I wanna wear my rose tinted glasses and say it's great but... It's not. The community still exists but as others have stated it's on the decline, and the toxic stuff that came along has only hardened people's hearts.

Ya'll makin me sad. What MMO is everyone playing for PvP?

Cuddlypuff wrote: »

I'm not sure what happened this time around, but last two times I played Cyrodiil (2 months during No-proc, 2 months during Blackwood) it was a lot more active with multiple keeps being sieged and defended all the time. Now factions are moving around as 40+ member zergs and the defending faction always ignores them to PvDoor something else in return. During primetime the activity picks up a little but so does the lag to the point the game becomes unplayable.

Basically it is just 50% boredom due to nothing happening/PvDoor and 50% frustration due to lag. Gonna take another break since there's not much fun to be had anymore.

Other than performance, I think that games like Lost Ark, New World and Elden Ring gave players more incentive and reasons to actually leave. Before that, there weren't many options to choose from so they stuck with ESO. Plus with lockdowns and restrictions ending, people are just playing less. And as others have mentioned when it is actually busy, the game is unplayable so what is even the point?

Nellzer wrote: »

Supershutze wrote: »

There are a few foundational issues that are slowly killing PvP.

First issue is that building for durability and sustain offers *vastly* more return on investment than building for damage.

Right now, someone who can build for durability and sustain can burst down someone who builds for damage, but the reverse is not true.

This is a very serious balance issue, and one of the pillars of tank meta.

Issue number 2 is that healing is ridiculous, both in part because it scales off the same stats damage does, but also because it has zero counterplay.

Combine both issues and the meta becomes a bunch of tanks having slap fights.

This is a fatal problem to have for a number of reasons; Reason one is that new players coming from PvE are usually running damage builds, and they get completely destroyed by players who, from their perspective, are immortal gods. This isn't fun. They don't come back.

Reason two is that tank/heal meta isn't much fun for experienced players either, so they get bored and leave.


Unless these issues are resolved, the upcoming code rework and performance updates *aren't going to matter*; it's like putting a bandaid on a sucking chest wound.

This was true when I was playing years ago too, though. High skill duels always took ages. All of the best builds were always built around sustain, as you cannot win a drawn out duel let alone 1vX if you can't sustain long enough to get a kill and reset the fight. I've watched plenty of recent videos, and it doesn't look very different from what I remember.

For new and inexperienced players that get stomped 5v1, that should be inspiration, telling them there is a large skill gap in the game and they have a lot of work to do to get where they want to be. If you don't have that mindset, you aren't really a PvP-minded player to begin with IMO. Competition is what should drive and motivate.

IDK, I guess this all just seems par for the course for how the game has been ever since PvP was at its pique so I don't see it being a reason why it would drive people away.

There is a skill gap, but gear and CP are the main reasons why people can 1vX.

Dem_kitkats1 wrote: »

Supershutze wrote: »

Reason two is that tank/heal meta isn't much fun for experienced players either, so they get bored and leave.

It's also very discouraging for new and inexperienced players as well, as the vast amount of healing has actually widened the skill gap between new and experienced players. It's not fun when 5-10 inexperienced players can't even take down 1 experienced player because they can simply out tank and out heal any new player and then turn around and kill them in a couple of hits. Who would want to play a PvP game where you can't kill anyone? Because of this the population of the community has a difficult time replacing those who leave.

This is what I've found after coming back to the game after a couple of years out. Initially I wondered whether there was now a way to hack the game because there were some individuals who were basically un-killable. It was when I watched 4 people repeatedly kill groups of 20 or more outside a castle and was told by someone in our group that it wasn't hacking, just whacked game mechanics being used (abused?) by the group of 4.

I know build and skill should come into it and I don't really think skill should or can be changed but the survivability is pretty crazy. I don't really understand why they don't just introduce a hard cap on healing.

Nellzer wrote: »

I haven't played the game in years. Back when I did, there was a very healthy PvP community, I played in the guild Legend where dueling tournaments were held regularly, etc.

Is there still a healthy PvP community here? Seems like the player population as a whole is still very healthy, but I'm solely interested in PvP and wondering if it will still be a fun environment. Thanks!

