Rapid Regeneration...

Abyssmol · February 2022

It's time, again, to ask ZOS to change Rapid Regen to a self heal (reason 36). If ZOS is serious about improving performance in Cyrodiil, this simple skill change would help some! Righ now, every solo, small group, large group player -everyone - is using radiating Regen for HoT heals because Rapid regen does not heal the caster half the time. If Rapid Regen is changed to self heal, I guarantee that most solo players would start using the skill again. How does this change would improve performance? Rapid regen as a self heal would not force the server to check the area for players to heal. Hence, less calculations the server would have to do.

A serious healer would never use Rapid Regen to heal a group. I don't understand ZOS reluctance to change the skill! Well, more than likely, I would be writing on the next PTS (reason 37) why Rapid Regen should become a self heal. Cheers!

Arkew · February 2022

restoration staff is team oriented weapon who are oriented to trade one offensive weapon versus one who can help your team to stay alive except if you speak of selfish staff.

xDeusEJRx · February 2022

Arkew wrote: »

restoration staff is team oriented weapon who are oriented to trade one offensive weapon versus one who can help your team to stay alive except if you speak of selfish staff.

But healers aren't gonna use rapid regen because rapid regen only heals one person which is selfish as you say, healers are gonna use the multi-target morph. No reason to not make rapid regen a self-heal. People using rapid regen are trying to heal themselves, not a group. It's silly how vigor got this same treatment because it's strong heal can also AOE heal but rapid regen doesn't. The intent was so not everyone is a pseudo-healer but every mag class is a pseudo healer because of this

ketsparrowhawk · February 2022

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

Arkew wrote: »

restoration staff is team oriented weapon who are oriented to trade one offensive weapon versus one who can help your team to stay alive except if you speak of selfish staff.

But healers aren't gonna use rapid regen because rapid regen only heals one person which is selfish as you say, healers are gonna use the multi-target morph. No reason to not make rapid regen a self-heal. People using rapid regen are trying to heal themselves, not a group. It's silly how vigor got this same treatment because it's strong heal can also AOE heal but rapid regen doesn't. The intent was so not everyone is a pseudo-healer but every mag class is a pseudo healer because of this

Disagree. I like Rapid Regen as it is. If you only have the bar space for 1-2 healing abilities, Rapid is about the best option available. My magblade for example just slots Rapid and the Resto ult and is an effective healer with just that. And I still have plenty of bar space for the other stuff I want/need. Can heal yourself or an ally. It uses smart targeting just like other healing abilities (breath of life, etc). It's perfect.

Vigor is cheap and will scale with your highest offensive stats next update. Just use that if you want a selfish heal. Pls leave Rapid as-is.

Imo every mag class should be a part-time healer. Otherwise better off as a stam spec.

Foto1 · February 2022

i use Rapid Regen

rauyran · February 2022

Rapid Regen should apply new named buff Major Regeneration which would ensure it doesn't stack.

TequilaFire · February 2022

Just ask your enemies to stand in front of you and die.
Would also improve performance.
Please quit asking for more butchering of this game.

Vevvev · February 2022

If you have lower HP than everyone else it actually will target you due to the smart healing mechanics of this game. I used Rapid Regeneration for a long time, switched to Radiating Regeneration because of the targeting issue, but after a while I'm back with Rapid Regeneration due to just how good it is. Whatever it touches is going to survive and then I combine it with more reliable heals. If I'm alone it's a life saver, but in large groups I'm not wholly dependent on it.

xDeusEJRx · February 2022

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

Arkew wrote: »

restoration staff is team oriented weapon who are oriented to trade one offensive weapon versus one who can help your team to stay alive except if you speak of selfish staff.

But healers aren't gonna use rapid regen because rapid regen only heals one person which is selfish as you say, healers are gonna use the multi-target morph. No reason to not make rapid regen a self-heal. People using rapid regen are trying to heal themselves, not a group. It's silly how vigor got this same treatment because it's strong heal can also AOE heal but rapid regen doesn't. The intent was so not everyone is a pseudo-healer but every mag class is a pseudo healer because of this

Disagree. I like Rapid Regen as it is. If you only have the bar space for 1-2 healing abilities, Rapid is about the best option available. My magblade for example just slots Rapid and the Resto ult and is an effective healer with just that. And I still have plenty of bar space for the other stuff I want/need. Can heal yourself or an ally. It uses smart targeting just like other healing abilities (breath of life, etc). It's perfect.

Vigor is cheap and will scale with your highest offensive stats next update. Just use that if you want a selfish heal. Pls leave Rapid as-is.

Imo every mag class should be a part-time healer. Otherwise better off as a stam spec.

I disagree that every mag class "should" be a healer. That's quite literally the problem with the meta right now. No one needs dedicated healers because everyone is already pseudo-heals. It's the exact same problem with the OG vigor stacking on allies, it doesn't make sense for RR to function the same was as OG vigor did when they changed it because stam toons were being overtuned DPS-healers, it's just contradictory because every mag character is a DPS-healer as well. Then you toss on an actual healer onto a group of pseudo-healers and you can't kill anything because everyone has 5 of the same cross heals on each other, and it gets worse with classes with multiple cross heals like Necros and Templars.

It quite literally only benefits people with larger groups with magic compositions. If I started a zerg of all magplars and necros running the same back bar of cross heals, we'd never die, that along with our burst heals of course.

ketsparrowhawk · February 2022

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

Arkew wrote: »

restoration staff is team oriented weapon who are oriented to trade one offensive weapon versus one who can help your team to stay alive except if you speak of selfish staff.

