It's not the class but the gear sets that are OP. I used this on my magika warden barely took any damage. The sets here imo are the issue when combined together. Templar just gets a bit more damage buff from minor sorcery and since it is a group buff I don't see that going away any time soon.

Yay a build that entirely crutches on Balorghs. So cool.

Appreciate you defending your build man. But without Balorghs you won't be able to solo kill any decent player. The only pen you have is from weapon passives and what, 3 pieces of light armor? So maybe around 8k? It's just not enough. Not when everyone else is capable of doing the exact same thing you are and running 30k resists.

This build probably does work, but only because of Balorghs. Take it off and you're hitting like a noodle.
This kind of tank set up works for every class because Balorghs carries.

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

Been testing using these three sets together with the following.

Race: Dark Elf
Class: Templar

Gear:

3 Heavy Pieces - Balorgh Shoulders with Pariah Chest & Legs all reinforced
3 Light Pieces - Swift Waist, hands and boots all impen
1 Meduim - Balorgh head with well fitted

Jewelry - All infused with spell damage

Primary Weapon of choice is DW hammer or 2h maul for the added pen.
Secondary: Defending Hammer and Reinforced Shield

Attributes: 4 into health the rest into magika

Foods: Sugar skulls

Mundus: Atronach

Primary Skills: Puncturing Sweep, toppling charge, Purifying Light, living dark, and radiant light
Primary Ultimate: Dawn Breaker

Secondary Skills: Honor the Dead , Blinding Flare, Degeneration, channel focus, and extended ritual
Secondary Ultimate: Replenishing Barrier

Standing still unbuffed on the primary bar this build has 4k spell damage, 22k+ physical resistance, 24k+ spell resistance, 10% damage reduction from players, almost 9K+ pen, around 30k health, 30K+ magika, 20K Stamina, 1k+ recovery.


If this build goes down to 30% health and has all buffs up including a 500 ultimate to proc balorgh I get on my primary bar almost 7K spell damage, 20K+ pen, 33K physical resistance and 34K spell resistance and my jabs basically fully heal me and I barely take damage. This seems a bit to OP imo and devs should definitely look into adjusting something here.

Builds still needs some adjustment as it is fun but still it shouldn't be this good in both defensive and offensive IMO.

That's a cool build but it looks a little squishy. Consider adding more armor to boost resistances.

Brrrofski wrote: »

Versions of this have been going around for a while.

Balorgh, pariah and daedric trickery is a better combo imo.

You can proc the same 5 piece as swift, but also good healing buffs and heroism to get to your 500 ult sooner.

It's great for kiting a group of potatoes and turning on them, but good players will know the strat and just stay away from you after you proc balorgh.

Lol...good players will stay away from you? How will a good player stay away from you when you spam them with toppling charge + 60% snaring jabs + the bubble (living dark) who snares 60% as a reactionary proc if anyone dare to stun you or hit you back?

Guess neither class will be OPed when there is only dks and templars running around in Cyro.

/edit

Next patch jabs will get reduced from 60% to 40% but piercing javelin will now ignore blocking. So if you run from a templar in balorgh mode he will meteor you for 25k TT and throw 2-3 spears on you hitting for 4-5k base dmg while you either dodge roll the spears and eat the meteor or even better block for meteor only to get stunned by spears and hit in the head by meteor. Then you get jabbed once more PL explodes for 10k dmg on you and the templar continues to jab or JESUS beam your last 20%.

/edit2

People in this thread doesn't seem to understand the mechanics that make templar and DK so good.

1) DKs dot pressure is so high that it alone saturates peoples healing, then they have leap to animation CC and desynch people with, that allows them to use the whip and cheese people for 10-20k dmg in 2x hits while being UNKILLABLE themselves using coag.

All they really need to do is wait for others to go offensive (coag makes them imp to kill) then they keep the dots up and wait, once enemy trys to turn on the DK they molten them to 70% --> leap and 2x molten to finish 98% of players who are not TRUE tanks.

If enemy never goes offensive then the dots will eventually run them out of sustain and they will be caught in a leap that desynchs + molten molten molten.

Easy access to pressure that saturates HoT while they bide their time with 2x extremely powerful bursts abilities that ALSO in the same GCD animation CCs and causes desynchs (meaning u cant break free until that knockback animation finishes on server side and client side). If you are not pre healed and have hot running you die from this in a build that is not only a troll tank unable to ever kill or threaten the dk in the first place.

2) Templars jabs, are balanced around 20% evasion and 10% cp aoe mitigation, just surviving a templar spamming jabs (nothing else) is difficult for most builds if they DO NOT have those two sources of aoe mitigation and aint a troll tank.

The templar has easy access to minor breach, major breach, balorgh, even stuhn set to melt your resistance to 0. Templars heal while being offensive that saves THEM GCDs and steals GCDs from YOU (while you are on ur back bar they really never have to let go of the gas since even if you start dps on them they will heal and you eventually have to go back on ur backbar for heals).

Toppling charge --> animation de synch CC (after patch they will use piercing javelin, and possibly stampede with 2h maul front and resto back, or stay DW resto and forgo gapcloser since they can just close distance on people with javelin and wait 6s to start dmg run on people trying to flee/disenage --> if you flee you get an unblockable 28m spear in ur head with knockback effect)

Either..way templar deliver pressure from jabs and their constant burning light passive and the game automatically lines up their burst window without effort or any need for timing on their part. Cast PL do dmg ----> profit.

