in.

Add the free gems as days 29-31 each month for the login rewards since it's better engagement having players log in every day than fake watch a stream. (I got a nice Senche from the last crate, however I'd be perfectly content not having to leave my phone on for 8 hours pretending to watch a stream I don't have any inclination to watch instead).