MorninStar wrote: »

We have 2 pvp events a year and as much as I dislike pvp, I do them. Yes they can be frustrating but, they can also be fun. You learn a few things well in there like how to sneak better and stay away from the enemy or you learn how to die with grace and enjoy the fact that this is only a game. Don't complain about it just do it and enjoy it.

No, you don't learn how to sneak better or hide or stay away from the enemy players. Most people, even if noobs in ESO's PvP, have some experience from PvP in other games - and sneaking and hiding and staying away from enemy players is pretty much the same from game to game. And people know that you don't complete PvE quests by just sneaking and hiding. Because at some point you have to do the actual quests!

You probably don't do any quests yourself because you would then know that you can't sneak or hide when you are engaged in a combat with quest NPCs in the middle of a major street and an enemy player going pass notices, stops, makes sure you are not close to getting the NPCs down yet and so attacks you and kills you with the NPCs and then runs away.

Assuming they haven't miscalculated, at which point they will just run away when they notice that their precious Tel Var stones might be in danger. Sometimes they won't get away, but most of the time they don't die. These people won't take the same level of risks - if they can avoid it - which they preach others should take during this event.

And when it comes to you, you can die as much grace as you want yourself, but don't demand that others spent their time being ganked while they do PvE quests and then be happy about it.

I don't think you understand that yes, this is only a game and people have lives outside it, and because they have those lives they really don't have endless hours to be spent to be ganked and be happy and joyful about it.

No, they leave the PvP areas.

That's how PvP withers outside the core PvPers and the battlegrounds, where the same PvP enthusiasts will still kill you, but you always get something as a reward after a quick game, no matter how badly you did. Always reward an effort, even if its a terrible effort - that is something that Zenimax might want to consider to revive the PvP zones.

If losers would get nothing in battlegrounds, they too would be in the same state as the PvP zones.

It's not the lag that keeps the PvP zones almost empty most of the time. It's the open PvP as it is. If a great chunk of the current players would want, but couldn't do them well because of the lag, then lag would have been given much bigger priority a long time ago, some decent solutions would have quite possibly found and there would have been new PvP zones where issues could have been mitigated from the start, based on lessons learned.

But no. Why would they bother when the open PvP itself is the problem?

colossalvoids wrote: »

But actually social and trading guilds are always running Molag runs in sewers or actual quest groups, so idk might want to join a decent one.

I'm in very friendly, active social and trading guilds and nobody, literally nobody, ever does IC based on chats and Discord. There are people doing Cyrodiil, few very enthusiastically, but their main goal is Emperorship. I wish them good. When it comes to my characters in Cyrodiil, I'm happy with harvesting, doing PvE quests, scouting and occasionally attacking or defending a fort when there is action near me. Most of the time, it's peaceful and tranquil.

(Really, PvE players should do Cyrodiil outside events, on quiet campaigns, but avoid IC like... sewers.)

The only absurd advice is the advice to just give up ahead of time and not even try something that's outside of your comfort zone. And sometimes you have to try something several times, in several different ways, to kind out that it isn't as awful as you had thought it would be.

But as far as I know, no one in this thread has been trying to coerce anyone into doing anything. Suggestions and advice and recommendations are not coercion.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

The only absurd advice is the advice to just give up ahead of time and not even try something that's outside of your comfort zone.

Comfort zone? This is a video game, not gym or art. ESO is entertainment. A lot of people don't find pvp entertaining.

And sometimes you have to try something several times, in several different ways, to kind out that it isn't as awful as you had thought it would be.

No, you really don't have to do that in this case. If the idea of pvp in general doesn't appeal to you, it's fine to ignore it.

But as far as I know, no one in this thread has been trying to coerce anyone into doing anything. Suggestions and advice and recommendations are not coercion.

I didn't say that. I meant you shouldn't let yourself get fomo'd with tickets if you don't like pvp.

Just the simple effort of speccing your toon for PVP (you can do this without mythics and other grindy gear) is enough to give some survivability during the PVP activities in this event. Many fail to prepare accordingly and get upset when they get completely bodied by pvpers.

Eric_Prince wrote: »

PvPers don't complain when they have to do Undaunted celebration. They don't create threads like "Let us kill team members in dungeons and receive tickets for that!!1111".

I was going to say something like, "as long as there's a pvp alternative whenever there's a pve event." But I actually like this idea.

Segregating the two player bases isn't good for the long term health of the game. Combining pve and pvp activities together like this would be awesome! Would spice up RNDs for sure.

Vrienda wrote: »

Probably because those bosses are in a PvP zone where you'll have to fight both them and other players. [snip]

I've participated in the event plenty of times before and almost always it turns to be:
- IC: zerg horde farming bossess in their side of sewers for style pages (+ one large group outnumbering the middle and grinding skin from molag)
- Cyro: zerg horde running back and forth capturing resources and keeps

So yes, I think that there is not a whole lot of pvp in this pvp event. Call that being ignorant if you want.

I'm not a PVPer myself, I take a midyear mayhem as an opportunity to max alliance skill lines on my alt toons + grind some AP for pots/golden vendor stuff, don't care about Cyro/BGs/IC outside of the events. I just don't understand why people complain and ask for alternatives when there are on average 10 PVE and 2 PVP events per year (checked in this handy event calendar). Shouldn't PVPers be the ones complaining each month when yet another PVE event gets announced? Because ZOS clearly favors PVE community (events, content, *cough* bugfixes *cough* etc).

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Vrienda wrote: »

Also to all these people saying "Do it before the event"

Haha.

