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More character slots with High Isle... PLEASE!
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deleted221205-002626✭✭✭✭✭JanTanhide wrote: »I dot understand how anyone can actually play 18 toons!! You can barely do all the dailies on 1 so are we talking more alts just to better farm 1 specific thing repeatedly and log out?
Oh, to me it has nothing to do with Dailies. I haven't done Dailies in years. It's about making distinct builds and experimenting with them in dungeons, trials, vma, world bosses, etc. I don't want to change a build to do different things when I can just swap to a different character.
Oh I see.. cuz I have 1 toon and can just click click change build and gear to anything i want at anytime, that my class supports. Having several diff templars for example to do what i can do on 1 in seconds is what doesnt make sense to me. Once you have the Cp and the gear it its only seconds to swap1 -
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✭✭✭✭NicGroover wrote: »wolfie1.0. wrote: »If AWA showed us anything it's that there isn't all that much room in the current system set up to allow for new growth.
There won't be new character slots. That's the tone I am getting from ZOS for the 2022 and 2023 seasons.
This is TESO's lame excuse because you can buy them... If all players wanted to buy a few more slots, what would happen?
No, it's all about the money, er... the crowns...
If it were about $ solely then they wouldn't put a cap on character slots. It is actually cheaper to buy a new account with high isle than it is to upgrade an existing account from 8 to 18 character slots.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭wolfie1.0. wrote: »
If it were about $ solely then they wouldn't put a cap on character slots. It is actually cheaper to buy a new account with high isle than it is to upgrade an existing account from 8 to 18 character slots.
Hmmm. Right. Okay, I know where I'm getting my next batch of slots then!
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✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »wolfie1.0. wrote: »
If it were about $ solely then they wouldn't put a cap on character slots. It is actually cheaper to buy a new account with high isle than it is to upgrade an existing account from 8 to 18 character slots.
Hmmm. Right. Okay, I know where I'm getting my next batch of slots then!
I'm not wrong, 1500 crowns per character slot... 15000 crowns. Even with a crown sale... compare that with the cost of high isle.
The only downside ( or plus if you hate awa) is that you are starting from scratch. But that's 8 more character slots.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭wolfie1.0. wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »wolfie1.0. wrote: »
If it were about $ solely then they wouldn't put a cap on character slots. It is actually cheaper to buy a new account with high isle than it is to upgrade an existing account from 8 to 18 character slots.
Hmmm. Right. Okay, I know where I'm getting my next batch of slots then!
I'm not wrong, 1500 crowns per character slot... 15000 crowns. Even with a crown sale... compare that with the cost of high isle.
The only downside ( or plus if you hate awa) is that you are starting from scratch. But that's 8 more character slots.
I'm not fussed about starting from scratch - since I've got pretty much everything I want on my current two accounts, I can pick up stuff for the new one now.0 -
RodneyRegis✭✭✭✭✭3x6 classes is ok, but if they ever introduced a new class they'd surely need to open up more slots. I have 18 alts but probably 10 of those are ropey races. If I were starting now I'd probably do one of each class and buy extra armory slots rather than buying extra character slots.0 -
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✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »wolfie1.0. wrote: »If AWA showed us anything it's that there isn't all that much room in the current system set up to allow for new growth.
There won't be new character slots. That's the tone I am getting from ZOS for the 2022 and 2023 seasons.
AWA was to optimize access, not save space (per se at least).
Storage is cheap. How would they handle more players if not?
It doesn't make sense to me either honestly. But the size of the database, and reducing said size were points mentioned in ZOS'S official statements on AWA. The implication is that the database could no longer support all of the data it contains without impacts to performance. So they had to shrink it to prevent issues.0 -
RodneyRegis✭✭✭✭✭wolfie1.0. wrote: »NicGroover wrote: »wolfie1.0. wrote: »If AWA showed us anything it's that there isn't all that much room in the current system set up to allow for new growth.
There won't be new character slots. That's the tone I am getting from ZOS for the 2022 and 2023 seasons.
This is TESO's lame excuse because you can buy them... If all players wanted to buy a few more slots, what would happen?
No, it's all about the money, er... the crowns...
If it were about $ solely then they wouldn't put a cap on character slots. It is actually cheaper to buy a new account with high isle than it is to upgrade an existing account from 8 to 18 character slots.
Sure, but the CP progression and non-tradable gear collection is a bit dull.1 -
deleted221205-002626✭✭✭✭✭RodneyRegis wrote: »3x6 classes is ok, but if they ever introduced a new class they'd surely need to open up more slots. I have 18 alts but probably 10 of those are ropey races. If I were starting now I'd probably do one of each class and buy extra armory slots rather than buying extra character slots.
OR... you could go over them and decide which ones you actually need or want to keep. There is a delete button at the bottom
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Sirona_Starr✭✭✭✭✭I'm all for more character slots, to experiment with different race, build combinations.
I read the "excuse" they won't be offering new slots (and anyone who wants more than 18 toons, is more than ready to pay zos for additional slots) because......... performance.
