Whitestrake's Mayhem PvE alternative?

xDeusEJRx · February 2022

Arbit wrote: »

As a pve player, I hate going into cyro or ic. Some people are civil, like when you go to the sewers to beat molag bals shade and everyone hangs out regardless of faction, but there’s always some jerk whose gotta slam you for the sake of it. Like using you to farm some tel var the easy way with a nightblade. Picking off stragglers from pve groups getting the bosses in ic.

Pvp is cancer to pve players who typically stay away from such scenarios. As a person who is so done with pvp games like league, I hate being forced into getting tickets this way. Cattle for slaughter really in the face of competitive pvpers. Ik they’ve got to feed the pvpers in this game to keep them happy even for a little bit, but at the expense of pvers. I just don’t think it’s fair or right.

If pvp was so popular we’d have pvp servers and IC wouldn’t be a ghost town most of the time. But it’s not, and this is because most players are pvers, and frankly aren’t even hardcore at that. You’re asking people to be sacrifices. Pve does not ask that of you, it asks for your time and some commitment.

I am all for having a pve alternative so we do not need to be cattle for slaughter during this event. Cause that’s all the pvers are during this event really. I need my tickets, and you are forcing me to degrade myself by being used in this fashion for some cheap kills and mild entertainment for some pvper.

Just my opinion.

Posts like these always bewilder me, PVE'ers have this mentality that they're the only people who ever get killed in a pvp event just because they don't play pvp. No, everyone is also getting killed farmed in pvp, everyone else is getting zerged. The same people who farm groups every day in PVP will still be doing the same, the people always getting farmed regularly are still being farmed. The average zerg in pvp is hardly capable of "slaughtering" people as made out to be. Only special cases of people are able to do this, like bombers. But bombers are going to slaughter groups, pve'ers or not. It's a game, you will die in pvp just as you die to a wipe mechanic in any dungeon or trial. It happens, you get up and try again. And also, imperial city is a ghost town, not because PVP isnt popular, it's because it's literally a PVE farming zone. People go there to farm telvar, gear, etc. not to PVP, you can't pvp against people who don't want to PVP. 90% of times, groups that face other players just leave or head to the sewers when people start to show up. Thats why everyone goes to Cyro, cause people are there to PVP, not to farm(aside the people farming points)

And plus there's so many alternatives to minimize the time you need to be in PVP. Battlegrounds grants 2 tickets, and they're 30 minutes at MAX, realistically only 20 minutes you need to spend and you already got most of your tickets that way, then do 1 scout quest in imperial city and done.

hafgood · February 2022

Vrienda wrote: »

It's not. You can't go into a PvP area with a PvE build and expect anything but getting oneshot. How long they've been in game doesn't mean anything.

Sorry but this is total and utterly rubbish. I'm up to PvP rank 44, I play a stamplar, I go into Cyro & IC on a PvE build, I might go as far as put on some heavy impen armour but that's about it.

Do I die more than those on PvP builds? Yes. Am I one shot? No.

I've killed plenty of players. I've had a lot of fun.

I've always hated PvP in other games, hate that I can lose stuff. In ESO the worst is I can lose some TelVar in IC.

You may not like PvP. But don't go trying to make out that all PvErs hate PvP. They don't, I know many who now PvP because of Midyear Mayhem, it's a good introduction to PvP.

I'm looking forward to it, a good chance to get another PvP rank or 2, I'll preload IC quests so I can spend less time doing them and more doing PvP, you know fighting over keeps, outposts, bridges, scrolls and occasionally towns.

xDeusEJRx · February 2022

Vrienda wrote: »

Also to all these people saying "Do it before the event"

Haha.

No.

Place is still swarming with enemy oneshotters even on a server where your faction is controlling all the points and your guys are too busy farming bosses to care

You make it seem like, cyrodiil is always populated, everywhere 24/7. That's just not it. Cyrodiil is a massive zone, people aren't standing in every square inch of the zone, people are at the hot zones, the keeps flagged "under attack". If it's not under attack, people are not gonna be there. That's such a huge fallacy, that cyrodiil is a hot zone 24/7, all over the place. Just stay away from objectives that people are at(under attack) and you won't find a single person.

