Alliance War rank
RitualSmoke
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With all of this homogenization will the alliance war rank now be account wide?
I started my journey to Grand overlord years ago on my Magden, i am getting close but it has been painful to play Magden for quite sometime now. any chance the war rank will be shared or is it just unlocked for the dye and skillpoints on the alts?
it takes most people years of grinding to reach Grand overlord and in my experience a grand overlord on one char should be flagged as a grand overlord on an alt. they are usually talented on whatever they run. Please be shared across account I hate being stuck into one char for so many years at a disadvantage heavily in pvp as the flavor of the month has been unkind to my class for quite awhile it would be so fun to try new builds and still progress on one of the most difficult achieves in the game
I started my journey to Grand overlord years ago on my Magden, i am getting close but it has been painful to play Magden for quite sometime now. any chance the war rank will be shared or is it just unlocked for the dye and skillpoints on the alts?
it takes most people years of grinding to reach Grand overlord and in my experience a grand overlord on one char should be flagged as a grand overlord on an alt. they are usually talented on whatever they run. Please be shared across account I hate being stuck into one char for so many years at a disadvantage heavily in pvp as the flavor of the month has been unkind to my class for quite awhile it would be so fun to try new builds and still progress on one of the most difficult achieves in the game
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭That might be an interesting case, because there's also an achievement for killing a Grand Overlord.
I'm not sure how ZOS feels about letting people get that achievement from killing the Grand Overlord's level 10 alt.3 -
WhiteCoatSyndrome✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭…I’d check this but I’m NA.
Is there anyone on the EU server who can confirm one way or another? #proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
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Fennwitty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I checked when it was NA's turn.
The alliance rank is per character.
What changes is the titles you get for certain ranks are across your account.
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Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I could see a case where every player a character has in a particular alliance shares the same rank and contributes to it. It could also be a means to increase alliance loyalty to a degree without artificial means such as alliance locks.1 -
Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I was happy with the character-based system as it was, but yes, as long as so much else is going to be, not the skills but alliance rank should also be made account-wide. I like playing a variety of characters and it would be great if they were all contributing toward unlocking those dyes.Edited by Araneae6537 on February 20, 2022 8:18PM2 -
Jestir✭✭✭✭✭The issue with that rank being account wide is the skill points that come with it, you either have to give new characters all the skill points that go with that rank when created or make them unattainable for them which would not be acceptable.5 -
Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »So if all your alts become 5 star, now what?
All your alts will be able to be Grand Overlord Godslayer Saviors of Tamriel — what’s a few stars?The issue with that rank being account wide is the skill points that come with it, you either have to give new characters all the skill points that go with that rank when created or make them unattainable for them which would not be acceptable.
That’s a good point.1 -
If you can have account wide CP, you should be able to have account wide rank.
Regardless of faction, it doesn't diminish that you, as the player, have earnt X amount of AP, per rank, to get that title.
Regarding the Grand overlord slayer achievement? means nothing. I went into Cyro on a newly rolled Sorc and apparently got a tag on one and got the achievement. It's meaningless anyway and those few achievement points should not get in the way of account ide convenience.
Give people the agency and freedom to change up classes or faction should they find guilds that are better fits, and increase the AP penalty for alliance campaign lock switching if need be.5 -
SerafinaWaterstar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Regardless of faction, it doesn't diminish that you, as the player, have earnt X amount of AP, per rank, to get that title
I disagree. It wasn’t me as the player, it was me playing on a specific character that earned the xp for that title.
I consider that just giving to all my characters whether they have done it or not DOES diminish it.1 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »Regardless of faction, it doesn't diminish that you, as the player, have earnt X amount of AP, per rank, to get that title
I disagree. It wasn’t me as the player, it was me playing on a specific character that earned the xp for that title.
I consider that just giving to all my characters whether they have done it or not DOES diminish it.
If alliance rank were tied to any skill based actions, I'd agree. But at the end of the day, earning 64 million AP, on 1 character, or 18 different ones, can all be done by spamming a restro staff with radiating in a zerg. This event alone you can earn 200K ap an hour without having to fight an enemy player in any skillful way.
At the end of the day, all alliance rank denotes is time played in a PVP zone. And, while agree with others that skill points makes this not really doable, if it weren't for skill points, combined AP earnings should count across the account for PVP rank with the update.6 -
SerafinaWaterstar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »Regardless of faction, it doesn't diminish that you, as the player, have earnt X amount of AP, per rank, to get that title
I disagree. It wasn’t me as the player, it was me playing on a specific character that earned the xp for that title.
I consider that just giving to all my characters whether they have done it or not DOES diminish it.
If alliance rank were tied to any skill based actions, I'd agree. But at the end of the day, earning 64 million AP, on 1 character, or 18 different ones, can all be done by spamming a restro staff with radiating in a zerg. This event alone you can earn 200K ap an hour without having to fight an enemy player in any skillful way.
At the end of the day, all alliance rank denotes is time played in a PVP zone. And, while agree with others that skill points makes this not really doable, if it weren't for skill points, combined AP earnings should count across the account for PVP rank with the update.
That is your opinion. I do not agree with you.
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jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »Regardless of faction, it doesn't diminish that you, as the player, have earnt X amount of AP, per rank, to get that title
I disagree. It wasn’t me as the player, it was me playing on a specific character that earned the xp for that title.
I consider that just giving to all my characters whether they have done it or not DOES diminish it.
If alliance rank were tied to any skill based actions, I'd agree. But at the end of the day, earning 64 million AP, on 1 character, or 18 different ones, can all be done by spamming a restro staff with radiating in a zerg. This event alone you can earn 200K ap an hour without having to fight an enemy player in any skillful way.
At the end of the day, all alliance rank denotes is time played in a PVP zone. And, while agree with others that skill points makes this not really doable, if it weren't for skill points, combined AP earnings should count across the account for PVP rank with the update.
That is your opinion. I do not agree with you.
How is it an opinion that you can earn 64M AP by spamming restro staff skills in a zerg? That is literally a fact. AP is a time played measure more than any skill whatsoever.
Now, if you could denote the location that AP was earned and the time it was earned in, then you could have an argument that you could gauge skill. Like, a player reaching Grand Overlord in a few months, all while only doing BGs, would likely be far far more skillful in PVP than a player who took 2 years to earn it while taking uncontested resources and keeps in Cyrodil.
AP gain is not PVP skill. Your character you are earning it on is irrelevant.3 -
Wolfpaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »Regardless of faction, it doesn't diminish that you, as the player, have earnt X amount of AP, per rank, to get that title
I disagree. It wasn’t me as the player, it was me playing on a specific character that earned the xp for that title.
I consider that just giving to all my characters whether they have done it or not DOES diminish it.
If alliance rank were tied to any skill based actions, I'd agree. But at the end of the day, earning 64 million AP, on 1 character, or 18 different ones, can all be done by spamming a restro staff with radiating in a zerg. This event alone you can earn 200K ap an hour without having to fight an enemy player in any skillful way.
At the end of the day, all alliance rank denotes is time played in a PVP zone. And, while agree with others that skill points makes this not really doable, if it weren't for skill points, combined AP earnings should count across the account for PVP rank with the update.
I agree.
In my early mmo days, when I used to PvE, we used to have a saying, "bring the player not the class".
It didn't not matter what class a player brought to a raid because it was the player, not the class, we communicated with, relationship with, knew the mechanics, and contributed to our endgame goals as a guild.
Classes are nothing more than an extension of the player, imo.1 -
Malthorne✭✭✭✭✭
✭Grand overlord is more about time invested so it’s not necessarily an indicator of skill or proficiency with any particular class. Plus, everything else is account wide and a fresh level 3 alt can wear the “grand overlord” title so it makes sense for alliance rank to be displayed on all characters as well5 -
Matthros✭✭✭I agree to have the Alliance Rank across all characters. Instead of always playing on the same character to get to GO I can switch it up and have alot more fun playing different classes and builds. I have 11 characters just sitting there not doing PvP because I want to focus on my main to get GO.Edited by Matthros on February 21, 2022 7:55PM7 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As a side note, I don't recommend wearing your Grand Overlord title on low-level alts.
My raid lead got it, wore the title proudly, and immediately started dying more often because people targeted them hoping for the Murder Mahogany dye. They died a lot less when they swapped to "Recruit."
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tonyblack✭✭✭✭✭Pls no. I like idea of account wide achievements but they really do hurt longevity and replay value. If every one of my characters would have five stars then there would be no motivation for me to ever do any pvp. It might be one of the last things that show dedication to one particular character and should stay that way.1 -
Wolfpaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Pls no. I like idea of account wide achievements but they really do hurt longevity and replay value. If every one of my characters would have five stars then there would be no motivation for me to ever do any pvp. It might be one of the last things that show dedication to one particular character and should stay that way.
