ThreeXB wrote: »

Instead of focusing on new players I think Zos need to remember the vet players that are still here. Besides retired crown store items and jubilee cake furniture not a whole lot focuses vet players in my opinion. Do you all have any ideas that would help players stay and even bring old players back ? I have a couple ideas myself.

1) make green CP tree ALL passives, really no reason to drive for CP past 1600. Having no real return on last 2000 CP seems pretty silly personally

2) Make achievement points do something. Every 500 ( or 1000 ) achievement points should unlock something

3) like daily rewards add monthly, 6 month, yearly rewards, etc

Just a couple ideas

I would not make all green tree stars passives. But I sure would make a lot more of them passive, sure. The fishing ones, the double furniture plan one for example could easily be passives. Far from everyone goes around fishing, and the stars supporting fishing are more QoL than anything else - it gives no real advantage in combat or other major game mechanics. Just shortens fishing time. To spend time changing stars and CP setups to get them almost takes more time than it is worth, so, yeah, passive.

The sneak and speed ones should stay active though, as they do affect gameplay more directly.

Not sure about the crafting/harvesting ones... I wouldn't weep if they were turned passive, but then I am not sure what most of my alts would put as actives instead.

ThreeXB wrote: »

1) make green CP tree ALL passives, really no reason to drive for CP past 1600. Having no real return on last 2000 CP seems pretty silly personally

2) Make achievement points do something. Every 500 ( or 1000 ) achievement points should unlock something

3) like daily rewards add monthly, 6 month, yearly rewards, etc

Just a couple ideas

The first idea is great, the 2nd and 3rd ideas I do not like much. As that would make players feel they miss out on something if they do not put in the maximum effort. With maximum effort I mean chasing achievements, or logging in every day.

4: Personally I would like to see +10 base bank slots per mount, and +5 accountwide inventory slots per non-combat pet. This would give players more incentive to both buy those, and chase the achievements for those. This would also make sure older/more spending accounts will have plenty of storage space.

5: Enforcing roles! ZOS needs to do this, so the game can thrive on the intended roles, instead of leaving everyone with bad dungeon experiences.

6: (posted this before) A rebirth system, where we can choose 1 skill bar from another class(maximum), but we have to relevel from level 1 again. Rebirthing can only be done at level 50, can be done as often as we want, and we can change the chosen skillbar whenever we rebirth. This would allow for hybrid gameplay, and for many more post-50 gameplay options. This shouldn't actually be that hard to implement, as the skills and classes to choose from are already available. (Maybe allow this through Vivec, after completing the Vvardenfell questline.)

7: No more year-long stories, and no more stories in dungeons. Though this seems great on paper, in reality, if we do not like the year-long adventure, we know we will be stuck with it for another year. And stories in dungeons are just wasted, as everyone wants dungeons done fast.

8: Separate PvP balancing from PvE balancing.

LesserCircle wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

ThreeXB wrote: »

1) make green CP tree ALL passives, really no reason to drive for CP past 1600. Really no real return on last 2000 CP seems pretty silly personally

2) Make achievement points do something. Every 500 ( or 1000 ) achievement points should unlock something

3) like daily rewards add monthly, 6 month, yearly rewards, etc

Just a couple ideas

The first idea is great, the 2nd and 3rd ideas I do not like much. As that would make players feel they miss out on something if they do not put in the maximum effort. With maximum effort I mean chasing achievements, or logging in every day.

4: Personally I would like to see +10 base bank slots per mount, and +5 accountwide inventory slots per non-combat pet. This would give players more incentive to both buy those, and chase the achievements for those. This would also make sure older/more spending accounts will have plenty of storage space.

5: Enforcing roles! ZOS needs to do this, so the game can thrive on the intended roles, instead of leaving everyone with bad dungeon experiences.

6: (posted this before) A rebirth system, where we can choose 1 skill bar from another class(maximum), but we have to relevel from level 1 again. Rebirthing can only be done at level 50, can be done as often as we want, and we can change the chosen skillbar whenever we rebirth. This would allow for hybrid gameplay, and for many more post-50 gameplay options. This shouldn't actually be that hard to implement, as the skills and classes to choose from are already available. (Maybe allow this through Vivec, after completing the Vvardenfell questline.)

7: No more year-long stories, and no more stories in dungeons. Though this seems great on paper, in reality, if we do not like the year-long adventure, we know we will be stuck with it for another year. And stories in dungeons are just wasted, as everyone wants dungeons done fast.

8: Separate PvP balancing from PvE balancing.

Number 7 hits on the nail for me, 5 too. We reaaally need those.

Alternative to number 7 is having story mode dungeons for solo play (or play with companion) without gear rewards so those of us who really want to enjoy the stories can enjoy them. This has been requested frequently.

Forgot this one:

9: Remove the 3600 CP cap, make it truly endless.

Agree with making the green tree passives. At this point, I have hundreds of 'resting' CP points since I don't change roles/slotted CP around and all the ones I need and all passives are maxed.

One current advantage for vets I will point out is endeavors. Go kill 10 xx critters? I know exactly where to find them and my character has been been everywhere so getting around is easy. I'm sure I'd find endeavors a lot more time consuming if I was a new player with a new character.

Fix the Timbercrow Wanderer costume. Only vets who have adequate blood or treasure have it, it ain't cheap and it is notably bugged around the butt area.

Implement some simple QOL things that vets have patiently watched being asking for - for years. Things that are not really contested at all like ability to hide shoulders, and more warden bear skin options to join the one lonely gray one since the system and skins are already in the game.

Sarannah wrote: »

ThreeXB wrote: »

1) make green CP tree ALL passives, really no reason to drive for CP past 1600. Having no real return on last 2000 CP seems pretty silly personally

2) Make achievement points do something. Every 500 ( or 1000 ) achievement points should unlock something

3) like daily rewards add monthly, 6 month, yearly rewards, etc

Just a couple ideas

The first idea is great, the 2nd and 3rd ideas I do not like much. As that would make players feel they miss out on something if they do not put in the maximum effort. With maximum effort I mean chasing achievements, or logging in every day.

4: Personally I would like to see +10 base bank slots per mount, and +5 accountwide inventory slots per non-combat pet. This would give players more incentive to both buy those, and chase the achievements for those. This would also make sure older/more spending accounts will have plenty of storage space.

5: Enforcing roles! ZOS needs to do this, so the game can thrive on the intended roles, instead of leaving everyone with bad dungeon experiences.

6: (posted this before) A rebirth system, where we can choose 1 skill bar from another class(maximum), but we have to relevel from level 1 again. Rebirthing can only be done at level 50, can be done as often as we want, and we can change the chosen skillbar whenever we rebirth. This would allow for hybrid gameplay, and for many more post-50 gameplay options. This shouldn't actually be that hard to implement, as the skills and classes to choose from are already available. (Maybe allow this through Vivec, after completing the Vvardenfell questline.)

7: No more year-long stories, and no more stories in dungeons. Though this seems great on paper, in reality, if we do not like the year-long adventure, we know we will be stuck with it for another year. And stories in dungeons are just wasted, as everyone wants dungeons done fast.

8: Separate PvP balancing from PvE balancing.

#4 would absolutely be broken lol

ive barely even tried to collect mounts and pets and im at almost 50 mounts and over 100 non combat pets

with that request that would give me 500 more bank slots and 500 bag slots

...and the reason they gave us for AWA was storage limitations lol

Tandor wrote: »

Treeshka wrote: »

We really need some account rewards with these new account wide achievement implementation.

Alternatively, recognise that with the loss of character-specific achievements players have no reason to play more than one character fully through the game. That removes a key way for veteran players to keep running content, both in their own right as well as by helping others through group content. It's no wonder they now feel they have nothing to do and therefore no reason to keep playing. Account-wide achievements were a massive mistake, especially in the way they were implemented, and the players on PTS couldn't have been clearer about that.

achievements have never been a reason/lack of reason for me personally to re-run content (quests, dungeons, etc)

i dont replay quests on a lot of alts because majority of the quests do not feel like they give good rewards outside of the xp boost from completing them, many of the quests just feel like menial chores for lazy NPCs too (i primarily run the ones which are for unlocks like the harborage quests, and because its enjoyable to kill molag bal)

if i am running casual overland stuff with a friend, sure ill do the quest that they are on so that if they get stuck i can more easily see which step they are on, and i will also try not to just burn everything down so my friend can enjoy the content

for other content that is more group focused like WBs, or group dungeons, i have no problem helping people out who need to run them (for context: i like to solo WBs as a fun challenge, so if someone needs help i know i can do so; for dungeons i still have a large amount of gear to collect to fill out the collection book, ive even been running a lot of the dungeons solo because its less frustrating than dealing with randoms in the queue who want to rush everything)

i understand for some, such as yourself, that AWA has disrupted the way that you play, but for me i actually have been playing my alts almost more than my main because i dont feel shackled to play 1 toon to make achievement progress (i still use my main primarily for most content, but there is some content he is not and will never be able to succeed at without overhauling/changing his build which i do not want to do)

alberichtano wrote: »

ThreeXB wrote: »

Instead of focusing on new players I think Zos need to remember the vet players that are still here. Besides retired crown store items and jubilee cake furniture not a whole lot focuses vet players in my opinion. Do you all have any ideas that would help players stay and even bring old players back ? I have a couple ideas myself.