I play in PVP solo, ALL the time, and I can't find fights unless I actively have to search for one, aka at the hot zones I mentioned. If I as a solo player have trouble finding fights, you most certainly can get by without running into anyone.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · February 2022

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Dude. Pve players have, what, 5+ events a year [snip]

[snip] Join a group, learn a thing or two about pvp and you can handle yourself ina pvp for a couple weeks.

It's twice a year. And then there's the imperial city one separately. Stop pretending PvPers are so hard done by. Ask ZOS for PvP servers if you want to gank people so much in the PvE events.

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Wow, 2 pvp events a year. You know, pvp players are forces to do pve, but not vice versa?

No sympathies, not what so ever

That is because this is a PvE game, PvP is the optional versus mode.

Vrienda · February 2022

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

You make it seem like, cyrodiil is always populated, everywhere 24/7. That's just not it. Cyrodiil is a massive zone, people aren't standing in every square inch of the zone, people are at the hot zones, the keeps flagged "under attack". If it's not under attack, people are not gonna be there. That's such a huge fallacy, that cyrodiil is a hot zone 24/7, all over the place. Just stay away from objectives that people are at(under attack) and you won't find a single person.

I play in PVP solo, ALL the time, and I can't find fights unless I actively have to search for one, aka at the hot zones I mentioned. If I as a solo player have trouble finding fights, you most certainly can get by without running into anyone.

Imperial City, not Cyrodiil. As for Cyrodiil proper there's just no point. The only really valid dailies to do there are the town/cities ones. The scouting one always seems to tell you to go to the keep furthest away and deepest in enemy territory (Which means a single death can result in way more lost time). And as you can only really stack up so many and would have to return to said towns anyway... and the quest themselves are fairly brief I might as well just wait for the event.

Youyesu · February 2022

Looks like this thread is filled with a bunch of pvpers trying lure pvers into the the IC and cyrodil for some easy ganks.

EdmondDontes · February 2022

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Dude. Pve players have, what, 5+ events a year [snip]

[snip] Join a group, learn a thing or two about pvp and you can handle yourself ina pvp for a couple weeks.

It's twice a year. And then there's the imperial city one separately. Stop pretending PvPers are so hard done by. Ask ZOS for PvP servers if you want to gank people so much in the PvE events.

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Wow, 2 pvp events a year. You know, pvp players are forces to do pve, but not vice versa?

No sympathies, not what so ever

That is because this is a PvE game, PvP is the optional versus mode.

Wrong.

ESO has always advertised itself as a PvP game with Cyrodiil three banner war as being the end game activity for ESO.

EdmondDontes · February 2022

Youyesu wrote: »

Looks like this thread is filled with a bunch of pvpers trying lure pvers into the the IC and cyrodil for some easy ganks.

It's not a trap. Nobody is out to get you. PvP is part of ESO. It says so right on the box.

It's toxic how so many PvE'rs are trying to get PvP removed from the game because they just can't abide PvP for one reason or another.

Again, PvP has always been part of ESO. There are only a couple PvP events out of about 10 events annually. And the PvP events don't even require players to participate in PvP. They just have to go to PvP zones and do PvE stuff while there, and that is what is causing this toxic outrage from some of the PvE community. :'(

CP5 · February 2022

EdmondDontes wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Dude. Pve players have, what, 5+ events a year [snip]

[snip] Join a group, learn a thing or two about pvp and you can handle yourself ina pvp for a couple weeks.

It's twice a year. And then there's the imperial city one separately. Stop pretending PvPers are so hard done by. Ask ZOS for PvP servers if you want to gank people so much in the PvE events.

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Wow, 2 pvp events a year. You know, pvp players are forces to do pve, but not vice versa?

No sympathies, not what so ever

That is because this is a PvE game, PvP is the optional versus mode.

Wrong.

ESO has always advertised itself as a PvP game with Cyrodiil three banner war as being the end game activity for ESO.

Here I am remembering some early trailers for pvp. Particularly the one scene where 2 groups of players casually jogged up to one another and started light attacking, and at the top of a tower one player approached another, who humorously turned around before the approaching player decided to do dragon leap on them. Only the finest pvp advertised here.