But healers aren't gonna use rapid regen because rapid regen only heals one person which is selfish as you say, healers are gonna use the multi-target morph. No reason to not make rapid regen a self-heal. People using rapid regen are trying to heal themselves, not a group. It's silly how vigor got this same treatment because it's strong heal can also AOE heal but rapid regen doesn't. The intent was so not everyone is a pseudo-healer but every mag class is a pseudo healer because of this

Disagree. I like Rapid Regen as it is. If you only have the bar space for 1-2 healing abilities, Rapid is about the best option available. My magblade for example just slots Rapid and the Resto ult and is an effective healer with just that. And I still have plenty of bar space for the other stuff I want/need. Can heal yourself or an ally. It uses smart targeting just like other healing abilities (breath of life, etc). It's perfect.

Vigor is cheap and will scale with your highest offensive stats next update. Just use that if you want a selfish heal. Pls leave Rapid as-is.

Imo every mag class should be a part-time healer. Otherwise better off as a stam spec.

I disagree that every mag class "should" be a healer. That's quite literally the problem with the meta right now. No one needs dedicated healers because everyone is already pseudo-heals. It's the exact same problem with the OG vigor stacking on allies, it doesn't make sense for RR to function the same was as OG vigor did when they changed it because stam toons were being overtuned DPS-healers, it's just contradictory because every mag character is a DPS-healer as well. Then you toss on an actual healer onto a group of pseudo-healers and you can't kill anything because everyone has 5 of the same cross heals on each other, and it gets worse with classes with multiple cross heals like Necros and Templars.

It quite literally only benefits people with larger groups with magic compositions. If I started a zerg of all magplars and necros running the same back bar of cross heals, we'd never die, that along with our burst heals of course.

Imo that’s the decision you should be making with mag vs stam. More heals vs more damage. It’s all topsy turvy next update though ofc.

Kartalin · February 2022

The good news is that magicka builds should be able to run resolving vigor next update if I’m understanding things correctly. That would maybe satisfy OP as an alternative to self only rapid regen? It’s not even attached to a particular weapon.

J18696 · February 2022

Kartalin wrote: »

The good news is that magicka builds should be able to run resolving vigor next update if I’m understanding things correctly. That would maybe satisfy OP as an alternative to self only rapid regen? It’s not even attached to a particular weapon.

Only class skills scale off highest stat not alliance war guild or weapon

Arunei · February 2022

Rapid Regen doesn't cost all that much to use a few times and ensure everyone gets it, in a smaller group at least. Most people who who will be running it though, so unless you're the only healer in the group, you likely won't be the only one using it. It's a strong immediate heal and a nice HoT; the only thing about it (and other HoTs that stack I suppose) is that it should have refresh when it hits a person who's already got it, rather than stacking.

Edit: Whoops misread and got Rapid Regen and Radiating Regen mixed up, don't mind me I just can't reading comprehension.

Kartalin · February 2022

J18696 wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

The good news is that magicka builds should be able to run resolving vigor next update if I’m understanding things correctly. That would maybe satisfy OP as an alternative to self only rapid regen? It’s not even attached to a particular weapon.

Only class skills scale off highest stat not alliance war guild or weapon

That's a shame then because I think they could have solved this problem for everyone.

Hope all is well, haven't seen you out in Cyro in forever, probably since I only play Ravenwatch nowadays.

ketsparrowhawk · February 2022

J18696 wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

The good news is that magicka builds should be able to run resolving vigor next update if I’m understanding things correctly. That would maybe satisfy OP as an alternative to self only rapid regen? It’s not even attached to a particular weapon.

Only class skills scale off highest stat not alliance war guild or weapon

I don't think that's true. From the notes:

Player abilities that scale with your offensive stats, such as Weapon Damage and Max Stamina, will now dynamically scale with the highest of your offensive stats.

Player abilities. Not class abilities.

VarisVaris · February 2022

J18696 wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

The good news is that magicka builds should be able to run resolving vigor next update if I’m understanding things correctly. That would maybe satisfy OP as an alternative to self only rapid regen? It’s not even attached to a particular weapon.

Only class skills scale off highest stat not alliance war guild or weapon

Well that's just completely wrong, all skills scale with the highest stats now except for the few exceptions mentioned in the patch notes.

Please do not spread false information.

J18696 · February 2022

Reguardless if it does or dosnt the issue with rapid regen isn't scaling it's letting people stack 10 of them on eachother and have stupid healing the skill by itself isn't a issue I dont know where the idea comes from that people are not using this in solo because literally nearly everyone is using it in all forms of pvp

xylena_lazarow · February 2022

J18696 wrote: »

Reguardless if it does or dosnt the issue with rapid regen isn't scaling it's letting people stack 10 of them on eachother and have stupid healing the skill by itself isn't a issue I dont know where the idea comes from that people are not using this in solo because literally nearly everyone is using it in all forms of pvp

For real, one tank is at most gonna be annoying for a minute then get zerged down, whereas group mass heal stacking breaks the game, renders large scale PvP completely pointless, and leads to a variety of toxic gameplay patterns.

Amottica · February 2022

The rStaff seems to be designed specifically for healing groups, not as a solo weapon, so it does not seem to fit to make it's skills into solo skills.

Also, one item does not play a major role in the performance issues. It is highly doubtful that such a change would bring about a noticeable change in performance which eliminates that justification.

Further, I have seen organized groups fighting each other end up with one being the victor. Granted, they were long fights but it was due to both teams having skilled players and good leadership, The only reason the battle lasted as long as it did is that the teams were balanced. This demonstrates that large-scale PvP works on live.

vesselwiththepestle · February 2022

I would love to get Rapid Regen as solo heal! We already have the unmorphed version of the skill as "heal yourself or one other person" ability.