1) make green CP tree ALL passives, really no reason to drive for CP past 1600. Having no real return on last 2000 CP seems pretty silly personally

2) Make achievement points do something. Every 500 ( or 1000 ) achievement points should unlock something

3) like daily rewards add monthly, 6 month, yearly rewards, etc

Just a couple ideas

I would not make all green tree stars passives. But I sure would make a lot more of them passive, sure. The fishing ones, the double furniture plan one for example could easily be passives. Far from everyone goes around fishing, and the stars supporting fishing are more QoL than anything else - it gives no real advantage in combat or other major game mechanics. Just shortens fishing time. To spend time changing stars and CP setups to get them almost takes more time than it is worth, so, yeah, passive.

The sneak and speed ones should stay active though, as they do affect gameplay more directly.

Not sure about the crafting/harvesting ones... I wouldn't weep if they were turned passive, but then I am not sure what most of my alts would put as actives instead.

I leave my green ones on harvesting and riding boosts (the last part new for me). It is a waste for all the other things, in my view. I want to be able to harvest with any of my alts, not just specific ones. Too much hassle to change out, making the other options worthless.

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Competitive PvP matchmaking would be a good start 👀

I would find PvP much more compelling if I could play with others who suck like I do rather than getting ganked all the time by those who live to grief others.

I would argue that this harms PvP as much as other (serious) PvP issues!

What would get me to play more is if I could still replay my alts like I was pre UD33.
No, we won't forget this travesty any time soon ZoS.

ADD THREE MORE CHARACTER SLOTS!

We have been stuck at 18 max for what, half the lifespan of the game?

WoW gives you 54.

Make it at least 21 and watch the veteran players flood back in (along with the crown purchases).

This is such a no-brainer moneymaker I can't believe I have to even type it.

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

ThreeXB wrote: »

1) make green CP tree ALL passives, really no reason to drive for CP past 1600. Having no real return on last 2000 CP seems pretty silly personally

2) Make achievement points do something. Every 500 ( or 1000 ) achievement points should unlock something

3) like daily rewards add monthly, 6 month, yearly rewards, etc

Just a couple ideas

The first idea is great, the 2nd and 3rd ideas I do not like much. As that would make players feel they miss out on something if they do not put in the maximum effort. With maximum effort I mean chasing achievements, or logging in every day.

4: Personally I would like to see +10 base bank slots per mount, and +5 accountwide inventory slots per non-combat pet. This would give players more incentive to both buy those, and chase the achievements for those. This would also make sure older/more spending accounts will have plenty of storage space.

5: Enforcing roles! ZOS needs to do this, so the game can thrive on the intended roles, instead of leaving everyone with bad dungeon experiences.

6: (posted this before) A rebirth system, where we can choose 1 skill bar from another class(maximum), but we have to relevel from level 1 again. Rebirthing can only be done at level 50, can be done as often as we want, and we can change the chosen skillbar whenever we rebirth. This would allow for hybrid gameplay, and for many more post-50 gameplay options. This shouldn't actually be that hard to implement, as the skills and classes to choose from are already available. (Maybe allow this through Vivec, after completing the Vvardenfell questline.)

7: No more year-long stories, and no more stories in dungeons. Though this seems great on paper, in reality, if we do not like the year-long adventure, we know we will be stuck with it for another year. And stories in dungeons are just wasted, as everyone wants dungeons done fast.

8: Separate PvP balancing from PvE balancing.

#4 would absolutely be broken lol

ive barely even tried to collect mounts and pets and im at almost 50 mounts and over 100 non combat pets

with that request that would give me 500 more bank slots and 500 bag slots

...and the reason they gave us for AWA was storage limitations lol

Well, the longer you play and pay, the more storage you use and need. So it would not be overpowered. And at some point in the game, ZOS will have to find a way to massively lift those storage restrictions. If they don't, that would sink the game. Take houseguests as an example, why would players buy those if they cannot even place them inside their houses, due to the limitation. The only way for the game to truly move forward is to find a way to fix/lift those storage limitations. **Note: As mentioned, many pets and mounts are available to new players, so this would not be pay-to-win.**

And I agree with @Xinihp , we need more character slots. Many more!
10: More character slots! Atleast 50.

PS: I am against handing out radiant apex's as rewards, for anything.