robpr wrote: »

You got guaranteed stun on Slab projectile, minor breach on Deep Fissure and 300 wd/sd on Northern Storm. I think it's a fair tradeoff.

• Northern Storm costs too much to out dps any other viable option. It comes nowhere close to the dps bear gives, a damage buff won't cover that so Wardens are still shoehorned into a bear that is really good, but also really dumb sometimes. Hit or miss.
• Stam Bear is now objectively better than mag bear in pve end game as it deals more damage and constantly applies the hemorphaging status effect. Damage trumps the ability to res twice when bears don't die in group instanced based pve.
• Stam Shalks offers double damage per cast AND allows you to cast 1 extra ability of something else like a spammable. So it not only does 100% more damage, it's really 170-200% more depending on what skill you end up casting. Named debuffs/buffs only really become useful in pvp. There is still no reason to use mag Shalks over stam.
• Arctic Blast, still not worth it for pve as the duration is too short - however, it stuns/heals so it's an uphill battle trying to get the skill to be pve worth when it's utility centric as well.

• Mag bear is I GUESS better than stam bear, but this point is mute because if you're using bear in pvp, you've basically put a giant target on your back saying I don't know what I'm doing. I'm sorry, but it's not a good pvp ult to use.
• Warden's still lack an on demand stun they can use to time burst properly. Do you know what happens when you stun someone before you've lined up your combo? They get 7 seconds of free immunity to do whatever they want. Not only is Arctic Blast more RNG dependant as it takes 5 ticks instead of 3, have fun counting by the way.. but their answer to an on demand hard CC with slab is based on being attacked and based on a projectile. Thats not on demand. My stam sorc doesn't have a single projectile so it effectively means nothing to my build and I'm sure there are ton of others that have no projectiles either so they still need to rely on Arctic Blast.
• Northern Storm is definitely better for pvp than it's previous itteration, but it's still nothing exceptional.. utility usually trumps damage buffs like that, which is why no one uses Flawless Dawnbreaker instead of Dawnbreaker of Smiting, even if they already have a hard CC.
• Mag Shalks is now better for pvp with minor breach, but I still think they should of went a different direction here. The freedom to have 2 shalks for 1 cast on the stamina morph is huge on a class that is tied to constant buff management. It's a tricky subject because stam shalks is in a good place, but Idk, this is not the change imo. I would of prefered something like a small damage decrease, but 2 casts and it still provides major breach. Maybe thats a bad idea, but you get where I'm going with it.

MentalxHammer wrote: »

So does deep fissure provide major and minor breech or JUST minor breech?