Devs coming in as world bosses.

  • Jaraal
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    Kwoung wrote: »
    In a great many cases we have GM's follow/shadow us on adventures for us to point out bugs or issues we found, so they could see them happening live in actual gameplay and capture logs to help fixing them.

    It was a great time in gaming back then, when the publishers had paid staff to interact with the playerbase and show they actually cared about us and their game.

    Yeah I remember one time I got stuck under the world in West Karana, and I sent in a report and not one, not two, but three GMs (characters with green name tags) showed up to see what happened and to get me unstuck. They stayed around and chatted with me for a while, it was a very cool experience.

    Unfortunately, those were simpler times. Nobody was disrespectful to the GMs then, whereas there is currently enough hostility towards the ESO dev team for various reasons that I can imagine the zone chat would be rather ugly.


    Edited by Jaraal on February 13, 2022 7:00PM
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    Jaraal wrote: »
    Kwoung wrote: »
    In a great many cases we have GM's follow/shadow us on adventures for us to point out bugs or issues we found, so they could see them happening live in actual gameplay and capture logs to help fixing them.

    It was a great time in gaming back then, when the publishers had paid staff to interact with the playerbase and show they actually cared about us and their game.

    Yeah I remember one time I got stuck under the world in West Karana, and I sent in a report and not one, not two, but three GMs (characters with green name tags) showed up to see what happened and to get me unstuck. They stayed around and chatted with me for a while, it was a very cool experience.

    Unfortunately, those were simpler times. Nobody was disrespectful to the GMs then, whereas there is currently enough hostility towards the ESO dev team for various reasons that I can imagine the zone chat would be rather ugly.


    Yup, it's those experiences that stick with you.

    I think (hope) it would also see some positive outcomes as a lore character with a soft scripted community interaction.

    A dev coming in-game to spark a conversation probably wouldn't have a good outcome, and a PR problem.

  • Kaelthorn_Nightbloom
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    Strongly against this idea.

    Devs should never interact with the game world except if a player is permanently stuck.
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  • Kaelthorn_Nightbloom
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    Every MMO should have strict rules and permissions that prevent any developer from interacting with the game world.

    I've seen firsthand what happens when developers abuse their powers in MMOs. It's not good for the game.

    ESO is a business not a developer playground.
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  • Vevvev
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    I've seen the Firefall devs do this back during their Beta testing phase and it was fun.... For the players hehehehe.

    Devs vastly underestimated the power curve their players had achieved and grinded after learning the devs themselves would invade the game world. An emergency patch came in buffing the Dev's villain characters more and then the fight became more even... Sorta.

    I think only one of the devs actually scored a victory against the player base, and afterwards the whole server came down upon his head. Was one heck of a fight and might be good for like one or two times, but you have to keep in mind here that it's success stems from the Developer's mindset, the player's mindsets, and how fair it appears to be.
    The Firefall devs were good and honest people, but if you did the same thing with ESO how would it fair? Would it even appear fair? Have to ask these questions when suggesting something like this.
    Edited by Vevvev on February 13, 2022 8:01PM
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  • Castagere
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    AH, the days when Devs loved to interact with the community. Now they don't because they would sure as heck get some players complaining about something and demanding something from them. This type of thing used to happen a lot in those first-gen mmo's. I remember in Firefall the Devs used to do this kind of thing randomly all the time. In Anarchy Online the lead Dev would do this all the time. Today if a Dev showed up in-game you can bet some players will want to ruin it for everyone else.
  • spartaxoxo
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    It's painfully obvious the devs at ZOS don't play ESO.

    I mean I have literally watched Rich do it but sure, they never play. Heaven forbid they do play but simply don't agree with people on this site.
    Edited by spartaxoxo on February 13, 2022 11:47PM
  • EdmondDontes
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    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    It's painfully obvious the devs at ZOS don't play ESO.

    I mean I have literally watched Rich do it but sure, they never play. Heaven forbid they do play but simply don't agree with people on this site.

    Oh, you mean the "WAAAA WAAAA WAAAA", "We're working on it" with no results for 5 years guy?
    Edited by EdmondDontes on February 13, 2022 11:59PM
  • spartaxoxo
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    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    It's painfully obvious the devs at ZOS don't play ESO.

    I mean I have literally watched Rich do it but sure, they never play. Heaven forbid they do play but simply don't agree with people on this site.

    Oh, you mean the "WAAAA WAAAA WAAAA", "We're working on it" with no results for 5 years guy?

    No, I don't. He never said that and was clearly embarrassed his wife did. I don't blame people for things they didn't do.

    He plays the game. He works hard on the game. And he has been one of the most helpful and best sources of information for the game. I don't always agree with his decisions but it's obvious that he cares about the game and plays it himself.

    I wouldn't mind him coming in as a world boss or any other developer. Sadly I think the playerbase might be too toxic towards them to make it fun for them too, so I don't see it happening.
    Edited by spartaxoxo on February 14, 2022 12:14AM
  • Vrienda
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    There has been devs wiping people out on dolmen grind on console cause there were lots of bots on there. And back when the game was sub based there was interactions with so called “GM”s that dont exist anymore, there only interaction you’d get is through them actually playing eso like everyone else as a player.

    Wait, they don't exist anymore? Man I remember one getting angry at me because I hadn't noticed he'd spawned near me and I kept running and being teleported back to him... Way back when Cadwell's Gold was bugged.
    Edited by Vrienda on February 14, 2022 12:17AM
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  • EdmondDontes
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    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    It's painfully obvious the devs at ZOS don't play ESO.

    I mean I have literally watched Rich do it but sure, they never play. Heaven forbid they do play but simply don't agree with people on this site.

    Oh, you mean the "WAAAA WAAAA WAAAA", "We're working on it" with no results for 5 years guy?

