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Nerf mdk plars and sorcs when?
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Literally 90% of bg presence is this 3 classes (2 classes and 1 spec), hilarious damage, healing and tankiness with 0 weak sides...
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✭Nerf sorcs? What? Sorcs already got nerfed and they're now bottom barrel for both mag and stam specsSolo PvP'er PS5 NA player
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Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nerf sorcs? What? Sorcs already got nerfed and they're now bottom barrel for both mag and stam specs
In BGs on my server that's definitely not true, MagSorc is most certainly doing just fine, but they don't need a nerf either. Once all other game modes besides Chaosball are finally deleted like they should be their kill-stealing potential won't so easily lead to a win.Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast1 -
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✭OP change Sorc to MagCro and Plar to MagPlar in your title and watch the Agrees pile up.
I think the most interesting avenue for this discussion is the difference between these 3 Mag classes and their Stam counterparts. I'm still in the old patch though.Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast1 -
Falcon_of_light✭✭✭TechMaybeHic wrote: »That's literally half the classes.
50% of classes and 90% of pvp presence... [snip]
[edited for minor baiting]Edited by ZOS_Icy on April 18, 2022 6:03PM2 -
TechMaybeHic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭That's literally half the classes.Falcon_of_light wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »That's literally half the classes.
50% of classes and 90% of pvp presence... [snip]
I guess not. That last one was not the imaginary numbers I remember
Edit: Ohh. You're talking battle grounds which has maybe the lowest participation of anything in game. Yeah. Don't care.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on April 18, 2022 6:04PM21 -
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✭Urzigurumash wrote: »Nerf sorcs? What? Sorcs already got nerfed and they're now bottom barrel for both mag and stam specs
In BGs on my server that's definitely not true, MagSorc is most certainly doing just fine, but they don't need a nerf either. Once all other game modes besides Chaosball are finally deleted like they should be their kill-stealing potential won't so easily lead to a win.
magsorc is most definitely bottom of the barrel.
They are worse than Magcro harmony convergence specs which are more plentiful than sorcs, MagDK, and Magplar. That puts them at the bottom of the barrel. Even MagNB is better at this point. Only warden is at the same level as magsorc
Magsorc IS a good class, I enjoy mag sorc but it's without a doubt one of the worst of the mag classes right now probably one of the lowest specs generally speaking outside of No CP. Being the worst of the specs doesn't mean it's a bad class, it's just comparatively worse to almost every other class, which is unfortunately true.Solo PvP'er PS5 NA player
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Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭Urzigurumash wrote: »Nerf sorcs? What? Sorcs already got nerfed and they're now bottom barrel for both mag and stam specs
In BGs on my server that's definitely not true, MagSorc is most certainly doing just fine, but they don't need a nerf either. Once all other game modes besides Chaosball are finally deleted like they should be their kill-stealing potential won't so easily lead to a win.
magsorc is most definitely bottom of the barrel.
They are worse than Magcro harmony convergence specs which are more plentiful than sorcs, MagDK, and Magplar. That puts them at the bottom of the barrel. Even MagNB is better at this point. Only warden is at the same level as magsorc
Magsorc IS a good class, I enjoy mag sorc but it's without a doubt one of the worst of the mag classes right now probably one of the lowest specs generally speaking outside of No CP. Being the worst of the specs doesn't mean it's a bad class, it's just comparatively worse to almost every other class, which is unfortunately true.
I'm talking about balance between all 12 classes in Xbox NA Senior BGs. I would be surprised if anybody there would agree with you that MagSorc is tied for worst. Perhaps things are different on PS. Probably a fairly small sample size in Senior BGs on any server. If you're talking about how MagSorc isn't as strong in Solo OW as it used to be, I agree, but most Stam classes are quite bad at 1vX nowadays compared to MagPlar or MagDK. Maybe a year ago or so I thought StamCro was the best at 1vX, not any more, not even close.
Edited by Urzigurumash on March 19, 2022 12:37AMXbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast0 -
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✭a pvper asking for nerfs, here we go again....
OP:
1 make a mdk plars and sorcs yourself
2 accetp that some classes are better than yours
3 [snip]
4 change game and stop asking for nerfs
[edited for minor baiting]Edited by ZOS_Icy on April 18, 2022 6:06PMPC-EU17 -
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✭There's nothing wrong with asking for better class balance. When 2 to 3 classes have drastically bigger advantages over the rest, it's bad for the game. Having said that, sorcs are not one of them.I drink and I stream things.3 -
LordeGian✭✭I will definitely always be on the side of the thought that balancing the game is the best option... ESO likes to play however it wants so everything should be balanced.