SammyKhajit · February 2022

These PVP events is usually when Sammy takes a break. Just log in to get the hireling materials, daily login rewards and maybe one or two endeavours if this can can be bothered

PS. This one has been doing the Jester’s Festival on PTS and the second seed raiment is very nice https://eso-hub.com/en/fashion-outfits/second-seed-raiment this one will be saving his tickets for the flower power outfit 🌸

Hvíthákarl · February 2022

Just wanted to leave this video here. I watched it some days ago and instantly thought about Midyear Mayhem and the issues discussed in this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ewlcUrIUb0

etchedpixels · February 2022

It is also a very good opportunity to level skills and get caltrops and barrier on pve toons. The battleground win is effectively defined by which team happens to have the most real PvP players on it, so you'll randomly win a fair bit when they carry you.

It's also fractionally more interesting than repairing keep walls or AFKing hoping a scroll gets taken.

AlnilamE · February 2022

Sylvermynx wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

The only absurd advice is the advice to just give up ahead of time and not even try something that's outside of your comfort zone. And sometimes you have to try something several times, in several different ways, to kind out that it isn't as awful as you had thought it would be.

But as far as I know, no one in this thread has been trying to coerce anyone into doing anything. Suggestions and advice and recommendations are not coercion.

Actually, that's not absurd advice. It doesn't take a genius to read threads where in this game people have been ganked in a pvp event because they're just wanting tickets. Many people don't know what's going to happen ahead of time - because they simply don't understand (as they're new) that if you aren't paying attention, you WILL be killed by someone who's loving the AP from killing an op fac character.

Just because you find pvp fun for the most part doesn't mean others do - especially those who are fairly new (eh, the OP in this thread isn't) and actually haven't much of a clue.

Cannon fodder as it were.

Again, you can do scouting quests, where you are very unlikely to meet anyone. Or the Fighter's Guild bounties.

And you can do them on multiple characters before the event even starts. And then safely hand in one quest per day in the home base if you don't want to risk PvP.

Nope, I personally will not need to do any of that, and I won't. I'm SO done with pvp. You do you, and I'll do me. Which is not setting foot into Cyro or IC outside of the DC bases when I need dawn prism or hakeijo on my mains.

Sorry, I didn't mean you specifically. I just meant in general. Dying is part of being in Cyrodiil and IC, and it's really not a big deal. But if people want to skip the PvP event, that's fine.

What's not fine is wanting to skip the event and still getting the tickets without engaging in the content (or spending crowns on tickets)

washbern · February 2022

People should really be more considerate of others. The whole I don't pvp so make something special for me excuse is quite absurd. Why should PvPers be subjected to all pve events a d can't have anything just for themselves? I don't pvp and I think that this event is a great idea. If you don't want to pvp, don't. No one is forcing you. Make up the tickets next event.

Sheezabeast · February 2022

It's like people forget that they add extra campaigns for the event....the quest towns are spread out...if you pick a hotbed one like Cropsford, you deserve to get farmed, Pick a better town. Last year in the town I picked, I never saw another enemy player, except in the same delve, doing the delve quest, and we mutually ignored each other.

renne · February 2022

Another PvP event, another thread from PvErs complaining that they shouldn't have to do anything in a PvP zone to get the tickets and ignoring literally all the suggestions on how to ez clap it that are made in abundance every single time MYM rolls around.

Just don't do it. It's that easy. If existing in a PvP zone stresses you out just That Much, don't do the event. ZOS reduced the ticket requirements for fragments and the number of fragments required, so you don't NEED to do the event.

"But I want [x, y or z] from the event!"

Well, then. You know what you have to do.

What the event requires.

Which isn't even to do PvP, god people don't even realise how easy they have it. It's a PvP event that you don't even have to do PvP to get the rewards from! But everyone is so het up and wild about the risk of being PvP'd that they can't even see that. I've done the event every time since I started in the game and there have been numerous times where I didn't get PvP'd.

People aren't making all these suggestions on how to do the event without getting PvP'd thinking "haha, these stupid PvErs will totally fall for it!" they're making these suggestions because they WORK.

