divnyi wrote: »

It would ruin the item because everyone already have named buffs anyway.

That's what I've said before. Potentially interesting item that can create dozens of new ways to play the game would be ruined to the ground and left in the overnerfed garbage heap just because WW interaction.

It should either be disabled for WW, or deliberately described what would happen in WW case: limit number of skills on the bar to 3.

Considering that we have examples of people hitting 120k+ dps on the PTS with this ring it seems to be overperforming across the board not just WW. It still provides buffs that 2 bar builds would be running on their backbar freeing up slots on much needed bar space on a 1bar build

Werewolves cannot taunt, heal others or do good AOE damage, thus making them a solo grind build, and overland is already easy enough. I see no harm in this ring on werewolves. Werewolf transformation lasts for like 50 sec? before feedings, so its not even enough to parse 150k DPS on a dummy.

I agree that it needs to be adjusted, and not just for werewolf, but in general it is very strong on several builds. Maybe, depending on the values, give werewolf a little less than that new nerfed value on tooltip. Honestly, it should be obvious that werewolf is underperforming or unpopular due to its horrible pick rate in all content (people tend to play OP stuff, cite SSorc pve, magdk pvp, magplar).

It clearly isn’t near the level of OP that the majority uses to describe it as, and, this is certainly attributed to the atrociously overpowered patch or so they had years ago that gave them this bad rep.

So yes, it should still work with werewolf, at a reduced rate after nerf.

Here we go again...

A bit of preface, I've played Werewolf through the highs and lows over the past 3 years in both PvE and PvP. I'm mostly geared towards higher end PvE (Vet Trials & HM DLC Dungeons) but have played a good chunck of PvP as a wolf to have an experienced opinion on the matter.

Reposting what I posted in the last thread since my opinions haven't changed. One new piece of info is that Skinny Checks did a parse w/ the Oakensoul equipped and was able to get 110k. So for PvE concerns, it would help, but Werewolves even with this ring are still 15 - 20k behind the best builds.

Even if built specifically for transforming into a Werewolf, it is almost always a detriment to yourself to do so.

In PvE, Werewolf lags behind every single other dps by a huge margin. In the current patch, each class can do 20 - 30+k more compared to a werewolf. If played just about perfectly, they can just barely hit 100k. Just about every other class can hit 120 - 130k. On top of dealing less damage than every other class, you have to deal with an annoying feed mechanic which is constantly draining. Are you in a trial waiting on your raid lead to finish explaining the mechs to the new guys? Guess what, your starting that fight in your suboptimal human form. (And if your using the new mythic, you'd be stuck in human form w/ 1 bar.)
Werewolf tanks can be amusing and even fun, however they bring nothing new to the table and are forced to dedicate 5 pieces of armor to do the job. But even if it can do the job, the base classes can still do a superior job have significantly better pulling ability.

In PVP, Werewolves have been a joke for a quite a while. On more than one occasion I've heard Werewolves referred to as free AP. They are pretty much forced to build full tank to try and survive which in turn makes them do very little damage. If they do try and build damage, they're going to get slaughtered by experienced players. While just about every other class can build defensive on one bar and offensive on another, Werewolves do not have such a luxury. Oh, and just for fun, the fighters guild skills including the common Dawnbreaker ultimate do extra damage to you as well as poison skills (including the ever so popular Plaguebreak). You may be go on rampages in low mmr pvp, but once you start climbing that ladder you'll quickly be put in your place below their boot... This problem is even more evident when you factor in group play vs coordinated teams where a Werewolf doesn't really have much to contribute.

For those claiming this would be OP on a Werewolf, I challenge you to go play Werewolf in some serious content. Go try a vet trial or romp around in Cyrodiil to get a taste of what its really like.

This ring might allow for Werewolves to have a bit of a presence again, but at best its a band-aide which would allow Werewolves to be a bit more competitive than they currently are.

The only place I can see this ring being problematic is if they decided to buff Werewolves to address some of the many problems they currently have. However, Werewolves have been pretty neglected for quite some time (they even had a bug that lasted for 2 (3?) patches where they sometimes couldn't revive teammates!) so I doubt this will be of any concern.

Why are people trying to nerf werewolf when no one use them in ANY content again? Meanwhile broken classes/sets stay broken.

GetAgrippa wrote: »

ixthUA wrote: »

Werewolves cannot taunt, heal others or do good AOE damage, thus making them a solo grind build, and overland is already easy enough. I see no harm in this ring on werewolves. Werewolf transformation lasts for like 50 sec? before feedings, so its not even enough to parse 150k DPS on a dummy.

Pvp is a thing and people have WW builds that stay transformed indefinitely.

God forbid a single mythic not be useful for a singular build.

Hey, werewolf PvE/PvP player here. I personally think that the Oakensoul Ring's stats should scale off of maximum resources, like so: damage and critical chance should scale off of Max Stamina, armor and health recovery should scale off of Max Health, and magicka/stamina recovery should scale off of Max Magicka.