I fully agree that MagDK and Magplar were much stronger than the other classes, and now with the hybridization of skills, Stamknight and Stamplar are also at the top along with their magicka versions, maybe even stronger due to the use of medium armor passives. .. It's easy to find players with absurd heals and speeds so fast that it's impossible to hit them next to a rock.0 -
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✭TheEndBringer wrote: »There's nothing wrong with asking for better class balance. When 2 to 3 classes have drastically bigger advantages over the rest, it's bad for the game. Having said that, sorcs are not one of them.
Magplars might have advantages in pvp but not in pve, they have the lowest dps this patch and they provide one only minor buff to the group.
Pvp takes what, 5% of the population of this game? You are asking for nerfs that can ruin the game for the remaining 95% of the player base, the same posts pop up about dks, nbs, sorcs, necros, skills, sets, monster sets, procs, etc.... and that's why people hate pvpers.
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✭TheEndBringer wrote: »There's nothing wrong with asking for better class balance. When 2 to 3 classes have drastically bigger advantages over the rest, it's bad for the game. Having said that, sorcs are not one of them.
Magplars might have advantages in pvp but not in pve, they have the lowest dps this patch and they provide one only minor buff to the group.
Pvp takes what, 5% of the population of this game? You are asking for nerfs that can ruin the game for the remaining 95% of the player base, the same posts pop up about dks, nbs, sorcs, necros, skills, sets, monster sets, procs, etc.... and that's why people hate pvpers.
Just stop asking for nerfs!
So we should just freeze everything like it is now because it currently benefits templar and DK players?
No one is complaining about templar or dk damage. They're complaining about the insane mitigation and healing. Neither of those help your DPS on a dummy.
Also it's not 5% of the population. No one knows the exact amount of people who only play PvE, only pvp, or do both. Most people do both to one degree or another. Besides, just go into Cyrodiil during prime time on your platform. That's not counting IC or BGs. It's a lot of people. I understand your concern, but PvErs who never step foot into any pvp zones are much less than you think. Honestly I'd say it's way lower but I have no actual data to back that up, same as you.Edited by DrSlaughtr on March 23, 2022 12:43AMI drink and I stream things.2 -
Falcon_of_light✭✭✭TheEndBringer wrote: »There's nothing wrong with asking for better class balance. When 2 to 3 classes have drastically bigger advantages over the rest, it's bad for the game. Having said that, sorcs are not one of them.
Magplars might have advantages in pvp but not in pve, they have the lowest dps this patch and they provide one only minor buff to the group.
Pvp takes what, 5% of the population of this game? You are asking for nerfs that can ruin the game for the remaining 95% of the player base, the same posts pop up about dks, nbs, sorcs, necros, skills, sets, monster sets, procs, etc.... and that's why people hate pvpers.
Just stop asking for nerfs!
So u will play soon as dk with dk against dk with 3k population on megaserver after few month of this [snip], cause i refuse to play when BROKEN *** just faceroll the game.
[Edited for Hate Speech]Edited by Psiion on March 24, 2022 8:39PM1 -
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✭Urzigurumash wrote: »Urzigurumash wrote: »Nerf sorcs? What? Sorcs already got nerfed and they're now bottom barrel for both mag and stam specs
In BGs on my server that's definitely not true, MagSorc is most certainly doing just fine, but they don't need a nerf either. Once all other game modes besides Chaosball are finally deleted like they should be their kill-stealing potential won't so easily lead to a win.
magsorc is most definitely bottom of the barrel.
They are worse than Magcro harmony convergence specs which are more plentiful than sorcs, MagDK, and Magplar. That puts them at the bottom of the barrel. Even MagNB is better at this point. Only warden is at the same level as magsorc
Magsorc IS a good class, I enjoy mag sorc but it's without a doubt one of the worst of the mag classes right now probably one of the lowest specs generally speaking outside of No CP. Being the worst of the specs doesn't mean it's a bad class, it's just comparatively worse to almost every other class, which is unfortunately true.
