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45k Power Slams are still a thing
FragManSaul
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ZOS: Lets nerf simmering frenzy so they can’t stack weapon damage for 45k power slams
FragManSaul: Hold my beer
FragManSaul: Hold my beer
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FragManSaul✭✭
It’s the only thing they’ve changed. I used it initially to hit a 45k power bash but all I’ve done it’s properly built myself and now I’m able to hit 45k crit power bashes fairly consistentlyTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Did they actually think this was because of Blood Frenzy?
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Rhaegar75✭✭✭✭✭FragManSaul wrote: »
It’s the only thing they’ve changed. I used it initially to hit a 45k power bash but all I’ve done it’s properly built myself and now I’m able to hit 45k crit power bashes fairly consistentlyTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Did they actually think this was because of Blood Frenzy?
very honest of you to share this....I could see it coming and it's worrying that a skill can be so Overpowered0 -
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✭✭FragManSaul wrote: »
It’s the only thing they’ve changed. I used it initially to hit a 45k power bash but all I’ve done it’s properly built myself and now I’m able to hit 45k crit power bashes fairly consistentlyTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Did they actually think this was because of Blood Frenzy?
Just curious how out of line this really is or why it is even an issue...I regularly hit 47K or higher pve BlastBones crits. My sorc gets 20K crit crystal fragments, and 37K critical frag procs (76% crit rate). It definitely seems more than ZOS's "spammable" definition, but the number itself doesn't stand out from other hard hitting skills to me.
ZOS plays fast and loose with the standards anyway.
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✭It's on the boss and after some armor reduction (Sundered). Mobs dont have crit resistance, how much it's gonna be on the average built player?1 -
FragManSaul✭✭FragManSaul wrote: »
It’s the only thing they’ve changed. I used it initially to hit a 45k power bash but all I’ve done it’s properly built myself and now I’m able to hit 45k crit power bashes fairly consistentlyTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Did they actually think this was because of Blood Frenzy?
Just curious how out of line this really is or why it is even an issue...I regularly hit 47K or higher pve BlastBones crits. My sorc gets 20K crit crystal fragments, and 37K critical frag procs (76% crit rate). It definitely seems more than ZOS's "spammable" definition, but the number itself doesn't stand out from other hard hitting skills to me.
ZOS plays fast and loose with the standards anyway.
I guess the difference is that I run a 45k health 33k resistance bash build and can still hit 45-55k spammable damage.1 -
Extinct_Solo_Player✭✭✭✭✭It's on the boss and after some armor reduction (Sundered). Mobs dont have crit resistance, how much it's gonna be on the average built player?
Not that high, it's a cheesed screenshot. No way he would hit over 7-8k powerslams max on an average pvper. With a bar/gear setup to achieve that would not last 10 seconds in a pvp environment that's for sure.4 -
Succuby✭✭✭Only 45k ?
Without optimization of gear and no engalfing:
https://i.postimg.cc/T1Py5Yvq/bb.png
I think ... i will not like balance in new patch, pls tell me when it ends
But lightning staff was to OP, so everyone need play fire.
Lightning staff is just to show that it is ?Edited by Succuby on February 15, 2022 6:49AM2 -
FragManSaul✭✭
Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »It's on the boss and after some armor reduction (Sundered). Mobs dont have crit resistance, how much it's gonna be on the average built player?
Not that high, it's a cheesed screenshot. No way he would hit over 7-8k powerslams max on an average pvper. With a bar/gear setup to achieve that would not last 10 seconds in a pvp environment that's for sure.
This is against a DK with 33k resistance. The guy I fought against is a PvP player. I had 3500 pen on my build.4 -
FragManSaul✭✭
How’s this ?Only 45k ?
Without optimization of gear and no engalfing:
https://i.postimg.cc/T1Py5Yvq/bb.png
I think ... i will not like balance in new patch, pls tell me when it ends
But lightning staff was to OP, so everyone need play fire.
Lightning staff is just to show that it is ?
What ability are you using in that shot?
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FragManSaul✭✭FragManSaul wrote: »
It’s the only thing they’ve changed. I used it initially to hit a 45k power bash but all I’ve done it’s properly built myself and now I’m able to hit 45k crit power bashes fairly consistentlyTX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Did they actually think this was because of Blood Frenzy?
Just curious how out of line this really is or why it is even an issue...I regularly hit 47K or higher pve BlastBones crits. My sorc gets 20K crit crystal fragments, and 37K critical frag procs (76% crit rate). It definitely seems more than ZOS's "spammable" definition, but the number itself doesn't stand out from other hard hitting skills to me.
ZOS plays fast and loose with the standards anyway.
It’s like your crystal frags hitting for 45-55k per hit.0 -
Extinct_Solo_Player✭✭✭✭✭FragManSaul wrote: »Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »It's on the boss and after some armor reduction (Sundered). Mobs dont have crit resistance, how much it's gonna be on the average built player?
Not that high, it's a cheesed screenshot. No way he would hit over 7-8k powerslams max on an average pvper. With a bar/gear setup to achieve that would not last 10 seconds in a pvp environment that's for sure.
This is against a DK with 33k resistance. The guy I fought against is a PvP player. I had 3500 pen on my build.
Sure, anyone can take a screenshot out of context and say otherwise. Investing all into bash for pvp is not worth it as that 3k incap shows that you lack quite a bit of weapon damage so things such as self healing and even sustain for a prolonged amount of time will be difficult.0 -
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✭@Extinct_Solo_Player you are talking nonsense here. I already have bashblade on live, it's doing good and with darloc brae backbar I have no sustain issues running tristat food.
Bashes doesn't need insane investment. That's x3 infused jewels with glyphs and one frontbar set. Whole lot of freedom here, ranged from very tough bruisers, to semi-healers, to gankers.
If damage on this skill will be this high, it will be on everyone. There is no point in comparing it to frags or blastbones, it's a spammable.
New power bash and hybrid healing is two problems that will make PvP completely unplayable if they go live.1 -
FragManSaul✭✭Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »FragManSaul wrote: »Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »It's on the boss and after some armor reduction (Sundered). Mobs dont have crit resistance, how much it's gonna be on the average built player?
Not that high, it's a cheesed screenshot. No way he would hit over 7-8k powerslams max on an average pvper. With a bar/gear setup to achieve that would not last 10 seconds in a pvp environment that's for sure.
This is against a DK with 33k resistance. The guy I fought against is a PvP player. I had 3500 pen on my build.
Sure, anyone can take a screenshot out of context and say otherwise. Investing all into bash for pvp is not worth it as that 3k incap shows that you lack quite a bit of weapon damage so things such as self healing and even sustain for a prolonged amount of time will be difficult.
I feel you lack understanding in bash builds. Bash becomes your main attack for 675 stamina costs and hits very hard 3x a second. Max health is your friend. You don’t need a high stamina or magicka pool to deal stupid damage numbers all you need is resource recovery which is easy with wretched vitality and a ms or mythic. Incap is used to increase bash damage that’s all you need it for. I heal for 4.5k per second and have a 6k heal that costs me 1k stamina. Investing all in to bash is very very strong.
I don’t want bash builds nerfed I want them balanced. I know what will happen. This will go live people will complain because they’ll be dying a lot and bash will be nerfed in to the ground.
I already have great success in PvP with my bash builds. This will just ruin it.8 -
Extinct_Solo_Player✭✭✭✭✭@Extinct_Solo_Player you are talking nonsense here. I already have bashblade on live, it's doing good and with darloc brae backbar I have no sustain issues running tristat food.
Bashes doesn't need insane investment. That's x3 infused jewels with glyphs and one frontbar set. Whole lot of freedom here, ranged from very tough bruisers, to semi-healers, to gankers.
If damage on this skill will be this high, it will be on everyone. There is no point in comparing it to frags or blastbones, it's a spammable.
New power bash and hybrid healing is two problems that will make PvP completely unplayable if they go live.
Yeah I'm totally speaking nonsense, sacrificing 3 jewelry glyphs and a 5 piece totally nothing and yeah I'm just going to repeat that any decent player will make quick work against a bash build. I never compared it to those skills so good job reading what i wrote. I didn't say this skill should say the Same as even the 33% increased damage after blocking is broken itself, but in my experience fighting bash builds they do not last well vs a good player.0 -
Veg✭✭✭✭✭Dude... your build is a complete gimmick. No more deadly than any other gank blade that hits 15k caluurions. Bash weaving on stamina builds simply doesn't work in pvp. The stamina drain is way too much. I run a Bash build I made for Mag DK and it barely gets by with tri pots.
If you can show me a bash build on any other class that isn't just ganking, then ill agree with you. I even made a stam DK build on the PTS. Sure i got power slam tooltip to 17.7k without the 33% buff and bashes at 6.6k but I still run out of stamina pretty much instantly in actual pvp. That stuff may as well be a pve dps build.ᕙ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ1 -
VarisVaris✭✭✭✭✭Dude... your build is a complete gimmick. No more deadly than any other gank blade that hits 15k caluurions. Bash weaving on stamina builds simply doesn't work in pvp. The stamina drain is way too much. I run a Bash build I made for Mag DK and it barely gets by with tri pots.
If you can show me a bash build on any other class that isn't just ganking, then ill agree with you. I even made a stam DK build on the PTS. Sure i got power slam tooltip to 17.7k without the 33% buff and bashes at 6.6k but I still run out of stamina pretty much instantly in actual pvp. That stuff may as well be a pve dps build.
Bash Weaving is easily sustainable on any stamina spec and every good player has been doing it for years except for when they completely over nerfed bash.
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xxslam48xxb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Next patch is going to be pure clown world if they leave bash like this. I know people want to have fun with their bash builds, but you should not be hitting 40k on npcs. Going to be 2-3 shotting many players in pvp on a dang tank. Honk honk.I wrote a poem that I titled, "The ganker's delight."
As you lay upon the ground, cry not little pawn.
The pain will pass as quickly as my blade did take you,
but my delight will last and you will respawn.
My heart simply cannot contain my joy, when I ply my trade.
The fault lies with you, your skill was lacking.
Now your salt is mine forever, can't you hear the laughing?
Once you were so proud and now you are reduced to this.
A miserable, loud deuced fool.
With every tear you drip, with every excuse you let slip.
All of your insecurities and worries bring a smile to my lip.
From your despair I have ripped endless glories,
but our affair is over now. Be afraid for I will return for more.
I have received many titles, to my allies I am The sniper Emperor and Grand champion hero of the Pact. However these titles mean little to me, it is the ones given to me by my victims that I prefer. To them I am "Xv1er", "trash", "no balls", "zerger", "noob", "cringe", "no skill", "camper", "100% new", "the reason this game is dying", "pathetic", "a sack of piece of [snip]", "mediocre", "absolute inbred", "beyond a virgin", "ganky dork", "fat smelly 40yr old virgin", "little girl", "daddy", "exploiting loser", and every [snipped] word known to man.3 -
Veg✭✭✭✭✭VarisVaris wrote: »Dude... your build is a complete gimmick. No more deadly than any other gank blade that hits 15k caluurions. Bash weaving on stamina builds simply doesn't work in pvp. The stamina drain is way too much. I run a Bash build I made for Mag DK and it barely gets by with tri pots.
If you can show me a bash build on any other class that isn't just ganking, then ill agree with you. I even made a stam DK build on the PTS. Sure i got power slam tooltip to 17.7k without the 33% buff and bashes at 6.6k but I still run out of stamina pretty much instantly in actual pvp. That stuff may as well be a pve dps build.
Bash Weaving is easily sustainable on any stamina spec and every good player has been doing it for years except for when they completely over nerfed bash.
Not when you are trying to weave 3 bashes per cast. You can have 2 blocks, 3 bashes and 1 stamina ability cost per second at that rate. All with 0 stam regen. Bash builds are not just weaving 1 bash to animation cancel, everyone can do that. I can run a bash spam build on my MDK because flame lash costs magic. trying to dish out 3 bashes and a stamina spammable will have you at 0 stamina before you kill anything.
If I ran power slam instead of flame lash I would lose 5223-6053 stamina per weave Vs the 2851-3677 stamina I drain on my current build. The deviation on stam cost is the difference between getting 1 block proc or 2.
If you try to run a real bash build with stamina costing abilities you will drop to 0 stam instantly. So take your gank build and enjoy it. it wont be nerfed because it doesn't need to be. The cost of power slam doing 10k damage to a real pvp target is large enough that only gimmick builds will use it.ᕙ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ2 -
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✭VarisVaris wrote: »Dude... your build is a complete gimmick. No more deadly than any other gank blade that hits 15k caluurions. Bash weaving on stamina builds simply doesn't work in pvp. The stamina drain is way too much. I run a Bash build I made for Mag DK and it barely gets by with tri pots.
If you can show me a bash build on any other class that isn't just ganking, then ill agree with you. I even made a stam DK build on the PTS. Sure i got power slam tooltip to 17.7k without the 33% buff and bashes at 6.6k but I still run out of stamina pretty much instantly in actual pvp. That stuff may as well be a pve dps build.
Bash Weaving is easily sustainable on any stamina spec and every good player has been doing it for years except for when they completely over nerfed bash.
