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Subterranean bots: true or legend?
DreamyLu
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I have a question about subterranean bots: are they really existing? Or when resources disappear magically, can that not simply be due to a crossover of two different instances of same map?
I see it happening a lot more often since about one week and I'm curious about it. Could someone explain/confirm?
Thanks.
I see it happening a lot more often since about one week and I'm curious about it. Could someone explain/confirm?
Thanks.
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bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Don't know about the bots.
As far as I know it's people playing in different instances that all share the same resource nodes.
That and I think nodes de-spawn after a while if they have not been harvested, then re spawn shortly afterward.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Strange, I've never heard of this one. I'm not aware of bots doing anything that players cannot do. I also don't think nodes can be taken from another instance, difference instances of the same zone are entirely independent.
Nodes will get a short despawn timer if someone partially loots it (leaving something like crawlers behind). This is the most likely cause when you see them disappear with nobody around. I guess there could be a longer despawn timer even for untouched nodes, but I don't really see the point and haven't noticed it if it exists.6 -
VaxtinTheWolf✭✭✭✭✭I've had a few things do that. You see a glowing orange rune from a distance. With excitement, you sprint across the land over to it. You press your interact key... Nothing, and it immediately vanished. The gods are playing tricks on you.|| AD - Rah'Jiin Lv50 Khajiit Nightblade (Damage) || EP - Generic Argonian Lv50 Argonian Nightblade (Tank) || DC - Zinkotsu Lv50 Breton Nightblade (Healer) ||
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Tenthirty2✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've not seen this yet.
I've seen sometimes where a harvest node, or chest(
), spawns below the terrain.
There it sits, juuust out of reach, taunting you, until eventually the madness takes hold.- "Some enjoy bringing grief to others. They remind M'aiq of mudcrabs - horrible creatures, with no redeeming qualities."
- "When my time comes, I will smile. And that will be all." -Sir Nathain Galien
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LalMirchi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭My brains hurt, both the big and little one! Perhaps i will screenshot this if it happens to me.0 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There were always said to be those bots in WoW and RIFT, though I don't remember ever hearing that it was true.0 -
Gaeliannas✭✭✭✭✭I have a question about subterranean bots: are they really existing? Or when resources disappear magically, can that not simply be due to a crossover of two different instances of same map?
I see it happening a lot more often since about one week and I'm curious about it. Could someone explain/confirm?
Thanks.
It is lag, not bots. There are many things in this game now due to performance issues ZOS has; that appear there, then not as you get close, or the just the opposite. Happens with NPC's as well. It is due to the game sending updates to your client, if the update is delayed the previous state of that thing is what you see.
Edited by Gaeliannas on May 1, 2022 1:59PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭To add to the Wrath's comment there are instances when you could see a node from the distance but at the approach it vanishes, though when you're leaving a "cell" it reappears from the distance but still not present after approaching same "cell" again. This issue or feature can be seen at some survey points also when it reappears instantly after couple of steps back in elsweyr because it's probably a cell border there.1 -
Arunei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Those bots existed in droves back at launch, but I think ZOS must have implemented some sort of method to prevent it, since these days all the bots are aboveground.Character List [RP and PvE]:Stands-Against-Death: Argonian Magplar Healer - Crafter
Krisiel: Redguard Stamsorc DPS - Literally crazy Werewolf, no like legit insane. She nuts
Kiju Veran: Khajiit Stamblade DPS - Ex-Fighters Guild Suthay who likes to punch things, nicknamed Tinykat
Niralae Elsinal: Altmer Stamsorc DPS - Young Altmer with way too much Magicka
Sarah Lacroix: Breton Magsorc DPS - Fledgling Vampire who drinks too much water
Slondor: Nord Tankblade - TESified verson of Slenderman
Marius Vastino: Imperial <insert role here> - Sarah's apathetic sire who likes to monologue
Delthor Rellenar: Dunmer Magknight DPS - Sarah's ex who's a certified psychopath
Lirawyn Calatare: Altmer Magplar Healer - Traveling performer and bard who's 101% vanilla bean
Gondryn Beldeau: Breton Tankplar - Sarah's Mages Guild mentor and certified badass old person
Gwendolyn Jenelle: Breton Magplar Healer - Friendly healer with a coffee addiction
Soliril Larethian- Altmer Magblade DPS - Blind alchemist who uses animals to see and brews plagues in his spare time
Tevril Rallenar: Dunmer Stamcro DPS - Delthor's "special" younger brother who raises small animals as friends
Celeroth Calatare: Bosmer <insert role here> - Shapeshifting Bosmer with enough sass to fill Valenwood
PC - NA - EP - CP1000+
Avid RPer. Hit me up in-game @Ras_Lei if you're interested in getting together for some arr-pee shenanigans!0 -
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✭I couldn't tell you. I made a thread awhile back asking about the capabilities of bots after watching a team of 10 or so all speak, mount, ride around, and port in sync at the grahtwood wayshrine Xbox na and then later in another zone a group running a route for 10 minutes, porting out, and a new grp(different gibberish names) running the same route, and yep, 10 minutes port/repeat with a different grp.