I'm talking about balance between all 12 classes in Xbox NA Senior BGs. I would be surprised if anybody there would agree with you that MagSorc is tied for worst. Perhaps things are different on PS. Probably a fairly small sample size in Senior BGs on any server. If you're talking about how MagSorc isn't as strong in Solo OW as it used to be, I agree, but most Stam classes are quite bad at 1vX nowadays compared to MagPlar or MagDK. Maybe a year ago or so I thought StamCro was the best at 1vX, not any more, not even close.
How I feel about magsorc is the same way I feel about stamNB, in both cases you can get on both classes and have high damage but having high damage doesn't always mean you perform well on the class. That's the appeal of the class and why there's a lot on it, but the actual skill floor is pretty high to be successful on it. It's surprising in BG's how many Magsorcerers I see don't even use any armor buff because they have pets as a meatshieldSolo PvP'er PS5 NA player
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✭Urzigurumash wrote: »Urzigurumash wrote: »Nerf sorcs? What? Sorcs already got nerfed and they're now bottom barrel for both mag and stam specs
In BGs on my server that's definitely not true, MagSorc is most certainly doing just fine, but they don't need a nerf either. Once all other game modes besides Chaosball are finally deleted like they should be their kill-stealing potential won't so easily lead to a win.
magsorc is most definitely bottom of the barrel.
They are worse than Magcro harmony convergence specs which are more plentiful than sorcs, MagDK, and Magplar. That puts them at the bottom of the barrel. Even MagNB is better at this point. Only warden is at the same level as magsorc
Magsorc IS a good class, I enjoy mag sorc but it's without a doubt one of the worst of the mag classes right now probably one of the lowest specs generally speaking outside of No CP. Being the worst of the specs doesn't mean it's a bad class, it's just comparatively worse to almost every other class, which is unfortunately true.
I'm talking about balance between all 12 classes in Xbox NA Senior BGs. I would be surprised if anybody there would agree with you that MagSorc is tied for worst. Perhaps things are different on PS. Probably a fairly small sample size in Senior BGs on any server. If you're talking about how MagSorc isn't as strong in Solo OW as it used to be, I agree, but most Stam classes are quite bad at 1vX nowadays compared to MagPlar or MagDK. Maybe a year ago or so I thought StamCro was the best at 1vX, not any more, not even close.
How I feel about magsorc is the same way I feel about stamNB, in both cases you can get on both classes and have high damage but having high damage doesn't always mean you perform well on the class. That's the appeal of the class and why there's a lot on it, but the actual skill floor is pretty high to be successful on it. It's surprising in BG's how many Magsorcerers I see don't even use any armor buff because they have pets as a meatshield
Yeah I don't know why anyone would lump sorcs with templars, DKs and necros on performance.I drink and I stream things.0 -
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✭IrishJack72 wrote: »60% of the time mdk plars and sorcs win every time 😉
That's a funny reference, but I imagine some people aren't gonna get it and think you're serious lolSolo PvP'er PS5 NA player
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✭TheEndBringer wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »There's nothing wrong with asking for better class balance. When 2 to 3 classes have drastically bigger advantages over the rest, it's bad for the game. Having said that, sorcs are not one of them.
Magplars might have advantages in pvp but not in pve, they have the lowest dps this patch and they provide one only minor buff to the group.
Pvp takes what, 5% of the population of this game? You are asking for nerfs that can ruin the game for the remaining 95% of the player base, the same posts pop up about dks, nbs, sorcs, necros, skills, sets, monster sets, procs, etc.... and that's why people hate pvpers.
Just stop asking for nerfs!
So we should just freeze everything like it is now because it currently benefits templar and DK players?
No one is complaining about templar or dk damage. They're complaining about the insane mitigation and healing. Neither of those help your DPS on a dummy.
Also it's not 5% of the population. No one knows the exact amount of people who only play PvE, only pvp, or do both. Most people do both to one degree or another. Besides, just go into Cyrodiil during prime time on your platform. That's not counting IC or BGs. It's a lot of people. I understand your concern, but PvErs who never step foot into any pvp zones are much less than you think. Honestly I'd say it's way lower but I have no actual data to back that up, same as you.
Most people I know have never even tried Cyrodiil, and I don't know anyone who has done battlegrounds. Certainly nobody in my 5 guilds is ever doing PvP.1 -
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✭✭TheEndBringer wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »There's nothing wrong with asking for better class balance. When 2 to 3 classes have drastically bigger advantages over the rest, it's bad for the game. Having said that, sorcs are not one of them.
Magplars might have advantages in pvp but not in pve, they have the lowest dps this patch and they provide one only minor buff to the group.
Pvp takes what, 5% of the population of this game? You are asking for nerfs that can ruin the game for the remaining 95% of the player base, the same posts pop up about dks, nbs, sorcs, necros, skills, sets, monster sets, procs, etc.... and that's why people hate pvpers.
Just stop asking for nerfs!
So we should just freeze everything like it is now because it currently benefits templar and DK players?
No one is complaining about templar or dk damage. They're complaining about the insane mitigation and healing. Neither of those help your DPS on a dummy.
Also it's not 5% of the population. No one knows the exact amount of people who only play PvE, only pvp, or do both. Most people do both to one degree or another. Besides, just go into Cyrodiil during prime time on your platform. That's not counting IC or BGs. It's a lot of people. I understand your concern, but PvErs who never step foot into any pvp zones are much less than you think. Honestly I'd say it's way lower but I have no actual data to back that up, same as you.
Most people I know have never even tried Cyrodiil, and I don't know anyone who has done battlegrounds. Certainly nobody in my 5 guilds is ever doing PvP.
Your guilds are focused on PvE only. Is it really a surprise that your guildies haven’t done PvP content?
This is known as an echo chamber.1 -
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✭TheEndBringer wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »There's nothing wrong with asking for better class balance. When 2 to 3 classes have drastically bigger advantages over the rest, it's bad for the game. Having said that, sorcs are not one of them.
Magplars might have advantages in pvp but not in pve, they have the lowest dps this patch and they provide one only minor buff to the group.
Pvp takes what, 5% of the population of this game? You are asking for nerfs that can ruin the game for the remaining 95% of the player base, the same posts pop up about dks, nbs, sorcs, necros, skills, sets, monster sets, procs, etc.... and that's why people hate pvpers.
Just stop asking for nerfs!
So we should just freeze everything like it is now because it currently benefits templar and DK players?
No one is complaining about templar or dk damage. They're complaining about the insane mitigation and healing. Neither of those help your DPS on a dummy.
Also it's not 5% of the population. No one knows the exact amount of people who only play PvE, only pvp, or do both. Most people do both to one degree or another. Besides, just go into Cyrodiil during prime time on your platform. That's not counting IC or BGs. It's a lot of people. I understand your concern, but PvErs who never step foot into any pvp zones are much less than you think. Honestly I'd say it's way lower but I have no actual data to back that up, same as you.
Most people I know have never even tried Cyrodiil, and I don't know anyone who has done battlegrounds. Certainly nobody in my 5 guilds is ever doing PvP.
Your guilds are focused on PvE only. Is it really a surprise that your guildies haven’t done PvP content?
This is known as an echo chamber.
It's a known fact that PvP in ESO is participated in by a marginal amount of players.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TheEndBringer wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »There's nothing wrong with asking for better class balance. When 2 to 3 classes have drastically bigger advantages over the rest, it's bad for the game. Having said that, sorcs are not one of them.
Magplars might have advantages in pvp but not in pve, they have the lowest dps this patch and they provide one only minor buff to the group.
Pvp takes what, 5% of the population of this game? You are asking for nerfs that can ruin the game for the remaining 95% of the player base, the same posts pop up about dks, nbs, sorcs, necros, skills, sets, monster sets, procs, etc.... and that's why people hate pvpers.
Just stop asking for nerfs!
So we should just freeze everything like it is now because it currently benefits templar and DK players?
No one is complaining about templar or dk damage. They're complaining about the insane mitigation and healing. Neither of those help your DPS on a dummy.
Also it's not 5% of the population. No one knows the exact amount of people who only play PvE, only pvp, or do both. Most people do both to one degree or another. Besides, just go into Cyrodiil during prime time on your platform. That's not counting IC or BGs. It's a lot of people. I understand your concern, but PvErs who never step foot into any pvp zones are much less than you think. Honestly I'd say it's way lower but I have no actual data to back that up, same as you.
Most people I know have never even tried Cyrodiil, and I don't know anyone who has done battlegrounds. Certainly nobody in my 5 guilds is ever doing PvP.
Your guilds are focused on PvE only. Is it really a surprise that your guildies haven’t done PvP content?
This is known as an echo chamber.
It's a known fact that PvP in ESO is participated in by a marginal amount of players.