From what I can tell the PvP community is pretty jaded in general b/c they feel like developers are ignoring their problems and concerns. I'm relatively new to this game (I've returned) as well and I've seen way too much negativity from a variety of people in various places.

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Jordan.nick11b14_ESO wrote: »

Nellzer wrote: »

I haven't played the game in years. Back when I did, there was a very healthy PvP community, I played in the guild Legend where dueling tournaments were held regularly, etc.

Is there still a healthy PvP community here? Seems like the player population as a whole is still very healthy, but I'm solely interested in PvP and wondering if it will still be a fun environment. Thanks!

From what I can tell the PvP community is pretty jaded in general b/c they feel like developers are ignoring their problems and concerns. I'm relatively new to this game (I've returned) as well and I've seen way too much negativity from a variety of people in various places.

How are we jaded when it is a fact that PvP is being neglected? Seems like a valid concern to me.

Definition: tired, bored, or lacking enthusiasm, typically after having had too much of something.
I'd say my term fits. And, I'm not attacking you or anyone with criticism. I'm just using the correct meaning of the word.

I prefer clearly bg than cyro.
Direct in the action and not waiting to be ganked or attacked otherwise i play moba for same lol.

I only play Ravenwatch (Cyrodiil no CP/Proc) and it seems to me there are the core players of each faction that come on and zerg at specific times/days to get max AP. They are very cliquey and may group up together and be in group chat. But if they don't know you well they won't let you in either. So not very newcomer friendly at all and even elitist most of the time. A lot of them have a very "You're not good enough to play with me" attitude. And I say this as someone who does play enough and is included in those group at least sometimes. Some of the players are way too sweaty and stuck up. They need a serious attitude adjustment. (If your claim to fame in life is that you are elite in ESO PVP, please evaluate your life goals!) But I digress! There are some players who will run around with maybe a buddy trying to prey on players who are brave enough to travel around alone taking resources (like me). A lot of nights it's either get there during the busy time and zerg with the group or you'll be on almost alone in your faction at a time when another alliance is zerging. It's almost like there are planned times when each alliance takes the whole map or at least 70% of it and then they just leave.

That doesn't make for great 1v1 opportunities and there are occasional small group vs. small group fights but those are rare. Oh well, at least there is no stupid hammer or gimmick proc sets. This IMO is the best PVP in this game. I've never played BGs and don't plan to. I have no desire to play with proc sets either. I'd rather win fights only 30% of the time but know that I did it with skill instead of just spam AOE all night. It's hard to sustain in Ravenwatch and it's difficult to get damage high enough to kill others. If you win fights you earned it unless you're zerging down single players or small groups.

is this like a wellness test?

I'm okay today, a little tired, but generally feeling happy...

thanks for asking

gariondavey wrote: »

Nellzer wrote: »

gariondavey wrote: »

Yasha wrote: »

The community is awesome, there are lots of great people to meet and awesome fights to have.

Yup! If you are on pcna, I am in an incredible bg guild, home to a ton of the best bg players in the game. We do bg tournaments and events weekly, and have a great atmosphere where veterans help less experienced players.
I am also in an ad loyal ravenwatch guild, with yasha here, and it is awesome, too.

Hit me up in game if either of these interest you. @gariondavey in game.

Sounds great dude, you guys are AD you said?

Yup, our only rule is don't play in rw on another faction. The guild is "imperium of the eagle" and we do raids every day except Wednesday. 9pm eastern to 1am most nights!

Sorry to Necro a dead thread but does your guild still exist? I'm looking for a ravenwatch AD guild. Thanks!

Good keep fights still happen but they’re usually one sided unless it’s a “strategic” keep, and by one sided I mean 20+v5. Sometimes people will actually come defend and it’s a great time. IMO it so fast to take down a front door most people don’t bother or make it in time to defend.

BGs are fun until you reach a high mmr… then you’re fighting the same people over and over.

@gariondavey thanks! I'll see if I can find it. ESO really needs a search function in the guild finder.

The anger boiled over in 2021. Those that are left are waiting for a new MMO and got put off NW. The disrespect towards pvprs has gotten to the point where most of us feel they want us to delete. It's fine to log in and get some fights.