If you don't want to take the suggestions and would rather just complain about the two PvP-adjacent events (they're not even PvP events because you don't HAVE to do PvP to do them) a year when literally every other event caters specifically to you, I don't know what to say. Just don't do the event.

Indigogo · February 2022

Vrienda wrote: »

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

You make it seem like, cyrodiil is always populated, everywhere 24/7. That's just not it. Cyrodiil is a massive zone, people aren't standing in every square inch of the zone, people are at the hot zones, the keeps flagged "under attack". If it's not under attack, people are not gonna be there. That's such a huge fallacy, that cyrodiil is a hot zone 24/7, all over the place. Just stay away from objectives that people are at(under attack) and you won't find a single person.

I play in PVP solo, ALL the time, and I can't find fights unless I actively have to search for one, aka at the hot zones I mentioned. If I as a solo player have trouble finding fights, you most certainly can get by without running into anyone.

Imperial City, not Cyrodiil. As for Cyrodiil proper there's just no point. The only really valid dailies to do there are the town/cities ones. The scouting one always seems to tell you to go to the keep furthest away and deepest in enemy territory (Which means a single death can result in way more lost time). And as you can only really stack up so many and would have to return to said towns anyway... and the quest themselves are fairly brief I might as well just wait for the event.

This is the mindset of someone trying to self sabotage and make the worst happen so you can validate your fears and prove to everyone you're right.

Scouting is 100% the easiest and safest way of getting tickets without pvp.

There have been so many comments now on the best way to do them, even how to cheese a quest with a shorter journey.
I encourage everyone who suffers overwhelming fear about being in a pvp zone to go back and read them.

LonePirate · February 2022

For those who very much despise PVP but still want the event tickets each day, there are ways to obtain them with almost no actual PVP.

For the Imperial City, pick up the daily Arena quest and simply kill enemies from your faction's platform without having to jump down. There should be at least two Daedra you can kill from the platform with a ranged weapon or spell. Sure, you will need to wait for them to respawn but you can complete the quest in 15-20 minutes, maybe sooner if there is enough traffic to speed up the mob respawns.

For Cyrodiil, your best bets are either the Scouting Mission quest or the Fighters Guild bounty quests. For the Scouting Missions, use the transitus shrine to port to the closest location and then hop on your mount and ride to the specified objective. Crouch, let your character finish the quest and then either ride back or sacrifice yourself to some guards or mobs. You can use a keep recall stone as well if you prefer. For the Fighters Guild bounty quests, there are four different ones. Just pick up one, ride to a location where the bounty targets are known to spawn, kill 10 of them and then return to the tavern to collect your bounty. Each faction has a spawn point for each mob type that is not far from a home keep or outpost and most of these locations are not in heavily traveled areas of the map. Of course, if your faction has transitus access to Bruma, Cropsford or Vlastarus, you can knock out one of the town quests pretty quickly instead.

rbfrgsp · February 2022

They should definitely make the tickets drop from PvP-specific activities only during this event. In particular, one ticket should only drop from the Cyrodiil Conquest mission board, which is a non-repeatable, campaign objectives-orientated quest.

etchedpixels · February 2022

LonePirate wrote: »

. For the Scouting Missions, use the transitus shrine to port to the closest location and then hop on your mount and ride to the specified location. Crouch, let your character finish the quest and then either ride back or sacrifice yourself to some guards or mobs.

That's far too much effort. Go into the campaign whose map you own the least of, take the quest, go into the one you own most of and you'll usually be able to port directly to that keep, scout a resource you already own and port straight back.

If you get a hard one just repeat the exercise on a different toon.

draigwyrdd · February 2022

The point of this event is to get people to engage with PVP. A PVE version of this event is a nonsense proposition - it's like if the Undaunted event gave you tickets for overland questing.