That was on console, and I imagine PC could probably do more complicated scripts. Subterranean bots were mentioned (something I'd never considered) but unless zos or a botter says yes idk how we'd know if they're still here.0 -
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✭✭Asking about bots abilities, as well as general discussion on the subject, is not welcome here for good reasons, or will be quickly deleted. And after many bot and cheater discussions I saw here, I think this is the best solution.
Because who wants to guarantee, that the one who reports bots, means it honestly, is able to recognize a bot at all?
Possibly it is simply someone who wants to harm others. And that is not rare even in this 'fantastic' community.
I think the best way is still to report a supposed bot via the in-game function.
But you can't expect someone to run out immediately to put a stop to it. The data must first be collected and verified. If only so,... that no one is unjustly punished or banned.Geschichten werden nicht berühmt, weil sie passiert sind – sondern weil sie erzählt wurden.0 -
Lumenn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Let's be nice here folks. Bots have always been a subject (a simple search in these very forums shows hundreds of threads and up to 1000 pages on bots) including how to deal with them(in which for us customers means reporting and then it's up to zos) the question was whether subterranean bots exist. Personally I couldn't tell you since the last time I did anything funky on a computer that wasn't point and click DOS was all we had....0 -
Madarc✭✭✭✭✭
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Sure, it wasthe question was whether subterranean bots exist.
Actually, it should be unnecessary to explain why. The same goes for cheat threads.That's why I wrote:Asking about bots abilities, as well as general discussion on the subject, is not welcome here for good reasons...
And what the reasons are has also been explained many times by ZOS
The in-game reporting feature is cumbersome, but still the best method, I think. And if you are interested in this topic, or the game is worth it to you, then you just take the time for it.
Still better than discussing what kind of exploits, cheats or other methods there are to cheat in the game.
justmy2cents
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✭✭I once encountered a character who was gliding over the ground and would also turn invisible, only appearing when it reached a node.0 -
Gaeliannas✭✭✭✭✭I once encountered a character who was gliding over the ground and would also turn invisible, only appearing when it reached a node.
There are cheat programs, but ZOS watches for them now and bans the account and IP near instantly and permanently. They didn't used to be able to detect them very well years ago, they do now. Those accounts a usually very short lived. That's why you don't see folks flying around Cyrodiil raining endless Ice Comets down anymore either.
Edited by Gaeliannas on May 1, 2022 11:34PM0 -
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✭✭Gaeliannas wrote: »I once encountered a character who was gliding over the ground and would also turn invisible, only appearing when it reached a node.
There are cheat programs, but ZOS watches for them now and bans the account and IP near instantly and permanently. They didn't used to be able to detect them very well years ago, they do now. Those accounts a usually very short lived. That's why you don't see folks flying around Cyrodiil raining endless Ice Comets down anymore either.
Do you have any evidence that ZOS can detect them? Is there a post or confirmed quote from the Devs? Or is this just what you think. There is a well known cheat program online that still appears to work for many things. But alas I have no first person experience. I only know based on the forum chat that continues there.2 -
Gaeliannas✭✭✭✭✭Gaeliannas wrote: »I once encountered a character who was gliding over the ground and would also turn invisible, only appearing when it reached a node.