So, explain to me what the difference is re performance, when people are forced to start new accounts if they want more slots, and build each account up to 18 slots, which, it seems they would prefer, and somehow doesn't impact performance?
It makes no sense.
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RodneyRegis✭✭✭✭✭RodneyRegis wrote: »3x6 classes is ok, but if they ever introduced a new class they'd surely need to open up more slots. I have 18 alts but probably 10 of those are ropey races. If I were starting now I'd probably do one of each class and buy extra armory slots rather than buying extra character slots.
OR... you could go over them and decide which ones you actually need or want to keep. There is a delete button at the bottom
Meh, I don't have any need to start new alts, and when I can be bothered they are excellent for farming transmutes or writ surveys/mats. 18 writs probably gives me a chromium plating most days if I do them all, and I can do randoms on all of them to get enough transmutes to reconstruct an entire new build in a day.
Plus they all have decent skill point/guild progression, and have lvl 50 in all crafts, armor weights and soon all weapon lines.
They also come in very handy as mules if I'm not actively playing them.
Having 3 of each class means I can put together a tank, healer, pvp character, stam or mag dps of any class in 20 minutes or so without having to mess around with alts I play more frequently.
Not sure why I'd feel the need to delete any of them.Edited by RodneyRegis on May 9, 2022 2:23PM0 -
RodneyRegis✭✭✭✭✭Sirona_Starr wrote: »I'm all for more character slots, to experiment with different race, build combinations.
I read the "excuse" they won't be offering new slots (and anyone who wants more than 18 toons, is more than ready to pay zos for additional slots) because......... performance.
So, explain to me what the difference is re performance, when people are forced to start new accounts if they want more slots, and build each account up to 18 slots, which, it seems they would prefer, and somehow doesn't impact performance?
It makes no sense.
It obviously nonsense. How would somebody having 30 alts be more of a performance issue than somebody with 18 alts on one account and 12 on another?6 -
gwdodd✭✭✭Culled three of my beloved daughters (Altmer) to free up slots.
Two out of the three were a very difficult decision.
RIP Inge-Marie
RIP Lissbeth-Marie
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✭✭adirondack wrote: »20 seems like a much nicer number than 18.
However 18 is kinda special. It’s one of a few double digit numbers that add to one of its component numbers. 1+8 = 9. It’s is also an even number with more than one odd number components (3 and 9) and one of its components is also the square of another component.
20 on the other hand is kinda boring. 2,5 are its base components. It’s lacks the same style as 18.
Don’t even get me started on how sexy 49 is. Hoooah.
But I’d still prefer a couple more characters.
A wild mathematitian appear!0 -
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✭✭RodneyRegis wrote: »3x6 classes is ok, but if they ever introduced a new class they'd surely need to open up more slots. I have 18 alts but probably 10 of those are ropey races. If I were starting now I'd probably do one of each class and buy extra armory slots rather than buying extra character slots.
OR... you could go over them and decide which ones you actually need or want to keep. There is a delete button at the bottom
Or choose to actually value the time you spent with them and not put it to waste on a whim3 -
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✭✭wolfie1.0. wrote: »wolfie1.0. wrote: »If AWA showed us anything it's that there isn't all that much room in the current system set up to allow for new growth.
This is extremely disconcerting to me. I have heard people claim similar things on numerous occasions now: "ZOS can't add new animations because the game can't take it," "ZOS can't add new classes because consoles," "ZOS can't add this because that," "ZOS can't add new character slots because database is full."
I worry if there is any legitimate basis to this. Have they actually claimed this publically, or are people just speculating?
Because if they really can't add anything new to the game, I wonder what am I paying for, what am I investing in? I gladly put money into games I feel will bring me a return on that investment with new content. If what you and others are saying is basically "game's full" and they won't be adding anything, then it makes me think maybe it is time to move on.
That is honestly the definition of "maintenance mode" to me. Nothing new being added, for whatever reason, and just keeping things going with maybe a card game added every once in a while.
If that is really where we are then I am really saddened to hear it. I though for sure ESO would at least make it to 10 years before they just stopped adding anything new to the game.
I sincerely hope you are wrong or this is just speculation on your and others' part.
In an interview ZOS mentioned specifically that they had trouble bringing new player animations for player skills into the game because it didn't play nice with older console generations. They have said similar things about other functions as well. That said the same would apply to older pcs as well.
It makes me wonder when they'll finally end support for last generation consoles, half way through this generation, at the end of this gen, what the player count hits "X" number on last gen?1 -
Gundug✭✭✭✭✭I hope not. I have an obsessive compulsive personality, with way too many accounts and developed characters to justify. Judging from their previous character count increases, I would only expect more slots if a new class is introduced, and in that case, probably one free slot and two crown slots. If more slots are added, I would hope ZOS might rethink their character selection screen interface and do away with the long scroll from the top to bottom of the list. Surely, all the character names could be displayed on screen at once.1
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✭✭✭With Account Wide Achievements reducing the database footprint of accounts by an order of magnitude, can we PLEASE revisit the 18 character limit we have been stuck at for the last 4 years?