So a tiny little icon, that takes zero pvp combat to get, is your motivation to PvP? Enough to quit PvP?
To each their own I suppose.Edited by Wolfpaw on February 22, 2022 4:38AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »So if all your alts become 5 star, now what?
Finally expand the rank system to something like 100 to give people long term progression goals.
Games like DAoC or Warhammer Online did just that and it worked fine back in the days.<Noricum>
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Pls no. I like idea of account wide achievements but they really do hurt longevity and replay value. If every one of my characters would have five stars then there would be no motivation for me to ever do any pvp. It might be one of the last things that show dedication to one particular character and should stay that way.
So a tiny little icon, that takes zero pvp combat to get, is your motivation to PvP? Enough to quit PvP?
To each their own I suppose.
It will take you a hundred years to get without pvp combat.
I guess you could hide near keeps under attack and leach the flip. lolEdited by TequilaFire on February 22, 2022 1:49PM0 -
Wolfpaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Pls no. I like idea of account wide achievements but they really do hurt longevity and replay value. If every one of my characters would have five stars then there would be no motivation for me to ever do any pvp. It might be one of the last things that show dedication to one particular character and should stay that way.
So a tiny little icon, that takes zero pvp combat to get, is your motivation to PvP? Enough to quit PvP?
To each their own I suppose.
It will take you a hundred years to get without pvp combat.
I guess you could hide near keeps under attack and leach the flip. lol
I know of a 5star crown on PS GH DC that does almost nothing for his alliance...just star'n his alts. He and his guild run around with no map strategy, taking resources (messing up other crown's strategy), PvE door (til wiped), runs into taken keeps to get his repair in, & running away from fights....all for a silly icon. Alliance point farmer, admittedly is all he cares about.
Tremendous Damage Dealer, 10 under 5, & Tremendous Healer...those PvP achievements I can get behind!
Back to the point, to quit PvP over it seems extreme, to me, but if the only thing in PvP that matters is that little icon it may be in the best interest of Cyrodiil.Edited by Wolfpaw on February 22, 2022 5:09PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Nah that one has been around forever and his guild is multi-alliance, it is all about twitch for him.0 -
KingExecration✭✭✭✭They’ll unlikely do this, if they did everyone’s alts will have an extra 50 skill points off rip. Zo$ would be against skyshards sales going down lol2
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✭SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »Regardless of faction, it doesn't diminish that you, as the player, have earnt X amount of AP, per rank, to get that title
I disagree. It wasn’t me as the player, it was me playing on a specific character that earned the xp for that title.
I consider that just giving to all my characters whether they have done it or not DOES diminish it.
If alliance rank were tied to any skill based actions, I'd agree. But at the end of the day, earning 64 million AP, on 1 character, or 18 different ones, can all be done by spamming a restro staff with radiating in a zerg. This event alone you can earn 200K ap an hour without having to fight an enemy player in any skillful way.
At the end of the day, all alliance rank denotes is time played in a PVP zone. And, while agree with others that skill points makes this not really doable, if it weren't for skill points, combined AP earnings should count across the account for PVP rank with the update.
That is your opinion. I do not agree with you.
Alliance Rank works the exact same way as CP. You participate in content and you gain progress. Everyone can reach rank 50 and everyone can reach CP3600 by simply playing. It does not show any level of skill. The only thing that you as a player can add to this is efficiency. You can find the most efficient way to reach that goal faster.2 -
Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Alliance war titles should not have been included in this AWA system. The symbol of the rank will not match the title unless you are using it on the correct character. The actual rank is tied to AP which gives a skill point and an achievement. On each character, you still have to PVP to earn the ranks and the skill points. The titles will only be good for trolling and being silly.
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Fennwitty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The only way using a title on a lowbie impacts anything is if you do go into Cyro as 'Former Emperor' or whichever rank, and someone targets you for death in order to get the dye -- I'm not sure if they'd actually get it.
Otherwise so what if your level 3 is Grand Overlord. How long are you going to be level 3?
If you retain it as an alt level 3 forever as a sort of joke fine but very few people will care.PC NA2 -
Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Unlike other titles, if an Alliance War title is placed on any character including a vet character, the symbol of the rank for that character can either prove or disprove the title on that character. It doesn't matter if anyone cares; this is just another broad stroke decision made by the company that doesn't make sense for the players, well, to me anyway.Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
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