There are cheat programs, but ZOS watches for them now and bans the account and IP near instantly and permanently. They didn't used to be able to detect them very well years ago, they do now. Those accounts a usually very short lived. That's why you don't see folks flying around Cyrodiil raining endless Ice Comets down anymore either.
Do you have any evidence that ZOS can detect them? Is there a post or confirmed quote from the Devs? Or is this just what you think. There is a well known cheat program online that still appears to work for many things. But alas I have no first person experience. I only know based on the forum chat that continues there.
Try looking up ESO ban wave for starters. How about you provide evidence they don't ban cheaters?0 -
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✭✭Gaeliannas wrote: »Gaeliannas wrote: »I once encountered a character who was gliding over the ground and would also turn invisible, only appearing when it reached a node.
There are cheat programs, but ZOS watches for them now and bans the account and IP near instantly and permanently. They didn't used to be able to detect them very well years ago, they do now. Those accounts a usually very short lived. That's why you don't see folks flying around Cyrodiil raining endless Ice Comets down anymore either.
Do you have any evidence that ZOS can detect them? Is there a post or confirmed quote from the Devs? Or is this just what you think. There is a well known cheat program online that still appears to work for many things. But alas I have no first person experience. I only know based on the forum chat that continues there.
Try looking up ESO ban wave for starters. How about you provide evidence they don't ban cheaters?
You are the one that claimed that ZOS is able to detect them well and quickly bans accounts. I asked you to validate your claims. You have not. /wink2 -
Gaeliannas✭✭✭✭✭Gaeliannas wrote: »Gaeliannas wrote: »I once encountered a character who was gliding over the ground and would also turn invisible, only appearing when it reached a node.
There are cheat programs, but ZOS watches for them now and bans the account and IP near instantly and permanently. They didn't used to be able to detect them very well years ago, they do now. Those accounts a usually very short lived. That's why you don't see folks flying around Cyrodiil raining endless Ice Comets down anymore either.
Do you have any evidence that ZOS can detect them? Is there a post or confirmed quote from the Devs? Or is this just what you think. There is a well known cheat program online that still appears to work for many things. But alas I have no first person experience. I only know based on the forum chat that continues there.
Try looking up ESO ban wave for starters. How about you provide evidence they don't ban cheaters?
You are the one that claimed that ZOS is able to detect them well and quickly bans accounts. I asked you to validate your claims. You have not. /wink
They don't post often about it, but I did by telling you what to search. This entire discussion is bordering on being against the TOS, so no, I am not going to give you direct evidence to let you know if someone can cheat or not and get away with it.Edited by Gaeliannas on May 2, 2022 12:12AM0 -
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✭✭Gaeliannas wrote: »Gaeliannas wrote: »Gaeliannas wrote: »I once encountered a character who was gliding over the ground and would also turn invisible, only appearing when it reached a node.
There are cheat programs, but ZOS watches for them now and bans the account and IP near instantly and permanently. They didn't used to be able to detect them very well years ago, they do now. Those accounts a usually very short lived. That's why you don't see folks flying around Cyrodiil raining endless Ice Comets down anymore either.
Do you have any evidence that ZOS can detect them? Is there a post or confirmed quote from the Devs? Or is this just what you think. There is a well known cheat program online that still appears to work for many things. But alas I have no first person experience. I only know based on the forum chat that continues there.
Try looking up ESO ban wave for starters. How about you provide evidence they don't ban cheaters?
You are the one that claimed that ZOS is able to detect them well and quickly bans accounts. I asked you to validate your claims. You have not. /wink
They don't post often about it, but I did by telling you what to search. This entire discussion is bordering on being against the TOS, so no, I am not going to give you direct evidence to let you know if someone can cheat or not and get away with it.
Look. You are missing the point. I believe that ZOS does everything it can to combat bots and cheat programs. I have faith that they always have. I also have knowledge of players who have been banned by their own admission and by my own reporting. But as we all know, those who make cheat programs are developing ways to overcome any protections that the game puts in place. It is just the nature of the world.