Cast PL
Jabs 2x
Meteor
Javelin 2-3 times
Jesus/jabs
PL detonates

GG

For reference to make it very clear. The two classes that can troll 10-15 people and be "unkillable" while actually taking big damage doing it are dks and templars.

From U31 to U32 burst was nerfed big time when they removed MA 100% crit for 4 seconds set. This was a dream come true for both dks and templars becasue NOW nobody can kill them 1v1 when they are prepared since no amount of DPS can actually overwhelm a them, they are kings of dps and burst.

Necros and wardens and even brawl NBs could when using MA burst down both templars and dks last patch since if built offensive enough you could litterally 1 shot them if they had below 30k hp. That was the only thing actually keeping them honest, they couldnt loiter on 30k hp builds with overwhelming dps and still be safe from a burst attempt - like they can in U32.

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Sneakers wrote: »

The two classes that can troll 10-15 people and be "unkillable" while actually taking big damage doing it are dks and templars.

Before the recent DK/Temp buffs and Warden nerfs, you could've said exactly the same thing about Wardens and Necros, and those Necros can still do the same thing, albeit with more micromanagement than DK/Temp. Once upon a time, before the all the tank metas, magsorcs and stamblades were the top solo classes, and players/groups actually died.

Any class can solo a few players if the player knows what they are doing and know how to kite players around obstacles, know how to avoid LOS, get LOS on their target, know how to split up the players so they can kill one than another, etc...

I've seen some great solo NB, Sorc, Nerco, Warden, Templar, & DK. As of right now the best two classes that can easily take on a small group are DK and Templar. However, a 12 man uncoordinated group can have issues with a small four man group of templar, DK, NB and Sorc. I've seen some smaller four man groups of theses classes running well together where players end up not being able to use abilities because of how they can easily desync you and on top of that the player gets stun, rooted, immobilized, stunned again, etc... because of the high amount of desync and CC effects these four classes bring to the table can result in death for most if the not the full 12 man group.

Best way to stop a strong offense is with a superior defense and that is why I presented my build above. In fact, if I wanted to really push the defensive side of this build I would drop balorgh and go with engine guardian, use defensive on my off hand DW mace.

There are many ways to build characters in this game. The options of how we build our characters is what makes ESO so great compared to some other MMO games.

Brrrofski wrote: »

2) Templars jabs, are balanced around 20% evasion and 10% cp aoe mitigation, just surviving a templar spamming jabs (nothing else) is difficult for most builds if they DO NOT have those two sources of aoe mitigation and aint a troll tank.

The templar has easy access to minor breach, major breach, balorgh, even stuhn set to melt your resistance to 0. Templars heal while being offensive that saves THEM GCDs and steals GCDs from YOU (while you are on ur back bar they really never have to let go of the gas since even if you start dps on them they will heal and you eventually have to go back on ur backbar for heals).

Toppling charge --> animation de synch CC (after patch they will use piercing javelin, and possibly stampede with 2h maul front and resto back, or stay DW resto and forgo gapcloser since they can just close distance on people with javelin and wait 6s to start dmg run on people trying to flee/disenage --> if you flee you get an unblockable 28m spear in ur head with knockback effect)

Either..way templar deliver pressure from jabs and their constant burning light passive and the game automatically lines up their burst window without effort or any need for timing on their part. Cast PL do dmg ----> profit.

Jabs is balanced around its damage being able to be mitigated simply by movement. The damage is channeled and aoe meaning with the game’s positional desync, you can reliably avoid 1-2 out of the 4 ticks of damage simply by moving counter to the Templar trying to jab you. Even missing 1 tick of the jab will push back the burning light tempo, further cutting down in the “theoretical” dps.

So here’s an ability that scales about 50% better than a standard spammable (think surprise attack), but it’s also the only spammable in the game whose damage can be mitigated reliably simply by circle strafing.

But look, I get it. This games pvp is no longer played at a high level. Everyone who cares enough to really master and understand the mechanics have quit playing this game seriously. So maybe zos should balance the game for a more casual playerbase.

Just some things to balance out the perspective a bit.

I don't know. I disagree.

Templar is not anymore OP than anyone else. Templar is in a good spot and has its big survivability, just like a Necro or Warden do, just like a Nightblade does with tethers and cloaking and blinks, just like a Sorc with its shields and streaking, and just like a DK with its thousands of heals and roots.

All these classes can tank effectively.

I mean sure, let's just reopen the can of worms about everyone being too tanky to kill 1v1 and they all end in stalemates. It's the gameplay style of ESO PvP. It's vastly different from other games.

Of course unless if you run 8000+ w/s damage and burst your target, or root them to death, or streak and kite with Overpower, blink into Caluruon's broken GCD burst combo, or dark convergence spam ultys, then 1v1 is lopsided and your tanky spec can do nothing but sit on its backbar.

If anyone atm should complain, it's Warden. I never lose battles to a Warden. 1v1 they can last 5+ minutes and if they are wearing enough dots and freezing you they might wear down your rss pools, but they're easy to kite and get away from. I never fight wardens with some sort of scary burst.

If a class has 8k spell damage and some form of high pen, with tons of healing, they are almost like playing 2 people. They can be scary and really annoying.

And that spec can 1vX all day and wipe out the potatoes in a mob.

The only people killing me are 8k damage specs with too much healing and Mist Form.

Desync and lag rear their ugly heads.

I agree that Mist Form is broke. Let's revisit that. Lol.

The only way to balance pvp would be to lock the mode to pvp sets. Or redo alot of class balance they did.

There was alot more class identity at launch compared to 2017+ eso classes which prompted more compelling pvp interactions.