If these stats scaled off of your maximum resources, then all users of this mythic item, werewolves and otherwise, would not benefit from the full potential of all of these stats at the same time, which would tone down the effectiveness of the set across the board, while promoting build diversity. My suggestion would allow users to stack Stamina for dealing damage, stack Health for being tankier, or stack Magicka for being a support role, but not all three at once, as it would be difficult to reach the maximum values of the set due to the high requirements of each resource type.

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Hey, werewolf PvE/PvP player here. I personally think that the Oakensoul Ring's stats should scale off of maximum resources, like so: damage and critical chance should scale off of Max Stamina, armor and health recovery should scale off of Max Health, and magicka/stamina recovery should scale off of Max Magicka.

If these stats scaled off of your maximum resources, then all users of this mythic item, werewolves and otherwise, would not benefit from the full potential of all of these stats at the same time, which would tone down the effectiveness of the set across the board, while promoting build diversity. My suggestion would allow users to stack Stamina for dealing damage, stack Health for being tankier, or stack Magicka for being a support role, but not all three at once, as it would be difficult to reach the maximum values of the set due to the high requirements of each resource type.

This is a clever solution.

It's basically the same with 5-pc and 2-pc set bonuses today. They scale with the appropriate stat.

With the limited testing I did I can say that it certainly makes werewolves extremely strong. And I don't entirely dislike this. Oddly enough both myself AND the person I was testing with both forgot to assign our Werewolf passives at one point. At first I thought they had stealth nerfed the time limit for staying in WW form. So I can say this much - I really don't think it would be a problem for Werewolves if the passive that extends the time in Werewolf form was disabled or at least severely limited.

Long-story-short - I think a compromise can be made. Sudden bursts of extreme power while in Werewolf form are very strong and can be made fair by limiting the time they can stay in that form. Now they have to decide if they want to stay in Wolf form forever (useful in packs) or have a limited time in Werewolf form where they can absolutely dominate anyone that doesn't know how to kite and defend for a good 15-20 seconds (useful for solo wolves). I think it would be fair to also have the ring reduce the cost of Werewolf form slightly if this were made the case (but only slightly!!)

sneakymitchell wrote: »

In pvp w nightblade can just go invisible and waste the WW timer same goes for other players drink invisible potion at the right time and watch them lose WW time while they try waste resources searching for you

WW doesn't end in 8 sec of invisibility.
Also detection pot.

1 item:
After using an Ultimate grants the following stats for 2 minutes:
Adds 450 Weapon and Spell Damage
Adds 5280 Armor
Adds 450 Health Recovery
Adds 450 Magicka Recovery
Adds 450 Stamina Recovery
Adds 3737 Maximum Health
Adds 3737 Maximum Magicka
Adds 3737 Maximum Stamina
Adds 1973 Critical Chance
Grants Minor Uncertainty
While equipped, you are unable to swap between your Primary and Backup Weapon Sets.

bigrodthebeast wrote: »

I used to run WW tanks all the time. However, after the nerf they were honestly useless. I feel like this mythic would allow me to bring them back. I believe it should stand as is.

Ofc it would, it's OP on WW's. Many say WW's are in bad shape right now. Same goes to all classes except mDK and Magplar, but should it be fixed by item? Nope. We need specific buffs for specific classes and palystyles.

I don't mind Oakensoul to work with WWs as long as it's limited to PvE but when it goes to PvP, you know what's going to happen? You all think "Finally I'll be able to wreck havoc with my WW, yes!". Then you will enter BG/Cyro/IC and all you will see will be 100 other people who thought the same, all playing unkillable werewolves with the same builds. Sounds fun?

Remember that it will be used against you to and you will have to deal with it, that's why balancing it is important.

Mayrael wrote: »

Then you will enter BG/Cyro/IC and all you will see will be 100 other people who thought the same, all playing unkillable werewolves with the same builds. Sounds fun?

"Unkillable Werewolf" lol

The situation you described may happen, but for a week or two. Maybe more because it will take some time for the people to farm the leads. But after a while people will stop using it as at least some of them will realise they are only gimping themselves.

Personally I think Oakensoul should either be useable by everyone or no one. We are all eso players. We are all part of the same community. Just because I play PvE and I am not interested in PvP doesn't mean PvP player or some classes or anything should be excluded from the community & not enjoy new content & gear. Dividng player base and especially dwindling PvP player base is the worst that can happen.

And how many PvP-ers still use WW ? I guess a still a few - but less & less. In a "server scale" I guess it is maybe a few hundred or less - and that is speaking very optimistically as I have not even seen 100 WW players in total if I would count every single player I saw in various content (both PvE & PvE).

To me it looks like players kinda want to keep OP gear set for themselves, because they are worried that it is gonna get nerfed because of someone else will be using it in different content. If a gear set is OP it deserves a nerf - content does not matter here. Anyway, I would be surprised if Oakensoul would reach live server in its current state. WW or not. PvE or PvP - no gear should be this good. Sure - we have insanely broken proc sets (DC & PB) - but it should not be a justification of introducing more & more powerful sets.

I 100% expect it to get nerfed. It is just too good. Usually biggest changes happen on the PTS week 3, so I expect to see some nerfs. More precisely I think they will return it back to the "original" stats that Oakensoul apparently had on the "early preview" server: