Get a source of major evasion.

Ah, i forgot you cant roll dodge that seems kinda busted if you think about it but i guess you gotta counter infinidodge some way.

Still i do already have major evasion and was blocking. Couldnt beat the execute

One was tough, two was impossible.

Im only just retutning to pvp after having come back from a almost 2 year hiatus about a month ago and it through me off.

The other team was coordinated too but getting mowed down by whirling blades just felt kinda cheap. Once they were on top of you without being able to roll dodge there was just no pressing an offense; a point that is more to the spirit of the question i suppose

Not how to defend against it but how to COUNTER it.

The other team was coordinated as well (at least more so than my own) and they were equally decimated.

If you're coming back after 2 years, make sure you're building tougher. Damage has gone way up generally.

Shouldn't be able to counter 4 players as one guy. Anything you could possibly do to counter them would only buy you time. Best bet would be to just stay away from team mates(so you don't get caught in the aoe) and pick them off from a distance. If you got no ranged attack then stealth over to an enemy spawn and just start spawn killing squishies. Can't beat you if you deprive them of kills and never fight them.

It's ironic that there are fewer counters to spin to win aoe execute than the nightblade's single target execute. It's why nightblades use it.

Dojohoda wrote: »

It's ironic that there are fewer counters to spin to win aoe execute than the nightblade's single target execute. It's why nightblades use it.

I try not to [snip] and moan about skills and balance in this game. But i gotta wonder who thought an aoe execute was a good idea

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OWLTHEMAD wrote: »

Dojohoda wrote: »

It's ironic that there are fewer counters to spin to win aoe execute than the nightblade's single target execute. It's why nightblades use it.

I try not to [snip] and moan about skills and balance in this game. But i gotta wonder who thought an aoe execute was a good idea

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It sounds like what's killing you is group coordination, not Whirlwind. I use whirlwind on my stamsorc—it's strong in the right moment, but not an "i win" button.

Using whirlwind when the enemy is above 50% health wastes a lot of stamina and does little damage.

As an individual, you can't do much to counter 3 players using a high-damage burst build. Having 26k-30k health and using damage shields will help you survive, as well as saving an AoE stun to slow them down—but then what? If you survive their initial assault, how do you fight them unless your groupmates are playing really well and all focusing the same player down 1-by-1?

An equally-coordinated group that is tanky, has a healer, and can coordinate ult/set drops could give them a run for their money or just wear out their stamina.

As an individual, I could only recommend waiting for them to jump on your teammate, and then trying to flip the battle. Drop your stun/ult, heal your allies, and focus on control. That would likely cut into your 1v1 potential ... because group builds counter groups.

Just throwing this out there because I haven't seen it, but should be noted.

Whirling Blades is extremely costly and not nearly as potent as single target executes. WIth it being effected by evasion, the most you'll ever see it do is 6-7k in no cp and thats if it crits. Maybe slightly more with Major Vulnerability or Incap, on average it will do 4-5k damage when someones at 20% hp.

On the flip side, Executioner, Killers Blade, Impale, Mages Wrath and Radiant Destruction regularly hit for 8-12k at 20%. They have much higher scaling and lower cost, but they're single target and therefore can be dodged. (Radiant Destruction is 8-12k every 2 ticks).

The reason people usually prefer Whirling Blades, at least right now, is because it's more friendly to an unstable connection and more reliable since it can't be dodged. When I use to use Executioner regularly about 1-2 years ago, I was able to secure kills much more frequently because it was doing 9k+, but when the performance of PVP degraded around Harrowstorms update, I couldn't stand the abilitty anymore.

Trying to execute someone at 5-10k hp who is roll dodging and line of sighting around a pebble while being forced to hit them in a 5m range will give you a brain aneurysm. Hit detection would frequently get messed up, even though it's an instant skill, my character would show the animation fire for about 200mileseconds only to cancel because the player was apparently out of range which makes no sense if it's suppose to be instant.

Now I only have a lot of experience with Executioner, but look at the other skills. Killers Blade would have the same issue. Impale and Mages Wrath have insanely long travel times and only really kill players who are unaware they're being fired on, it's fairly easy to predict and dodge those skills when you're low health. The only great single target execute left is Radiant Destruction and thats because it's busted strong as a channeled beam for fast ticks at 28m range with an insane multiplier of 500%. It's leagues ahead of Whirling Blades, but it's a different playstyle.

You can and should 100% be able to survive 1 NB ganking you with Whirling Blades, but 3, anyway you spin it, you're most likely dead. As others stated, this is not a question of balance regarding Whirling Blades, but more so to do with a coordinated group of competent NBs abusing players that don't know how to shut them out. All it would take is for 1 person to cast Lingering Flare every 10s. If even 2 people of the 8 between your 2 groups cast that, they'd be completely useless if they were relying on stealth to wombo combo you guys.

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

Whirling blades you should be able to counter with a bash. All channeling abilities should be able to bash.

Whirling blades isn't a channeled skill.

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

VarisVaris wrote: »

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

Whirling blades you should be able to counter with a bash. All channeling abilities should be able to bash.

Whirling blades isn't a channeled skill.

It should be considering how long the ability last and that is part of the problem IMO. It should have a 2 second channeling time allowing players to counter that spinning more.

Imo it should last 5 seconds, and you gain 50 percent movespeed. It hits 2 x per second (damage is halved from current value)

Beyyyyyyblaaaaades

Sun7dance wrote: »

It's really hard to counter.

Today you can only block and slot major evasion and that is no solution, sorry!

Block is the most % damage mitigation in the game.

Major evasion is easy to get, another 20%. Plus you have two 10% CP reductions that apply if you choose to slot.

Spin2Win is not what is killing you. It is the coordinated group blasting players down to execute range, then everyone swaps to pulsar and whirling blades. Vicious Death and Plaguebreak does the rest.

Leave spin to win alone.