WoW allows you 50+ characters! Surely ESO's servers have room to accommodate a few more slots to keep veteran players engaged?
You get to sell more characters slots = MONEY.
Veteran players who love the game stay engaged = MONEY.
It really seems like a win-win and as I said AWA really should have removed a TON of redundancy from account database complexity.
I feel this is a really overdue improvement.
@ZOS_Kevin any idea if this is something that is at all possible we might see? Thanks!
The new account wide achievement system did not free up anything, it just shifted the way it is loaded by the game so that it only has to load once for all characters instead of for each individual character all of the data for each individual character is still stored but only part of it is accessed during game play now. So, no, there is no new space for even more characters, in fact there is probably a little less because they've had to add the account wide database to the server as well.
So they can't have any new players sign up? I don't buy that.
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✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »With Account Wide Achievements reducing the database footprint of accounts by an order of magnitude, can we PLEASE revisit the 18 character limit we have been stuck at for the last 4 years?
WoW allows you 50+ characters! Surely ESO's servers have room to accommodate a few more slots to keep veteran players engaged?
You get to sell more characters slots = MONEY.
Veteran players who love the game stay engaged = MONEY.
It really seems like a win-win and as I said AWA really should have removed a TON of redundancy from account database complexity.
I feel this is a really overdue improvement.
@ZOS_Kevin any idea if this is something that is at all possible we might see? Thanks!
The new account wide achievement system did not free up anything, it just shifted the way it is loaded by the game so that it only has to load once for all characters instead of for each individual character all of the data for each individual character is still stored but only part of it is accessed during game play now. So, no, there is no new space for even more characters, in fact there is probably a little less because they've had to add the account wide database to the server as well.
So they can't have any new players sign up? I don't buy that.
Yeah, that's not a thing at all. I still have 4 slots on each of two accounts on PC EU (which they would be perfectly happy to sell me) - but instead of that, I just set up a third account which is 8 character slots on both PC megaservers.
AWA is in some ways a red herring....2 -
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✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »wolfie1.0. wrote: »If AWA showed us anything it's that there isn't all that much room in the current system set up to allow for new growth.
There won't be new character slots. That's the tone I am getting from ZOS for the 2022 and 2023 seasons.
Yeah. I'll be surprised if we get any after 2023....
It's a problem for me. I have all these characters beating on the inside of my mind, wanting me to create them. I'm probably going to have to do another account....
I know...one person with 3 accounts with max character slots on eu and na.
They have spreadsheet to keep track of skill points and gear needed...1 -
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✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Well... that's not what I track on my spreadsheets.
They got more stuff, but my point was people do it. If one account isn't enough then buy another1 -
Commandment✭✭✭With Account Wide Achievements reducing the database footprint of accounts by an order of magnitude, can we PLEASE revisit the 18 character limit we have been stuck at for the last 4 years?
WoW allows you 50+ characters! Surely ESO's servers have room to accommodate a few more slots to keep veteran players engaged?
You get to sell more characters slots = MONEY.
Veteran players who love the game stay engaged = MONEY.
It really seems like a win-win and as I said AWA really should have removed a TON of redundancy from account database complexity.
I feel this is a really overdue improvement.
@ZOS_Kevin any idea if this is something that is at all possible we might see? Thanks!
Well wow is a dying game. Why should ESO follow them, when they are the ones scrounging around for other mmo's ideas?2 -
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✭✭✭Commandment wrote: »With Account Wide Achievements reducing the database footprint of accounts by an order of magnitude, can we PLEASE revisit the 18 character limit we have been stuck at for the last 4 years?
WoW allows you 50+ characters! Surely ESO's servers have room to accommodate a few more slots to keep veteran players engaged?
You get to sell more characters slots = MONEY.
Veteran players who love the game stay engaged = MONEY.
It really seems like a win-win and as I said AWA really should have removed a TON of redundancy from account database complexity.
I feel this is a really overdue improvement.
@ZOS_Kevin any idea if this is something that is at all possible we might see? Thanks!
Well wow is a dying game. Why should ESO follow them, when they are the ones scrounging around for other mmo's ideas?
Are they dying because of too many characters? Just because they were stupid in many areas doesn't mean some things are not good.PC
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✭✭There should be less slots total. No need for more. As it is now you really only need what 6 specially with the armory. Fine you want to craft give you 12 maybe even 18. There is literally no argument for more. You can do every class and build at this point easily.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Eh, I don't bother with class and build. That's SO not why I play a game.
I have characters beating on the inside of my mind to create them in game. I have all these people wanting to be born, waiting for me to give them life.
THAT is why I need more slots. You do you. I'll make my next dozen people....7 -
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✭✭✭✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »There should be less slots total. No need for more. As it is now you really only need what 6 specially with the armory. Fine you want to craft give you 12 maybe even 18. There is literally no argument for more. You can do every class and build at this point easily.
Faction and race changes are locked behind paywalls
Class changes are non existent.
arguments for having more character slots for one time cost.1