Xandreia_ · February 2022

Pvp get 2 events a year in a neglected zone, pvers get over 15 events a year, apparently us pvpers are not allowed to have our events without being left to feel like again we don't matter, pvers really need to let it go, let us have our double ap and either don't participate or suck it up 🤷‍♀️

Vrienda · February 2022

Xandreia_ wrote: »

Pvp get 2 events a year in a neglected zone, pvers get over 15 events a year, apparently us pvpers are not allowed to have our events without being left to feel like again we don't matter, pvers really need to let it go, let us have our double ap and either don't participate or suck it up 🤷‍♀️

I was never trying to take your AP from you... I just wanted more options.

Vrienda · February 2022

Xandreia_ wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

Xandreia_ wrote: »

Pvp get 2 events a year in a neglected zone, pvers get over 15 events a year, apparently us pvpers are not allowed to have our events without being left to feel like again we don't matter, pvers really need to let it go, let us have our double ap and either don't participate or suck it up 🤷‍♀️

I was never trying to take your AP from you... I just wanted more options.

[snip]

I mean that's fine with me? Though doing an IC quest for this event and juggling a few swords infront of a castle for jesters festival are hardly comparable in terms of how out of sync with a PvEr and PvPer's gameplay styles are.

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TequilaFire · February 2022

Routinely I take my new characters at level 10 into Vet Cyro to clear all the Cyro PvE achievements to level them up. If I stay out of the straight line travel lanes between the keeps, sneak and keep my head on a swivel rarely do I encounter other players. Now if it can be done at level 10 I am sure you can pull it off with a fully leveled character.

Sarannah · February 2022

I always dislike PvP events, but usually had fun in the objective BG's. And did those for the tickets. So this time I really do not understand why ZOS would do a PvP event while the BG queue is still broken(DM only). Mistake or intentional?

This entire event is only counterproductive to PvP as a whole, because feeding players to the experienced high tier PvP crowd, is not going to get more players to stick with PvP. It does the exact opposite, and will chase more players away from PvP completely. While giving all those players a horrible event/game experience. Not a smart move.

xDeusEJRx · February 2022

Sarannah wrote: »

I always dislike PvP events, but usually had fun in the objective BG's. And did those for the tickets. So this time I really do not understand why ZOS would do a PvP event while the BG queue is still broken(DM only). Mistake or intentional?

This entire event is only counterproductive to PvP as a whole, because feeding players to the experienced high tier PvP crowd, is not going to get more players to stick with PvP. It does the exact opposite, and will chase more players away from PvP completely. While giving all those players a horrible event/game experience. Not a smart move.

The battleground queues are not broken, they just work differently to how they did before. The main reason most game modes are TDM is because most people are queued to play "Solo death match" and "group deathmatch only" not "solo random" or "group random". And since players queued for random, they can get put into any gamemode, but the thing is most people in BGs are queued for deathmatch games and since they're queued for TDM games the only games there will be to fill are TDM games and therefore you get matched with them since "TDM" is apart of "random battleground"

It's totally intentional, its not because its broken, it's because more people are queued for TDM games than random games. It can't put you into a random flag game or capture the flag, if no one's queued to play those game modes.

How that differs from before is, there was no specific queue. It was truly random ALL the time, which means everyone was queuing for every game mode, but now with specific queues, people are mostly queuing to play TDM and nothing else, and therefore most queue pops will be TDM since that's what the majority want to play.

Xandreia_ · February 2022

It's literally 4 weeks out of the year why is it so hard to let others have fun 😂

Vrienda · February 2022

Xandreia_ wrote: »

It's literally 4 weeks out of the year why is it so hard to let others have fun 😂

I'm not saying you can't have your fun

Xandreia_ · February 2022

No that's exactly what you're saying lol one of the reasons pvpers love this event is not only because twice a year for 2 weeks at time we actually get an event that caters to us, but we get to fight people that don't usually go into pvp, it's almost like zos give us a gift like "here kill these squishys" we literally get nothing! Now you guys can complain or want a pve instance all you like but zos won't do it and if they do it would cause more of a pve/pvp divide, segregating the 2 communities even more. The relationship between the devs and pvp community is already extremely fragile, can you imagine the uproar if pve players get catered to in a pvp event when we don't get catered to in a game that was first marketed towards pvp? I understand it must me rough going in there solo in pve gear, but there's an easy fix, join a zerg. If you guys actually attempted to pvp and have fun you never know, you might enjoy it