Not when you are trying to weave 3 bashes per cast. You can have 2 blocks, 3 bashes and 1 stamina ability cost per second at that rate. All with 0 stam regen.
Regen comes once each 2 sec, and it checks current state when it ticks. Meaning, short blocks get past no-regen barrier ez.
You don't 3-bash per 1s, as you have 0.3 delay after bash. So that's 1.2s GCDs then, or double bash.
I do have necro healer with bashes. Ez sustainable, as you don't always bash, but it waves.1 -
VarisVaris✭✭✭✭✭VarisVaris wrote: »Dude... your build is a complete gimmick. No more deadly than any other gank blade that hits 15k caluurions. Bash weaving on stamina builds simply doesn't work in pvp. The stamina drain is way too much. I run a Bash build I made for Mag DK and it barely gets by with tri pots.
If you can show me a bash build on any other class that isn't just ganking, then ill agree with you. I even made a stam DK build on the PTS. Sure i got power slam tooltip to 17.7k without the 33% buff and bashes at 6.6k but I still run out of stamina pretty much instantly in actual pvp. That stuff may as well be a pve dps build.
Bash Weaving is easily sustainable on any stamina spec and every good player has been doing it for years except for when they completely over nerfed bash.
Not when you are trying to weave 3 bashes per cast. You can have 2 blocks, 3 bashes and 1 stamina ability cost per second at that rate. All with 0 stam regen. Bash builds are not just weaving 1 bash to animation cancel, everyone can do that. I can run a bash spam build on my MDK because flame lash costs magic. trying to dish out 3 bashes and a stamina spammable will have you at 0 stamina before you kill anything.
If I ran power slam instead of flame lash I would lose 5223-6053 stamina per weave Vs the 2851-3677 stamina I drain on my current build. The deviation on stam cost is the difference between getting 1 block proc or 2.
If you try to run a real bash build with stamina costing abilities you will drop to 0 stam instantly. So take your gank build and enjoy it. it wont be nerfed because it doesn't need to be. The cost of power slam doing 10k damage to a real pvp target is large enough that only gimmick builds will use it.
If you insist on using bash 3 times every single gcd it's your fault for wasting resources in situations where you don't have a good return on investment.
Also if you're playing a bash build on a magdk you should maybe think about turning it into a stamdk so you actually have the stamina to spare.
Also in case you didn't know, there's an option to bash without blocking if you're so concerned about getting a seconds block cost tick in.2 -
FragManSaul✭✭VarisVaris wrote: »Dude... your build is a complete gimmick. No more deadly than any other gank blade that hits 15k caluurions. Bash weaving on stamina builds simply doesn't work in pvp. The stamina drain is way too much. I run a Bash build I made for Mag DK and it barely gets by with tri pots.
If you can show me a bash build on any other class that isn't just ganking, then ill agree with you. I even made a stam DK build on the PTS. Sure i got power slam tooltip to 17.7k without the 33% buff and bashes at 6.6k but I still run out of stamina pretty much instantly in actual pvp. That stuff may as well be a pve dps build.
Bash Weaving is easily sustainable on any stamina spec and every good player has been doing it for years except for when they completely over nerfed bash.
Not when you are trying to weave 3 bashes per cast. You can have 2 blocks, 3 bashes and 1 stamina ability cost per second at that rate. All with 0 stam regen. Bash builds are not just weaving 1 bash to animation cancel, everyone can do that. I can run a bash spam build on my MDK because flame lash costs magic. trying to dish out 3 bashes and a stamina spammable will have you at 0 stamina before you kill anything.
If I ran power slam instead of flame lash I would lose 5223-6053 stamina per weave Vs the 2851-3677 stamina I drain on my current build. The deviation on stam cost is the difference between getting 1 block proc or 2.
If you try to run a real bash build with stamina costing abilities you will drop to 0 stam instantly. So take your gank build and enjoy it. it wont be nerfed because it doesn't need to be. The cost of power slam doing 10k damage to a real pvp target is large enough that only gimmick builds will use it.
On pc you can rebind bash to its own button so you don’t need to block to activate it. You can say good bye to stamina issues and lack of movement speed.
On consoles you can’t rebind so you’ll need to manage resources better with bash weave. The best set for this is essence thief as every 10 seconds you get a stamina injection that isn’t an increase to your recovery per second but pure stamina. Stonekeeper monster set is also a good set to get pure stamina.
I’ve removed dodge roll from double tap and you can also reduce the cost of blocking through traits.Edited by FragManSaul on February 17, 2022 1:52PM0