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Gaeliannas✭✭✭✭✭Gaeliannas wrote: »Gaeliannas wrote: »Gaeliannas wrote: »I once encountered a character who was gliding over the ground and would also turn invisible, only appearing when it reached a node.
There are cheat programs, but ZOS watches for them now and bans the account and IP near instantly and permanently. They didn't used to be able to detect them very well years ago, they do now. Those accounts a usually very short lived. That's why you don't see folks flying around Cyrodiil raining endless Ice Comets down anymore either.
Do you have any evidence that ZOS can detect them? Is there a post or confirmed quote from the Devs? Or is this just what you think. There is a well known cheat program online that still appears to work for many things. But alas I have no first person experience. I only know based on the forum chat that continues there.
Try looking up ESO ban wave for starters. How about you provide evidence they don't ban cheaters?
You are the one that claimed that ZOS is able to detect them well and quickly bans accounts. I asked you to validate your claims. You have not. /wink
They don't post often about it, but I did by telling you what to search. This entire discussion is bordering on being against the TOS, so no, I am not going to give you direct evidence to let you know if someone can cheat or not and get away with it.
Look. You are missing the point. I believe that ZOS does everything it can to combat bots and cheat programs. I have faith that they always have. I also have knowledge of players who have been banned by their own admission and by my own reporting. But as we all know, those who make cheat programs are developing ways to overcome any protections that the game puts in place. It is just the nature of the world.
I'm sure you meant well, though.
It is much like anti-virus programs. They need to be updated and rewritten constantly in order to perform their function, as someone is always trying to get past them. It is a never ending battle, but ZOS does look for the cheaters. Oh, they also pretty much never call it cheating or use of a 3rd party program, they generally just call it exploiting.
BTW, since ZOS did post this here on the forums some 4 years ago. Although I have no idea if it was a glitch in the geometry or a cheat program that allowed this. But they were able to detect folks outside of the playable area and ban everyone involved:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416280/action-taken-for-veteran-asylum-sanctorium-exploitEdited by Gaeliannas on May 2, 2022 1:04AM0 -
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✭I have a question about subterranean bots: are they really existing? Or when resources disappear magically, can that not simply be due to a crossover of two different instances of same map?
I see it happening a lot more often since about one week and I'm curious about it. Could someone explain/confirm?
Thanks.
We share resources so when a node from another dimension (instance) is harvested all dimensions are harvested.
No, there are no subterranean bots. I've heard them called "Ghost" bots too. ESO wives tales. LOL
There is a way to test what I wrote. Group with one or two people who have not done any exploration or quests in Malabal Tor. This is the easiest place I know of to test this on.
One player has completed it the other has not. Both port to Velyn Harbor wayshrine. Once there you should not be able to see each other (I've done this in other zones as well especially in Cold Harbour).
You should be able to see the group arrow over your group team member but that's all. Now both go to the nearest node and one of you harvest it and see what happens.
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They dont do so, because:some wrote:Do you have any evidence that ZOS can detect them? Is there a post or confirmed quote from the Devs?
Why should they share any knowledge about it with players, .... and cheaters?
To make it easier for cheaters to find new adequate programs when the one they are using doesn't work well anymore?
This question actually always pops up in every thread about this topic, and it doesn't do anyone any good, except to pique the interest of those who want to cheat, or even give them hints.
BTW...You only have to look at old threads to see how often, of course.... always "just out of interest", people ask about such programs. Sometimes I think some are slow on the uptake ....
*Edit: did not mean to offend the originator of this sentence.Edited by Madarc on May 2, 2022 2:19AMGeschichten werden nicht berühmt, weil sie passiert sind – sondern weil sie erzählt wurden.0 -
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Why should they share any knowledge about it with players, .... and cheaters?Do you have any evidence that ZOS can detect them? Is there a post or confirmed quote from the Devs?
To make it easier for cheaters to find new adequate programs when the one they are using doesn't work well anymore?
This question actually always pops up in every thread about this topic, and it doesn't do anyone any good, except to pique the interest of those who want to cheat, or even give them hints.
BTW...You only have to look at old threads to see how often, of course.... always "just out of interest", people ask about such programs. Sometimes I think some are slow on the uptake ....
I suggest you read my comments fully.0