It also cycles through players, same with PvE. I know people who enjoy both activities and will float between them on a whim to keep the game engaging. Focusing on one piece of content only is a good way to lead to burnout sooner.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK1 -
The_Lex✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TheEndBringer wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »There's nothing wrong with asking for better class balance. When 2 to 3 classes have drastically bigger advantages over the rest, it's bad for the game. Having said that, sorcs are not one of them.
Magplars might have advantages in pvp but not in pve, they have the lowest dps this patch and they provide one only minor buff to the group.
Pvp takes what, 5% of the population of this game? You are asking for nerfs that can ruin the game for the remaining 95% of the player base, the same posts pop up about dks, nbs, sorcs, necros, skills, sets, monster sets, procs, etc.... and that's why people hate pvpers.
Just stop asking for nerfs!
So we should just freeze everything like it is now because it currently benefits templar and DK players?
No one is complaining about templar or dk damage. They're complaining about the insane mitigation and healing. Neither of those help your DPS on a dummy.
Also it's not 5% of the population. No one knows the exact amount of people who only play PvE, only pvp, or do both. Most people do both to one degree or another. Besides, just go into Cyrodiil during prime time on your platform. That's not counting IC or BGs. It's a lot of people. I understand your concern, but PvErs who never step foot into any pvp zones are much less than you think. Honestly I'd say it's way lower but I have no actual data to back that up, same as you.
Most people I know have never even tried Cyrodiil, and I don't know anyone who has done battlegrounds. Certainly nobody in my 5 guilds is ever doing PvP.
Your guilds are focused on PvE only. Is it really a surprise that your guildies haven’t done PvP content?
This is known as an echo chamber.
It's a known fact that PvP in ESO is participated in by a marginal amount of players.
It also cycles through players, same with PvE. I know people who enjoy both activities and will float between them on a whim to keep the game engaging. Focusing on one piece of content only is a good way to lead to burnout sooner.
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Falcon_of_light wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »That's literally half the classes.
50% of classes and 90% of pvp presence... [snip]
3 classes having a significantly higher presence that the other 3 is not that strange in a video game and also does not necessarily indicate an imbalance in class capability. That is what variety and preference breeds, BG's is also a niche aspect of use within the game and has a different meta and fosters different playstyles to other PvP arenas. 90% also seems like a stretch.
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✭✭That's literally half the classes.Lenny_linguine wrote: »Falcon_of_light wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »That's literally half the classes.
50% of classes and 90% of pvp presence... [snip]
3 classes having a significantly higher presence that the other 3 is not that strange in a video game and also does not necessarily indicate an imbalance in class capability. That is what variety and preference breeds, BG's is also a niche aspect of use within the game and has a different meta and fosters different playstyles to other PvP arenas. 90% also seems like a stretch.
I thought 90% was off before I realized they were talking BGs. It's possible that at a given time, your might be fighting with the same 12 people in BGs. And in BGs where holding ground in the open is important, I could see Templar and DKs being favorable; but I wouldn't expect the 3rd to be sorc other than its always been hugely popular 2nd to only NB
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For the love of Kyne, buff sorc. PC NACP 2100+Star-Sïnger - Khajiit Magicka Sorc - EP Grand Overlord - Flawless Conqueror vMA/vBRP/vDSA no death/vHel Ra HM/vAA HM/vSO HM/vMoL HM/vHoF HM/vAS +2/vCR+3/vSS HMs/vKA HMs/vVH/vRG Oax HM/vDSR3 -
cro25519✭✭✭They need to make a separate PvP skill system honestly, like make the skills behave differently. PvE and PvP are so hard to balance. Load them by zone change or something tbh so that the check only has to be done once for whatever performance issues. I bet people wouldn't mind extra 5 seconds of loading into the PvP zone for the first time they enter for a more balanced PvP.
I don't think we're ever getting it since it's two systems for them to maintain, but considering the number of balance changes they do every patch honestly, I think it'd just make their lives easier instead of trying to keep them balanced every pts. Though, PvP is kinda dead so probably not happening since it's probably not worth the $$$.1 -
prof_doom✭✭✭✭✭They need to make a separate PvP skill system honestly, like make the skills behave differently. PvE and PvP are so hard to balance.
This is what everyone really wants.
The PVE centric people rightfully complain that their class got nerfed for no reason that affects them, and the PVP centric people rightfully complain about valid PVP balance issues.
Nobody is technically wrong, but they're never going to agree on the topic.
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