    No, I don't. He never said that and was clearly embarrassed his wife did. I don't blame people for things they didn't do.

    He plays the game. He works hard on the game. And he has been one of the most helpful and best sources of information for the game. I don't always agree with his decisions but it's obvious that he cares about the game and plays it himself.

    I wouldn't mind him coming in as a world boss or any other developer. Sadly I think the playerbase might be too toxic towards them to make it fun for them too, so I don't see it happening.

    The wife wouldn't have said it that way if the husband doesn't come home every day complaining just like she did. That's why she thought it was OK to talk like that in the moment. It's the same as the words came out of his mouth, not just posted on his stream. His level of respect for the customer mirrors hers.
    Edited by EdmondDontes on February 14, 2022 12:22AM
  • SerafinaWaterstar
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    How do you know he *actually* does play the game, rather than a nice curated shot for whatever social media platform?
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    How do you know he *actually* does play the game, rather than a nice curated shot for whatever social media platform?

    Well.. he live streamed his playing, and even did a tutorial on Veteran Maelstrom Arena on stream. He does dungeons with other players while on stream. Also... he often joins in Tipsy Trials on Thursdays, so there are multiple streams of evidence. Too much work to fake all that.
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  • spartaxoxo
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    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    It's painfully obvious the devs at ZOS don't play ESO.

    I mean I have literally watched Rich do it but sure, they never play. Heaven forbid they do play but simply don't agree with people on this site.

    Oh, you mean the "WAAAA WAAAA WAAAA", "We're working on it" with no results for 5 years guy?

    No, I don't. He never said that and was clearly embarrassed his wife did. I don't blame people for things they didn't do.

    He plays the game. He works hard on the game. And he has been one of the most helpful and best sources of information for the game. I don't always agree with his decisions but it's obvious that he cares about the game and plays it himself.

    I wouldn't mind him coming in as a world boss or any other developer. Sadly I think the playerbase might be too toxic towards them to make it fun for them too, so I don't see it happening.

    The wife wouldn't have said it that way if the husband doesn't come home every day complaining just like she did. That's why she thought it was OK to talk like that in the moment. It's the same as the words came out of his own mouth, not just posted on his stream.

    That's an assumption you have made, to assign him blame for another's actions. It can just as easily be she sees he's stressed at this server re-architecture they are doing, (which players cannot see but is a massive undertaking that is likely stressful for the team) specifically for PVPers and got overprotective. It's also possible she was offended at when the question was asked, as it was asked at an inappropriate time and she could have been fed up. It's also possible she was fed up with PVP questions personally in general as they get asked constantly when he streams and she sees them. She could have just been cranky that day over stuff unrelated and she stress rolled and exploded on someone and didn't even mean the junk she said.

    There are many different things it could be that don't involve her just being a parrot of Rich. And regardless if he did, he's allowed to complain when his job is stressing him in the privacy of his home. And it in no way means he has an actual problem with his clients. Every working adult has complained about their job at some point, even if they love it. Given his instant shock and embarrassment that was extremely visible on his face, assuming that his wife only said what he wanted her to is very unfair. It completely ignores he very clearly did not expect her to do that and also ignores her own agency.

    Ultimately it was his stream so he does share some of the blame. He clearly should have set boundaries on the stream with his wife, so that she actually made an effort to filter herself. But it's extremely unfair to say it's anything more than that just to assign him additional blame for something he did not do. They are their own people and you have absolutely no evidence she was speaking for him.

    This kind of thing is exactly why devs don't interact with the community more in any game. People try to make mistakes (and obviously it was disrespectful of her to say that) even bigger than they already were, generally don't have postive things to say about the things going well, and generally always assume the worst of devs. It is not just this game either but true of the industry as a whole. Even other industries like fast food have noted a shift in hostility for the worst in customer bases. So it's not like it's unique to gamers.

    Why bother when people are gonna go out of their way to make every mistake even worse than it already was, while doing little to acknowledge the good efforts they put in. Just push put your product, say the least you can in only the most inoffensive and uninformative corporate speak and then hope for the best. That's the general modus operandi of every game company these days and stuff like this suggestion have fallen by the wayside. It's not hard to understand why.
    Edited by spartaxoxo on February 14, 2022 12:41AM
  • Iron_Warrior
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    Great idea, if this happens, we can "communicate" with the devs in a good way:

    THIS is for the cyrodill lag *wreking blow*

    THIS is for balance and powercreep *second wreking blow*

    THIS is for the overpriced cash shop *third wreking blow*

    And THIS is for that damn card game *DAWNBREAKER*
    Edited by Iron_Warrior on February 14, 2022 2:28AM
  • Sylvermynx
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    What I want is the devs showing up to state exactly what they're going to do about the absolutely awful garbage that's on PTS right now.
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    Elsonso wrote: »
    How do you know he *actually* does play the game, rather than a nice curated shot for whatever social media platform?

    Well.. he live streamed his playing, and even did a tutorial on Veteran Maelstrom Arena on stream. He does dungeons with other players while on stream. Also... he often joins in Tipsy Trials on Thursdays, so there are multiple streams of evidence. Too much work to fake all that.

    Thank you! Wasn’t being sarky, actually wanted to know!
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    This kind of stuff actually happened in Star Wars: Galaxies, but then SWG actually paid GMs to progress broken quests, address things that require human judgement, monitor chat for abusing behavior, and otherwise do all the essential GM tasks that ZOS considers not worth paying for.

    Sometimes those GMs would get bored and decide to show up at Mos Eisley as Darth Vader. You could even attack them. It wasn't going to be pretty, but it sure was funny.

    But you have to pay GMs in order to have bored GMs.

    Edited by MasterSpatula on February 14, 2022 10:49AM
    "A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle
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