No.

Place is still swarming with enemy oneshotters even on a server where your faction is controlling all the points and your guys are too busy farming bosses to care

If you get “one-shot” these days, it’s because your health and/or armor is far too low. A “one-combo” kill is more common but, speaking as a NB main in PvP, there are PLENTY of ways to avoid even that. Just like PvE end game content, PvP takes time, practice, and a little knowledge.

Sylvermynx wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

The only absurd advice is the advice to just give up ahead of time and not even try something that's outside of your comfort zone. And sometimes you have to try something several times, in several different ways, to kind out that it isn't as awful as you had thought it would be.

But as far as I know, no one in this thread has been trying to coerce anyone into doing anything. Suggestions and advice and recommendations are not coercion.

Actually, that's not absurd advice. It doesn't take a genius to read threads where in this game people have been ganked in a pvp event because they're just wanting tickets. Many people don't know what's going to happen ahead of time - because they simply don't understand (as they're new) that if you aren't paying attention, you WILL be killed by someone who's loving the AP from killing an op fac character.

Just because you find pvp fun for the most part doesn't mean others do - especially those who are fairly new (eh, the OP in this thread isn't) and actually haven't much of a clue.

Cannon fodder as it were.

Again, you can do scouting quests, where you are very unlikely to meet anyone. Or the Fighter's Guild bounties.

And you can do them on multiple characters before the event even starts. And then safely hand in one quest per day in the home base if you don't want to risk PvP.

Vrienda wrote: »

Also to all these people saying "Do it before the event"

Haha.

No.

Place is still swarming with enemy oneshotters even on a server where your faction is controlling all the points and your guys are too busy farming bosses to care

Then you rez and either go to a different district or just continue where you left off. Practice not caring. It's a useful skill.

The_Lex wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

Also to all these people saying "Do it before the event"

Haha.

No.

Place is still swarming with enemy oneshotters even on a server where your faction is controlling all the points and your guys are too busy farming bosses to care

If you get “one-shot” these days, it’s because your health and/or armor is far too low. A “one-combo” kill is more common but, speaking as a NB main in PvP, there are PLENTY of ways to avoid even that. Just like PvE end game content, PvP takes time, practice, and a little knowledge.

My characters in IC were wearing their PvE gear, so very very squishy. But that was my choice and I didn't complain.

I get all the event tickets every time ZOS runs the Mayhem event. Typically, by doing the IC Arena Daily, Cyrodiil town quest or Cyrodiil scouting quest, with one of my PvE Alts wearing their PvE build, on the emptiest campaign I can find.

This time I am doing IC daily and Cyrodiil daily ahead of time on multiple alts. I don't enjoy the Imperial City while it is crowded with gankers and griefers during the Mayhem event, so I won't be going there.

I would be happier if ZOS did widen the scope of events to be more inclusive of the many different activities people enjoy when playing. The many PVE events are not particularly difficult to a PVP focused player, but not necessarily all that interesting to participate in for them. As a mostly PVE player, and one who has been with this game for over half a decade now, none of the events are all that interesting, but I feel compelled to earn tickets and unlock whatever rewards I want, while performing tasks that are generally not what I want to be doing. It’s getting bad enough, with daily and weekly login tasks already preying upon my obsessive compulsive nature, frequent events feel like another unwelcome hassle to me. The only event I don’t dislike is the Anniversary, and all you have to do there is summon a cake each day.

I would like there to be many more ways for players to earn tickets in every event, and from both PVE and PVP sources. This would also have the effect of spreading people out more, because, honestly, when there are many players congregating in one area, the game becomes far less fun to play, when it should be the opposite. It’s not built for it. If the original designers had crafted zones that scaled with the number of players in the area, this could have led to exciting epic battles, but instead results in masses of players performing laughable annihilations of world bosses in seconds or less, with five minute waits while twiddling their thumbs in between.

Adding some special features to the, frankly, tired PVP modes during each event would help to keep that part of the game a little more interesting throughout the year. Aside from some changes to sections of the map, and the evolution of gear and skill choices over time, PVP doesn’t look massively different from when I first went to Cyrodiil years ago. Imagine a Call of Duty game with only one map to play, even if that map was quite large, it’s still the same map every time. Even Battlegrounds is ancient now.

Vrienda wrote: »

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

No you cannot have a pve alternative. The great thing about this event is there is tons of fresh meat to reap for ap. If zos lets you hide on the gold coast that hurts the event for the people its meant for.

Yeah the fact that this event is meant for people like that is kinda the problem. It means tons of people have a bad experience for the sake of those who just want easy kills. That's bad design and why I for one will never have an interest in PvP.

Is it bad design that every single event that awards event tickets doesn't have an option to get them via PvP activities?

Your complaint is this one event you have to go to cyrodiil, but you have no sympathy for all the people who don't want to PvE to get their tickets for essentially every other event ESO offers. You appear to be upset that you are only getting your way 90% of the time.

Again, you're comparing going to a pvp zone and putting up with ganking with pressing 'e' infront of a castle to juggle swords. It's not like doing the PvE zones is particularly strenuous for PvPers. Unlike PvErs in a zone full of PvP build veterans.

But you do not have to do PvP for this event to get 2 tickets a day. It is easy to avoid PvP for the Cyrodiil tickets as I already explained.

My previous suggestion pretty much makes this a non-issue.

I just don't bother when this event is on.

As primarily a PvE player, I am completely against this. It’s a event that bolsters the population in these PvP zones and makes it a lot of fun to change things up. It should continue to be strictly a PvP event.